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'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' To Remain In Place, 9th Circuit Court Rules

Dadt Repeal Court Ruling

SHAYA TAYEFE MOHAJER   07/16/11 08:23 AM ET   AP

LOS ANGELES — The military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy is back in place for the time being, with one major caveat: the government is not allowed to investigate, penalize or discharge anyone who is openly gay.

A San Francisco federal appeals court ordered the military to temporarily continue the controversial policy in an order late Friday, the court's response to a request from the Obama administration.

The order is the latest twist in the legal limbo gay service members have found themselves in as the policy is fought in the courts simultaneous to its slow dismantling by the federal government, which expects to do away with it by later this year.

In its three-page ruling, the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals said the ruling was based on new information provided by the federal government, including a declaration from Major General Steven A. Hummer, who is leading the effort to repeal the policy.

"In order to provide this court with an opportunity to consider fully the issues presented in the light of these previously undisclosed facts," the court wrote, that it would uphold an earlier order to keep the policy in place.

The court of appeals had halted "don't ask, don't tell" July 6 but the Department of Justice filed an emergency motion Thursday saying ending the policy now would pre-empt the orderly process for rolling it back, per a law signed by President Barack Obama in December.

The ruling was supported by Servicemembers United, an organization of gay and lesbian troops and veterans, but the group's executive director Alexander Nicholson voiced frustration over the slow process of dismantling "don't ask, don't tell."

"The situation with finally ending this outdated and discriminatory federal policy has become absolutely ridiculous," said Nicholson. "It is simply not right to put the men and women of our armed forces through this circus any longer."

The Department of Justice said in a statement that it asked the court to reconsider its order "to avoid short-circuiting the repeal process established by Congress during the final stages of the implementation of the repeal."

It said senior military leaders are expected to make their decision on certifying repeal within the next few weeks. In the meantime, the Justice Department said "it remains the policy of the Department of Defense not to ask service members or applicants about their sexual orientation, to treat all members with dignity and respect, and to ensure maintenance of good order and discipline."

The Justice Department noted that the Defense Department has discharged only one service member since Congress voted to repeal the policy, and that was done at the request of the service member.

Last year's ruling by the appeals court stemmed from a lawsuit filed by the Log Cabin Republicans against the Department of Justice.

The gay rights group persuaded U.S. District Court Judge Virginia Phillips to impose a worldwide injunction halting the ban last October, but the appeals court granted the government a stay, saying it wanted to give the military time to implement such a historical change.

The Log Cabin Republicans asked the court Friday to deny the motion, saying "an on-again, off-again status of the District Court's injunction benefits no one and plays havoc with the constitutional rights of American service members."

The plaintiff said while only one service member has been discharged since the congressional vote, three others have been approved for discharge by the secretary of the Air Force but the processing of those actions have been "stopped in their tracks" by the court's order. Granting the stay the government wants would allow it to act on those discharges and also allow it to put recent applicants from gay enlistees in limbo, the group said.

Justice Department attorneys said in their motion Thursday the grounds for keeping the stay in place are even stronger today than they were when this court initially entered the stay, and that disrupting the process set out by Congress would impose "significant immediate harms on the government."

The chiefs of the military services submitted their recommendations on the repeal to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta last week. As soon as the Pentagon certifies that repealing the ban will have no effect on military readiness, the military has 60 days to implement the repeal, which could happen by September.

Lt. Col. Paul Hackett, a lawyer in the Marine Corps Reserve, said military officials are ready for the change and there is no need for a delay.

"We're already taking steps to implement it," he said. "Politicians do what politicians do for whatever their political need is. It's an election year, so somebody is obviously taken that into consideration. I suspect that's what driving this."

Friday's order lays out a schedule for anticipated objections and motions from both sides: the Log Cabin Republicans have until 5 p.m. Thursday to file opposition to today's motion, and the federal government has until 5 p.m. the next day to file a reply supporting it.

The court also asks the federal government to explain by close of business Monday why the information on implementation of the Repeal Act wasn't provided sooner.

On Saturday, a contingent of active-duty troops and veterans are expected to march in San Diego's gay pride parade.

Former Navy operations specialist Sean Sala is organizing what is believed to be the first military contingent of troops and veterans to lead a gay pride parade.

Sala said the parade group wear T-shirts showing their branch of service. They will walk with two horses – one draped in an American flag and the other with the rainbow-colored Pride flag – to honor service members and those who have died for equality.

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Associated Press writers Pete Yost in Washington and Julie Watson in San Diego contributed to this report.

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LOS ANGELES — The military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy is back in place for the time being, with one major caveat: the government is not allowed to investigate, penalize or discharge anyone...
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
joemondo
Smug.
08:16 PM on 07/17/2011
A few reminders:

* More Than 100 Retired Generals and Admirals Have Called For DADT's Repeal - they are listed on the website of The Palm Center, a University of California research institute. The list is comprised of more than 100 retired generals and admirals who "support the recent comments of former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General John Shalikashvili, who has concluded that repealing the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy would not harm and would indeed help our armed forces." [palmcenter.org, accessed 12/10/10]

* Defense Secretary Robert Gates testified his full support for DADT repeal in February 2011.

