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Post-Hell Christianity And Other Questions Of The Afterlife

First Posted: 07/15/2011 7:40 pm Updated: 09/14/2011 5:12 am

By Kim Lawton
Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (RNS) For millennia, people have been trying to imagine what happens after death. Is there an afterlife, a heaven? Who gets in? And what happens to those who don't?

Books trying to provide answers to these age-old questions continue to be best-sellers, and some, like "Love Wins" by Michigan megachurch pastor Rob Bell, have ignited intense debate, especially among evangelical Christians.

"A lot of people, the conception they were handed of the Christian faith is that you go around making judgments: So-and-so we know for sure is burning forever in the place," Bell told Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly. "You don't know that. That's speculation."

According to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, an overwhelming majority of Americans believe in life after death. Some 74 percent believe in heaven and almost 60 percent believe in hell. The majority of Americans also believe that many religions can lead to eternal life. Evangelicals, though, are more likely to say that theirs is the one true faith that leads to eternal life.

Mary Vanden Berg, an assistant professor of systematic theology at Calvin Seminary here, puts it pointedly: "There is one sure way to know that you will spend eternal life with God, in the presence of God, and that is through faith in Jesus Christ."

Bell offers a more expansive view. He's pastor of the nondenominational Mars Hill Bible Church just outside Grand Rapids, which has some 10,000 weekly attendees. He's also a popular speaker whose videos have a huge international following among younger evangelicals.

"For me, interacting with countless people over the years who literally are carrying around an image, 'God is not good, and God is not good because my grandmother dies and at the funeral the pastor wanted us all to know for sure that my grandmother was burning in torment forever,"' he said.

Instead, Bell points to Scriptures where Jesus says he is restoring all things and drawing all people to himself.

"And Jesus tells stories in which the key character doesn't give up on, on whatever is lost," he said. "And I think we should take that seriously. I don't know what God has in mind, but I do know that this story that Jesus tells causes us to pause before we make any of those sorts of judgments. Be very careful because God may be up to something way, way bigger than you've ever been able to comprehend."

Heaven, according to Bell, is not a faraway place but a renewal of the earth that begins here and now. He believes the spectrum of people who will be part of it is "wide and expansive." Hell, he says, is the consequence of choosing not to be part of God's massive embrace.

"God is throwing a party and everybody's invited, but if you don't want to come, you are given that option."

But Vanden Berg says the Bible is "pretty clear that when the end comes, that's the end. You don't have a second chance. Now might there be? Could God do that? I don't know of any theologian that would say God couldn't. God can do whatever God wants to do, but what does the Bible say? The biblical text doesn't indicate this at all."

Some evangelicals say Bell doesn't give enough importance to passages where biblical authors describe God's judgment toward sin.

"When [biblical writers] talk about God's great love, it's always set against the backdrop of God's righteousness, God's wrath, God's holiness," said Justin Taylor of the Gospel Coalition, an evangelical network of traditionalist scholars and pastors.

Bell says he thinks many people hear about the judgment before the love. "But if you start with the love and the judgment flows out of that, God's love is for us to flourish in God's good world. For us to flourish in God's good world, judgments have to be made. Well, that then ... puts judgment in its proper place."

Many evangelicals have been severe in their condemnation of Bell and some have even called him a heretic.

"We care about people and people who have grown up in the church, who have sung these same songs, who are being won over by somebody who has produced great videos and is a good communicator, but is ultimately teaching a false gospel," Taylor said.

Bell has "tremendous influence, especially with younger evangelicals," said the Rev. Albert Mohler Jr., of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, "and I think that's why we have to talk about this, because we're very concerned about the loss of the gospel. Not just getting a doctrine wrong, but the loss of the gospel in this."

In June, the Southern Baptist Convention voted to reaffirm its belief in the reality of hell as an "eternal, conscious punishment" for those who don't accept Jesus.

