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Iraq: Obama Administration Debates Continued Troop Presence In Face Of Withdrawal Deadline

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First Posted: 07/19/11 05:46 PM ET Updated: 09/18/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration is facing a major political and strategic dilemma as it debates a continued troop presence in Iraq after this year’s deadline for withdrawal passes.

Several Iraq experts and former defense officials, including people who were involved in the formulation of the original 2008 agreement that permitted American troops to remain in Iraq, said the administration appears to be wary of the consequences of leaving Iraq in full, or with too few troops left in place – and is in the process of seeking a new pact with the Iraqi government.

"At the time of the negotiations it was made clear that it would not be the last agreement, it would be the first," said a former defense official with knowledge of the talks over the 2008 pact, known as the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA).

"Subject to conditions on the ground in 2011 there might be revisiting of the agreement -- if not as a SOFA then as part of the Strategic Framework. But there was never a contemplation that we would walk out of Iraq at end of 2011 like we did at the end of Vietnam. The SOFA was a bridge document to get us to end of 2011."

President Obama has repeatedly pledged to adhere to the original terms of the deal and withdraw all of the nearly 50,000 American troops still in Iraq by the end of the year, save, perhaps, a handful in embassies and other select locations.

But in recent months, the U.S. has let it be known that it is willing to consider staying in significant numbers -- if the government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki requests it.

In May, outgoing Secretary of Defense Robert Gates told an American think tank that he "hoped" the Iraqi government would ask the U.S. to keep troops there after the deadline.

"I hope they figure out a way to ask, and I think that the United States will be willing to say 'yes' when that time comes," Gates said.

More recently, current Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, on his first official visit to Iraq in his new post, said that the U.S. would "seriously consider" an Iraqi request to keep American troops there. In a later, more candid meeting with a group of American soldiers, Panetta expressed his exasperation that the Iraqi government was taking so long to make the request: "Dammit, make a decision," he said.

Experts on Iraq said that Maliki has indeed been cagey about whether he would make such a request, in no small part because his government’s fragile coalition is largely dependent on the support of the Sadrists, as well as Maliki’s own pledge to see American forces out at the end of 2011.

But last week, Maliki suggested after a meeting with Panetta that he expects thousands of American forces to remain in the country, pointedly using the Arabic word for "trainers," not "troops."

This distinction, as Reuters reported, might be a way of paving the way for an agreement that does not require parliamentary support, but it also worries American officials who fear that Maliki’s request, when it comes, will not include enough troops to keep Americans in the embassies and consulates safe, or include the legal immunity they would require.

"The Pentagon is very worried that what they get may not be something they can live with," said Toby Dodge, an Iraq expert at the London School of Economics.

"It’s part of a quasi-Cold War mentality: they want forward bases in the struggle with Iran, so they are looking to Iraq next door. But it cuts both ways. If they aren’t there with enough levels of indigenous support they will just get hammered by Iran. They will just be tethered goats."

A recent spike in attacks against U.S. troops made June the deadliest month for Americans in Iraq in three years.

Earlier in the year, the popular Iraqi Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr told the BBC that the Iraqi government was under "a lot of pressure" from the Americans to let them stay, and that his dormant militia, the Mehdi Army, would be "reactivated" if that happened.

"At the moment [the militia’s] activities are frozen, but if the Americans stay, that will change," al-Sadr said. "We are resisting, we are targeting their bases, their soldiers, and their vehicles as long as they are here in Iraq."

On Monday, the Iraqi press reported the surprising news that a leading figure in the Sadrist movement had agreed to permit Americans to stay in Iraq after 2011, but Salah al-Obaidi, a spokesman for the movement, dismissed that as a false rumor.

"Really, we have the same principles that we spoke of before: that we refuse any kind of extension for troops to stay after 2011," al-Obaidi told The Huffington Post.

In one potential sign of the administration’s seriousness about not sitting on the sidelines of any internal Iraqi deliberation of a new troop pact, Brett McGurk, the former National Security Council official who led negotiations over the 2008 SOFA, has returned to Iraq as an envoy of President Obama.

This is not the first time that McGurk, a young lawyer who one former defense official on Iraq calls "the smartest guy" on the legal status of American troops, has been called back into service to help improve communications with the Iraqi government.

Last year, McGurk, who left government after a several months in the Obama National Security Council, was instrumental in smoothing along internal Iraqi negotiations over the formation of the government there.

"He was the facilitator, the guy who basically was communicating with all the different factions within the Iraqi government," said Nir Rosen, a journalist who described McGurk’s recurring role in Iraqi political deliberations in his recent book, "Aftermath."

In a statement to The Huffington Post, David Ranz, a spokesman with the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, denied that there has been any change in policy regarding troop withdrawal.