* General Powell stated his support for repeal of DADT in 2010.

* General Shalikashvili called for repeal of DADT and open service by gays and lesbians. In a January 2007 New York Times op-ed.

* The Pentagon reported: "70-76% Of Service Members Said Repeal Would Have A Positive, A Mixed, Or No Effect On Aspects Of Task Cohesion." According to the Pentagon's report on Don't Ask, Don't Tell, when asked about the effect of repeal on task cohesion, personal readiness, and unit readiness, majorities of the service members surveyed said they expected a "positive, mixed, or no effect."
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
r henry
I live between concrete walls
05:56 PM on 07/17/2011
I guess I'm confused about this because 1.) they've ordered that DADT be temporarily upheld but 2.) they've ordered that it not be enforced at this time? Isn't that the same as letting it go?
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Bearthoven
Life from a bear's viewpoint
04:43 PM on 07/17/2011
"significant immediate harms on the government." What exactly does this mean? This term is so vague in meaning yet clearly implies that being gay in the military is going to damage our government. How? Are gay people going to revolt against wearing camouflage uniforms? Are gay soldiers secretly staging a coup that's going to turn all Congress people to the "dark side"? Maybe gay soldiers are going to "cure" heterosexual soldiers.

This is absolutely ridiculous. Again, the courts are enabling our government to do nothing more than set decorating to stall for time. It's time to either sh*t or get off the pot. It is time that DADT is just a footnote in our history books.
04:06 PM on 07/17/2011
these last 3 minutes of chaos are just for grandstanding

after this little storm blows by, it will be HISTORYY!!
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danny saunders
ma nishtana?
12:44 PM on 07/17/2011
LOL'Z! Major General Hummer, is leading the effort to repeal DADT? Is this ironic or what?
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
nohopepope2187
Honest † Impartial † Enlightening † Centrist
12:45 AM on 07/17/2011
Just had an epiphany (I'm serious)- I just realized why I'm so objective: I'm politically stupid in the sense that I don't force myself into a particular political party. I am enlightened.
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
joemondo
Smug.
07:38 PM on 07/17/2011
Don't confuse being ignorant with being objective.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
nohopepope2187
Honest † Impartial † Enlightening † Centrist
08:59 PM on 07/17/2011
I'm ignorant because I refuse to pick a party? I'm a better person because I don't force myself into a group of people.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
NateinMpls
12:17 AM on 07/17/2011
If you can't treat EVERY American with the same respect you don't deserve to serve our country! GTFO!
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
nohopepope2187
Honest † Impartial † Enlightening † Centrist
12:50 AM on 07/17/2011
I know some pretty bias Soldiers who are dead from defending your rights. Does not being "politically correct" null their sacrifice, or the sacrifices of their families? I agree that being objective and tolerant is optimal, but don't you dare judge who should and who should-not "DESERVE" to defend this Nation. Your comment is as bad as saying homosexuals shouldn't have the right to serve.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
AZ Stang
Life is far too important to be taken seriously.
01:03 AM on 07/17/2011
So you advocate NOT treating every American with the same respect?
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
NateinMpls
01:13 AM on 07/17/2011
Your soldier "friends" did not defend MY rights! Our rights are guaranteed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Fighting in some foreign country has NOTHING to do with our freedoms here in the US.
Justice1
get out of our house dot com
08:40 AM on 07/17/2011
so your in the military??????????????? you show no respect to others of difference as well.....there will be no DADT repeal because as soon as this is done, those in public(out of the closet) will be court marshalled......................
12:10 AM on 07/17/2011
aahh some good news....
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
tabaqui
One of those weirdo hippy-dippy types.
10:52 PM on 07/16/2011
I wonder if this is somehow tied to DOMA? If DADT is declared unconstitutional, than DOMA surely is, as well.... I'm sick of the delay, personally. End it. I'm not changing my allegiance to President Obama - I still believe he's a good man in a very complicated situation - but I'm frustrated and don't mind telling him so.