Bell says he wants people to see that Jesus' ultimate message was about love, not just avoiding hell.

"Jesus didn't come along and say, 'You don't want to be a part of that thing, do you?' No. he came along and said, 'Trust me. Something big is going down. Here's a taste."'

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galanos1
Reality & Life Is Less Then A Second Away
11:02 AM on 08/13/2011
Their is lot of discussion out and about, concerning the Wrath of God, and hell: The misunderstanding is, an overwhelming amount of souls believe God Created hell. This knowledge could not be possible, it is impossible for God to have Created hell. Yes, God does take “Wrath” upon the sinners and the evil doers as He sees fit. Each and every soul, individually, create their own hell, by not Repenting of their sins, and asking God for Forgiveness, Grace and Salvation. When we walk away from the True Light of God, and live a life of sin, and when we fail to Repent and continue a sinful existence, we walk away from the Grace, Salvation, and the Light of God. We create and fall into our own hell, a reality that exists apart from the Light and Grace of God. Hell is forever separate from the Light of God. To claim God created hell is to claim God is a sinner. Their are two realities God can never commit to. God can never sin, never. God is sinless; God could not ever have Created the world and reality for our Salvation if God was a sinner. God will never disrespect our freedom, our free will, never. Yes, there are multiple quotes in Bible Scripture that indicate the “WRATH” of God. To proclaim God created hell! Is to commit blasphemy. It’s to deny your own existence within the Word of God.
09:56 PM on 08/15/2011
i really think if people really read thier bible god did create hell but not for us the bible said it was made for lucifer and his angels that fallowed him in rebellion in heaven and it was made when god kicked him and his fallowers out of heaven. and god said we will end up there if we denided him or his son and not fallow thier word of life we will end up in hell with lucifer and his fallowers for not repenting of our sins and keeping his ten comandments and beliveing that god did send his son jesus to pay the ultimate sacerfice for our sins .and he jesus was given power over all things. i could go on and on but you all need to find out for youself and read why god sent his son in the first place maybe then you might start getting the big pitcure of what god is going to do and what his plans are for us cause he did say he does not want us to perish but have everlasting life with him .
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galanos1
Reality & Life Is Less Then A Second Away
10:19 AM on 08/16/2011
I totally disagree, I can prove to you God does not Create hell. Find any passage in the Bible and show it to me, I guarantee you I will be able to explain it to you in a way that you never understood. Please believe when I tell you, God does not Create hell, God is sinless, to claim God Created hell is to claim God is a sinner. Our world could never have been Created for our Salvation by God, if God is a sinner. Send me the passages that you believe claim such a thing.
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galanos1
Reality & Life Is Less Then A Second Away
07:47 PM on 08/17/2011
God sent His Only Son Jesus to reverse the curse of Adam and Eve. Lucifer and all the fallen angels created their own hell by waging war against God. They believe that God is contained and not Eternal.
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galanos1
Reality & Life Is Less Then A Second Away
11:02 AM on 08/13/2011
From the beginning of measured millennia The Word of God exists for our Salvation. After our passing we will instantly and immediately be in the presence of Almighty God.
The question “is there an afterlife” is irrelevant, we as humans are Born into consciousness, we unconsciously existed for ever in eternity, awaiting for our conscious live existence here in this life. The question “is there an afterlife” can only be answered with yes. Just as we existed for eternity prior to our Birth here on earth, we will exist for ever in eternity after our passing. The question “is there a Heaven, and who gets in and what happens to those who don’t” can only be answered this way. We will be judged by the Father our God, and according to our Faith in Jesus our God and good deeds we will forever, for eternity exist within the light of God. Those of us that continue to deny our Loving Father and God, and maintain the influence of satan, and continue to sin without repentance, will pass away, and forever exist apart from the Light of God.
09:57 PM on 08/15/2011
we are just to small and simple minded to even begain to understand whats in store for us for beliveing or not and what the concequnces are for one or the other. well good luck to everyone and hope at some point before its to late you decide which one you get. after all god said he gave us free will and mind to make our own choices i dont rember god shoveing it down our throught like some people do but he did say there would be conequinces for what ever we choose, its our choice. on top of that if you live a good life and die and there is no heaven or hell then you didnt lose anything but if you lived a life full of sin and die and find out there is a hell well then its to late.my jesus bless all those who belive in his name and even if you dont my he bless you anyways peace out
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galanos1
Reality & Life Is Less Then A Second Away
10:24 AM on 08/16/2011
I disagree, our mind is not small at all, our imagination and intelligence is unlimited, you keep talking like you knew you existed prior to your Birth, God Graced us with a soul so that we would not be abandoned. If God did not Create our world for our Salvation we would already have existed in live oblivion, we would have existed apart from the True Light of God, we would have existed with satan. God did not abandon us, within one second God Created our realty for our Salvation. Don't you ever forget it.
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galanos1
Reality & Life Is Less Then A Second Away
03:37 PM on 08/12/2011
Every single object whether its microscopic, or infinitely large is Created by and through God’s Grace for humankind, but unbelievers idolize only the earthly existence and false positive objects created by satan. They idolize sports players, movie stars, wealth, and a variety of unimportant idols that lead to sin. If we don’t believe in The “Everlasting Word of God”, we do not believe in sin, and if we do not believe in sin, than we are already lost to satan and his organs. We are captured by demons in an endless pit of hell, unless we emiteatly abstains from sin. Let’s stop imagining the reasons we are alive. The only thing that matters is God immediately raised us and saved us from darkness. Our eyes only see the things we hear, and we only hear the Everlasting Word of God. Whether it’s Material or not. Unbelievers have eyes, but cannot see; they have ears, but cannot hear.
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CarlIII
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01:52 AM on 08/13/2011
Fanned you for your faith. You seem to be a follower of Jesus. So maybe you can answer a question about Him that has been bothering me since I was a kid in Sunday School. If Jesus was a carpenter then what did he say when he hit his thumb with a hammer? I picture him grabbing his thumb and yelling "Me" 'Myself" "I". But I could be wrong.
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galanos1
Reality & Life Is Less Then A Second Away
07:56 AM on 08/13/2011
Jesus our Lord is Born a God Child, millions of Angels are Tending to His every need, if their ever was such a scenario, Jesus Prayed and has asked The Father for Guidance and Mercy. I personalty Believe Jesus is sinless, The life of Jesus illustrates the progressive struggle against evil. The first fight between Christ and the devil starts in Bethlehem where Christ was Born. The Angels not only declare the divinity of Jesus, but they also protect the Child from herod who wishes to destroy Him. Herod is perceived as an instrument of the devil. The belief that the devil uses instruments to achieve his goals is also emphasized of Adam’s Fall through the work of the serpent. Next, the Boy Jesus is taken to Egypt and returns to the Promised Land as a new Moses. Here there is a connection between the Old and New Testaments, showing that the New Testament is a fulfillment of the Old. The Holy persons of the Hebrew Bible are guided and inspired by the Spirit to prepare people for the coming of Christ. Christ however, is not simply inspired by the Spirit. He is Born of the Spirit. He is a Spiritual Man, able to fight on behalf of the human race for its redemption. Like Moses, he saves his people from the spiritual “land of Egypt,” that is the land of sin and death.
06:59 PM on 07/27/2011
I shall not quote any scripture, nor do I subscribe to any dogmatic beliefs. However, I have indeed had NDE (Near Death Experience). I will tell you that Love Unconditional *does* exist in the Light and through God on the other side. If anyone is interested, let me know. I must also say that I will not "fight" here either. I hold to the beliefs of Love, Light, and Peace. It is all within your very own heart my friends. Here is a video concerning NDE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNvVX-PVAB4&feature=channel_video_title
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galanos1
Reality & Life Is Less Then A Second Away
03:05 PM on 08/12/2011
You know what you get for Believing in God, Glory and Salvation. God Bless You.
08:16 PM on 08/12/2011
Hi friend! *smile* Nice to make your acquaintance here, and I appreciate your commentary, and kind words. Thank you for extending your hand in friendship to me. I am honored.