It's nice to see the military ready to go and fine with ending DADT. Good for them.
12:12 AM on 07/17/2011
military fine with ending dadt, you certainly are not in the service. dont like the flappy fool ya, oh the flappy is the name of the survey, the survey no one seen
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
tabaqui
One of those weirdo hippy-dippy types.
09:37 AM on 07/17/2011
You are...babbling. Sorry. What? '[F]lappy fool'? What?
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
nohopepope2187
Honest † Impartial † Enlightening † Centrist
12:37 AM on 07/17/2011
Legalizing gay marriage in the Military would be a huge problem AT THE PRESENT TIME. You don't know how many straight Soldiers would "mysteriously" become gay over-night just to be able to have $1000+ more a month and able to move off of post because of marriage. It would be mass fraud and the Military couldn't do anything about it because the Soldiers could claim they were just holding back because of DADT.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Scott Zwartz
12:44 AM on 07/17/2011
Dude, really? and your pix, really?
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Real Patriot
Individuals have human rights, not religions.
01:19 AM on 07/17/2011
If soldiers want to commit marriage fraud, they can do it today. DADT certainly is not in their way.
10:50 PM on 07/16/2011
Whatever these "new revelations" are, they apparently did not matter until now, and for reasons unknown are kept secret to us laymen. Obama simply has no shame.
12:13 AM on 07/17/2011
its no secret it about principles and this is nasty stuff
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Scott Zwartz
12:19 AM on 07/17/2011
Appellate courts do not accept new evidence. The court's setting Monday for the due date suggests that it is not pleased the administration's conduct.

Obama is no friend to the Gays.

When Obama stops the courts from holding DADT unconstitutional, he is depriving Gays of the inalienable and constitutional right to individual liberty. That means Gays will only have those rights which the feds and the States wish to grant or withhold. Inalienable and constitutional rights are not subject to the whim of the legislatures. Thus, the failure to obtain this judicial ruling will be horrible for Gays.

If Obama succeeds, Gays will have NO constitutional rights as only the courts can recognize constitutional rights. All Obama has to do is delay the court decision until the military finishes and then have the 9th Circuit case dismissed as moot, and Gays will have no constitutional protections. Lawrence v Texas will be distinguished away.

It is time for people to that Obama stabs everyone in the back:

1. Heatlh Care -- secret deals with Big Insurancde an Big Pharma
2. Wall street -- no reinstatement of Glass-Steagall, no prosecutions
3. Obama refused to insure home mortgages so hundreds of thousands of families fall into foreclosure
4. Attacks on Medicare
5. Social security placed on the table it
6. 88% of stimulus for uber-wealthy, 1% for middle class

Now Gays are not entitled to the inalienable and constitutional right of Liberty to serve in the armed forces.

DUMP OBAMA
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Daveh88
SLTFATF
10:45 PM on 07/16/2011
So the 9th circut overturns something republicans do is not new. But the most left-wing court in the US reinstates DADT, which was removed by a republican group that wanted gay equality, that is ironic.

Why do liberals need to shoot them selves in the foot and hinder progress so a republican group won't get credit (so they can remove it them selves and take credit). That is stupid and self defeating. Of course liberal and intelligence never went together
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SiameseTrainer
...we are Sia..mese if you don't please..
10:40 PM on 07/16/2011
General Hummer is leading the effort to repeal DADT? Nice to know someone in the Army has a sense of humour.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Tazirai
Society is not your friend.
10:39 PM on 07/16/2011
I dont even think Most of those Blaming Obama again, truly read the article, and/or understand our legal system. Sad that a majority of Americans have no clue about how the country they live in Works.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Scott Zwartz
12:26 AM on 07/17/2011
I understand how the legal system works with cases before both the California and the US Supreme courts. Yes, I won.

DADT was declared unconstitutional until Obama revived it. If Congressional action is final before the court case is final, Gays will be deprived of their inalienable and constitutional right to individual liberty. Gays will only have those rights which Congress the the individual state legislatures wish to give. In brief, if Obama succeeds, Gays will have no constitutional protections, except Lawrence v Texas and that case will be distinguished away until it disappears.

Obama knows exactly what he is doing. He is waging an active war against the Gay community to make certain there is not another case which affirms our inalienable and constitutional right to Liberty.
10:20 PM on 07/16/2011
THe ALMOST CHANGE you wanted, in order to get elected, you were snookered with
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
unitarianuniversalist
A Bernie Sanders Proud Socialist Liberal
10:02 PM on 07/16/2011
I find it hard to believe how any thinking person can be a Republican these days. They are becoming the Hate Party. They hate gays, women, minorities, immigrants (unless they have the Republican seal of approval), the working class and poor, educators, unions, the sciences; in fact, anything that smacks of what they call "elitism" (what we call professional expertise).
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Daveh88
SLTFATF
10:41 PM on 07/16/2011
But wasn't it Republicans that got DADT removed (IE the Log Cabin REPUBLICANS)?
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
unitarianuniversalist
A Bernie Sanders Proud Socialist Liberal
09:05 AM on 07/17/2011
I have to give some credit to the Log Cabin Republicans but, please, don't try to lead us to believe that the Republicans would have ended DADT if they had been in control of Congress. You know better. Thankfully, with the HELP of these gay Republicans, it was finally ended--or at least, is ending.
12:14 AM on 07/17/2011
yea thats us we dont want this nasty life style in our country for our chilren to see.