Hate and discord between peoples is like an awful disease of the Heart, Mind, Body, and Soul.

~~~~~~"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that"~~ Martin Luther King Jr.

May God Bless *you* and keep you in the Unconditional Love that is afforded to us all, and indeed within our own hearts...... IF one could just see it.... or *feel* it. Blissful Beyond words: For God's love is just that. It is very difficult to put into words~~ for it is truly *beyond* words. My NDE experience changed my life entirely.
~~I have more than the faith of a "mustard seed"~~
*smile*

I have found in my life path: "It may not be what is *wanted*, but I find that it is **ALWAYS** what is needed" for I rest in the palm of God.

Again, *IF* you are interested in any further information, I would be more than pleased.... and most humbled. ~~Thank you!

Blessings to you my friend, and to your loved ones and friends.

PS: I have a YouTube account dedicated to this .... Let me know if you are intersted.
01:34 AM on 07/27/2011
I swear there have been at least six or seven articles on the HuffPost about Rob Bell and this very book. At this point it's just promotion.
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DEiST1
02:39 PM on 07/22/2011
"Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, your dog would go in, and you would stay out."
-Mark Twain

"I swear there ain't no heaven and I pray their ain't no hell."
-Mark Twain

"You go to heaven for the weather, but hell for the company."
- Mark Twain
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uncle buc
01:32 AM on 07/24/2011
Dear Lord, let me be half the man my dog thinks I am. Amen
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galanos1
Reality & Life Is Less Then A Second Away
03:24 PM on 08/12/2011
You keep relating to mark twain, why don't you make your own assessment of reality and existence and then make decisions. Why are you depending on a person that wrote something so long ago? Did he come back from the departed and explained to you personally these idiotic comments you are reproducing? Repent and Believe your Creator and be saved!
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Mark Morlock
Justice is blind I think God is too.
04:00 PM on 08/12/2011
"Why are you depending on a person that wrote something so long ago?" The Bible is older than anything Mark Twain wrote (or said) so I pose the same question to you. "Did he come back from the departed and explained to you personally these idiotic comments you are reproducin­g?" Did Jesus personally visit you? What did he say to you when he came? "Repent and Believe your Creator and be saved!" *sigh* I know I'm arguing with a wall when I see something like this. If God created a "Tree of Knowledge" in the Garden of Eden don't you think...He/she would have expected us to eat of it eventually whether tempted by a serpent or not?
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Loki Laufeyson
If everybody had empathy, there would be no crime.
06:50 PM on 07/21/2011
bonnieb333: No, sorry. I've queried HuffPo at least five times so far - no answer. I've tried suggestions from our commenters but none have worked. The only one I haven't tried is creating a brand new account. If I learn anything useful I'll let you know.
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JDuck
Until we know the equal we'll never feel the free.
11:54 PM on 07/21/2011
Could it be your browser...?
04:10 PM on 07/21/2011
If you truly believe THIS life is all there is, and there's NOTHING after, I feel sorry for you. How sad. Are they STILL real...they've always BEEN real and will always be. You can't make something that's existed since the beginning of time "unreal" just by asking a question.
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Mark Morlock
Justice is blind I think God is too.
06:28 PM on 07/21/2011
You can if they never existed in the first place. We have no solid evidence of heaven or hell as they don't exist in this life. We only have beliefs about them and to a lot of people that's not enough.
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galanos1
Reality & Life Is Less Then A Second Away
03:33 PM on 08/12/2011
Solid evidence, all unbelievers want evidence. Do you really think we ungrateful humans are worthy to see God in all His Glory. In Christianity God Himself reveals His Mysteries. God is Triad, Father Son, and Holy Spirit. Christianity is the Golden Castle, the unshaken mountain, the solid Pillar of God’s Kingdom.The scientific method is a logical destructive explosion. The truth of technology is a systematic crisis; it produces chaos on the knowledge and is problematic to life. And it has all the characteristics of a doomed seismic and melancholic reality.
08:31 PM on 08/12/2011
Friend,
Do you discount the NDE and the persons that "come back" with stories of Love Unconditional and Peace Everlasting?
OH, and there are some of the NDE that *do* offer the "Hellish" experience. These are all available on YouTube, as well as many other venues.

Again, I would like to say that I do NOT hold fastly to any dogmatic beliefs.

With an open mind and heart, I offer you these links for your review of what lies "beyond":


http://iands.org/home.html
http://science.discovery.com/tv/through-the-wormhole/

Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman offers evidence from the scientific community. The information is there for your review, and for you to draw your own inferences.
Thanks
Much Peace, Love, and Light to YOU~~~Always
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Brittany Lock
A fellow of the strangest mind in the world
06:48 PM on 07/21/2011
If you truly believe THIS life isn't it, and there's SOMETHING after, I feel sorry for you. How sad. You go through life being told you're flawed for just being you, and you try to stop being you, and then you die and there's nothing. You don't even get the chance to realize that your life was all you had and you wasted it believing some messed up stuff.
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mrtumnas
04:01 PM on 07/29/2011
Yes, believing in treating others fairly, self sacrifice, mercy, humility, and the other concepts taught in the Bible is really messed up.
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galanos1
Reality & Life Is Less Then A Second Away
03:34 PM on 08/12/2011
Earth is the only place in existence that carries the separation between Light and darkness. For Eternity, Earth Is The Word Of God, And Is Serving Gods Purpose As Holy Ground, For Human Kind To Have The Ability To Be Saved Through The Grace Of God. Remember! Time Is Relevant Only For Our Souls To Be Saved.
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08:12 AM on 07/21/2011
Still real? Neither ever was real. Both were made up to convince the gullible and uneducated to believe the religious dogma and give the priest class the power they craved.
08:40 AM on 07/21/2011
That hardly explains the multitude of savvy, well-educated, Liberal social-democrat Canadian Christians out there.
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08:59 AM on 07/21/2011
multitude? ha! hardly, Harley. more than half the people i know are either atheist or agnostic. The ones that aren't tend to be either 1) older generations, 2) conservative, 3) american
08:48 PM on 08/12/2011
On the contrary my friend. I do not hold fastly to any dogmatic religious dogmatic beliefs. I am not gulliable, and I have a BA degree from an accredited university.

I have had an NDE. It changed my life entirely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNvVX-PVAB4

Here is only *one* link as an example. The reason I provided this particular link is because Rene Jorgenson has written two different books concerning this, as well, he is also an experienced and well renowned researcher in this particular field.

Please see my other posts on this thread concerning such. All I ask is for you to open your mind and your heart. For Love Unconditional *does* exist.

Much Peace, Love, and Light to you friend.
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09:02 PM on 08/12/2011
What you experienced is an increase of carbon dioxide in your blood.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100407192448.htm

You could use more science, and less faith.
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Newfoundlander
I'm a pessimist, an optimist with experience!
01:10 AM on 07/21/2011
Yeah, right. People are hoping for an eternity in Heaven, and don't know what to do with themselves on a rainy afternoon.

And Twain said "Heaven for the climate. but hell for the company".
08:34 AM on 07/21/2011
Sure.

Mass_murd.erers, thieves, _rap.ists, _ped.ophiles, etc.

Good company, my asz.
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Red Leaves
Well, well, what matters it? Believe that too.
11:32 AM on 07/21/2011
Not necessarily. If they repented, and accepted Jesus into their hearts, apparently most of them are up there with you, Harley. :)
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JDuck
Until we know the equal we'll never feel the free.
04:30 PM on 07/21/2011
I already have 3 brothers and most my kin in hell.

It'll be one helluva reunion...!
08:54 PM on 08/12/2011
While we are mourning the loss of our friend, others are rejoicing to meet him behind the veil. ~John Taylor

Life is eternal, and love is immortal,
and death is only a horizon;
and a horizon is nothing save the limit of our sight.
~Rossiter Worthington Raymond


~~~~~~"Dar­kness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that"~~ Martin Luther King Jr.


Much Peace, Love, and Light to you my friend.
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NYC123
07:56 PM on 07/20/2011
The Bible is clear on death – they are conscience of nothing!

A heart-felt acceptance of the shed blood of our Lord Jesus, allows each of us to bypass judgment – and go directly to a restored earth, all badness swept away, and Yahweh’s eternal hands-on reign.

Scripture tells what God has prepared:

(@1Corinthians 2:9:
But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.”

And more vivid @ Isaiah 11:6 thru 9:
6 And the wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb, and with the kid the leopard itself will lie down, and the calf and the maned young lion and the well-fed animal all together; and a mere little boy will be leader over them. 7 And the cow and the bear themselves will feed; together their young ones will lie down. And even the lion will eat straw just like the bull. 8 And the sucking child will certainly play upon the hole of the cobra; and upon the light aperture of a poisonous snake will a weaned child actually put his own hand. 9 They will not do any harm or cause any ruin in all my holy mountain; because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea.
Oneandoneandone
Professional Spitfire
02:34 PM on 07/21/2011
Scripture tells us a re-imagining, lost-in-translation version of what a bunch of dead guys wrote in a different language over a thousand years ago. If you choose to believe it, that's OK. But it's called faith (not fact) for a reason.
07:51 PM on 07/20/2011
You mean they were ever real? Was the world flat just because a lot of people believed it was?
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Wholly Guacamole
The world is my country; to do good my religion.
11:43 PM on 07/20/2011
Very logical, clear, and succinct ... I've got to fan and Fave you for that!
12:27 AM on 07/21/2011
I see you've been endowed with the incredibly rare gift of hindsight.
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pdferguson
Micro-bios? We don't need no stinkin' micro-bios!
01:54 PM on 07/21/2011
Actually, I think he's been endowed with the common gift of reason. I'm not sure how you confused the two...
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NYC123
07:41 PM on 07/20/2011
One has to be insane, and definitely does not think of God as our Father in Heaven to believe he’s going to allow his children to burn for eternity. We are made in God’s image and that is beyond the divine that is in us.

The Bible is clear on death – they are conscience of nothing. And what did Yahweh (aka Jehovah) tell Adam; “As for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.” (Genesis 2:17)! Separation from God is hell.

A heart-felt acceptance of the shed blood of our Lord Jesus, allows each of us to bypass judgment – and go directly to a restored earth, all badness swept away and Yahweh’s eternal hands-on reign.

God feeds our imaginations in scripture of what life will be like (@1Corinthians 2:9:

But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.”
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Brittany Lock
A fellow of the strangest mind in the world
12:39 AM on 07/21/2011
The Bible is pretty explicit on Hell:

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. -Matthew 13:49-50

And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. -Mark 9:43-48

The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb. -Rev. 14:10
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NYC123
05:39 PM on 07/21/2011
Our Father in Heaven, nor you or I -- created in his image, would allow people, once brothers and sisters to be tormented for life! God did not tell Adam "you are going to burn in hell." He told him paraphrasing, "you will positively die!" That language of "burning for eternity" is hyperbolic!

Question! Would your Father allow you, for any reason, to burn for life? Of cause not! Even if you are "the worse of the worse" -- your dad would beg to consider a small condo in Florida.. near a gulf course for hell. Understandable parents are like that! :))

Our Father in heaven is not vengeful -- separation from our Heavenly Father, never to to be aware of anything, or thought of again -- is enough hell for anyone!
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St Juan Bautista
11:23 AM on 07/20/2011
Kim: the after life is: when a soul believed in himself to had been created and repent for all his sin, forgive himself and his neighbors is called redemption that soul will be free from deceit, slavery and death, that soul will go back to the circle of life and to the origin of life father the creator to life for ever and ever in his domain. Now door # two no believing in one's ownself to had been created, no believing in the origin of life, no repentance no forgiveness of sin no redemption, this soul when departed from this world or die will go back to the circle of deceit, slavery and death, a brand new baby, a brand new body, a brand new deceit [life] a brand new devil's mark [name and numbers] a brand new slave sentence to death. this is the circle of death hell eternal torment, but here is the catch, this hell hole called planet earth, death is going to be set on fire, when the word said you will burn in hell it meant you will be the flames, the souls will be the fire, is each and everyone's own choice to pick one eternal life or eternal torment, the ones incapable to made this choice they are safe and saved. Father the creator will decide for them. this is for all humanity peace
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Carpe jugulum
02:40 PM on 07/20/2011
You must be a roommate of sunshine14, correct?
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St Juan Bautista
02:54 PM on 07/20/2011
Incorrect, there is no one like me on this planet, I am the one send to set the record staight, explain everything word by word if necesary, and teach humanity their two choices eternal freedom or eternal torment, play time is over, is pay back time
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St Juan Bautista
05:15 PM on 07/20/2011
Do you want to give a try? Kraut
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Well, well, what matters it? Believe that too.
11:26 PM on 07/20/2011
The problem is I can't tell whether you are a Poe, or just someone with delusions who has access to a computer with an internet connection. Either way, you are not helping your side of the argument here.
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St Juan Bautista
12:15 AM on 07/21/2011
If you can't tell the difference between those two what difference can you tell? what side, what argument? the only problem here is you do not believe in life, so this for you is like reading chinese.
09:13 AM on 07/20/2011
First off, I agree about teaching God's love and, in addition, teaching of God's judgement. I've seen a lot of people go around with a huge sign that says, "Ask me why you should go to Hell." I've also seen others that have no positive, motivating message at all. It's all Hell, Hell, Hell. These are the things that scare non-believers away from the Christian faith, because some people decide that it's a good idea to go on the street and tell people of how they are going to Hell. You should start with what is most important and what people should become more in-tuned with...God's love. Then, and only then, when they realize how great God's love is, can we explain to them the way judgement works.

In regards to people thinking there is no Hell or it's not mentioned in the Bible, here are just a few scriptures: 2 Peter 2:4-5, Luke 12:5, Mark 9:47, Matthew 25:41, and Revelation 1:18. If you'd like more scriptures, just ask. God bless you all!
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St Juan Bautista
11:43 AM on 07/20/2011
Will keep it up, if you feel your words, judgment day is here, Revelation Apocalipsis the last warning to the seven churches [humanity] peace
12:39 PM on 07/20/2011
I attend church regularly and I don't believe we've had a sermon about _Hell or eternal punishment in the last 20 yrs.
12:47 PM on 07/20/2011
I'm not here to judge anyone or any church, but please understand that Jesus spoke more about Hell than he did about Heaven. I believe that Jesus would be very selfish if He only spoke about Heaven and not let us know about our consequences if we don't believe and follow Him. So, if a pastor cares and loves their church the way Jesus loved everyone, then I believe that the pastor should speak about Judgement Day, Hell, eternal punishment, etc. out of love.
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St Juan Bautista
01:16 PM on 07/20/2011
How about a sermon about, God and the devil, heavens and earth, life and death, soul and body, good and evil, light and darkness, humanity, this is tabu in this world, one tip for you: earth, death, body, evil, darkness = HELL peace