"U.S. military will continue to abide by the Security Agreement signed by Iraq and the United States in November 2008," Ranz said.

"We are on track to the complete the withdrawal of U.S. forces by the end of 2011," he added. "There has been no decision made about keeping any troops in Iraq beyond 2011, nor has there been any request from the Iraqis for additional troops. Therefore, any discussion about the potential for troops in Iraq after 2011 is purely speculative and does not reflect a decision that has been made by the government of Iraq or the United States."

In the meantime, the Obama administration seems keen to downplay controversy about the Iraq plans, particularly in the run-up to an election.

"Obama’s short-term concern is he doesn’t want Iraq to somehow re-enter the news before an election," said Noah Feldman, an Iraq expert at Harvard Law School.

"They have the benefit of consensus: Everyone wants the war to end and no one wants us to look like we’ve lost disastrously, and they can assume the public just trusts them to do the right thing," he continued. "Maliki and the U.S. have roughly the same interests, which is to preserve the stability in the country without making it look like he’s calling for a continuation of occupation. I don’t know if you can defer the question [of total withdrawal] indefinitely, but it does seem like they want to defer one more time, and it looks like they can."

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11:18 PM on 07/20/2011
The USA is not going to change anything in Iraq, whether they leave tomorrow or at the end of this year.
There may be a possibility of a civil war between the Sunni and the Shiites if the Shiites in power now decide to go stupid.
The Iraqi civilians, Sunni, Shiite, and the Kurds have suffered enough from Saddam Hussein and both the Sunni and the Shiite have suffered enough from the USA invasion and occupation.

The Iraqi's have experienced all his will not be so willing into a conflict that will once again put everyone in peril..
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12:18 PM on 07/20/2011
Remember those of you who drink the koolaid and believe the promises, if it looks (sounds) too good to be true, it is!
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WheresNixon
Only children require 100% agreement! P.S. Nixon
12:17 PM on 07/20/2011
This is not about oil. It is about globalization. Money is being redistributed from this nation all over the world. We get involved in a "war" and fund both sides... Think about that for a moment. Then the UN requires us to stay and rebuild the area. Where is your money America? Where? Check out our foreign spending (gifting) policy. The only way to institute a new government is by first tearing down the old one. Change? Oh yes we are about to see change, and no one is going to like it!
09:56 PM on 07/20/2011
What are you talking about? According to the majority of Lib's on here that I have seen comment or posted to me, say that "We are the cheapest and most greedy Country out there giving nothing, or the least of any other Country regarding Foreign Aid, and we don't contribute near enough to the UN." We are too busy giving all of the wealth from the poor to the Corporations, and are starving babies and seniors in order to do that.

How can we contribute to Foreign Aid or the UN with such a big Deficit? Maybe raise the Debt Ceiling, and Print and Borrow more money? But wait, doesn't that further deflate the American Dollar making it even harder on Americans to get out of the mess we are in? It's ok, we'll wait and worry about all that around election time, and just make more promises.
11:09 AM on 07/20/2011
" pointedly using the Arabic word for "trainers," not "troops." "

That sounds a lot like the " Advisor " that was behind my name on the Vietnamese Visa in 1962.
Just a note here to say I didn't advise anyone the whole tour, just kept my head down.
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cigi
11:42 AM on 07/20/2011
I remember this well. My sister dated an "advisor" that was one of those folks in Vietnam about the same time that you were. My husband served from 1967 - '68 in Saigon. It was one of the bloodiest years of the war and I lost several friends in combat. It is truly said that we never learn from history. I could defend Vietnam at first as a young wife. I grew up in the 1950s, 1960s when our greatest fear was Communism. However, over time and especially after the release of the Pentagon Papers, my whole view of war changed. Unless my enemy is coming oup the Mississippi River, then I see no reason for these misadventures. So many Americans don't understand how wars are just "testing grounds" for new weaponary of war and that the troops are there to protect American business interests in most cases. The Middle East is one big business deal, where we protect our business interests...oil in Iraq and mineral wealth/natural gas in Afghanistan. It is sad and I refuse to wave the flag and beat my chest for war unless there is a "real reason" to go. I have found no reason whatsoever that allows me to support either Iraq or Afghanistan. It is a boondoggle that is bankrupting this country.
10:08 PM on 07/20/2011
Well said. I'm just a pup, and was just born at the start. But have heard a few people willing to speak of the education/sorrow it brought them.
I really wish we would and could just defend our borders from our borders.
01:08 AM on 07/21/2011
Those were harsh and difficult years, I hope that your husband and loved ones came home to you safe and sound. I mourn the loss of my brothers in arms and also the Vietnamese that believed in the freedom we so often spoke about. Leaving them to their fate, that our exit caused, was a heavy burden I carry it today. Now with children and grandchildren in uniform, serving their country, I see they may also live with a similar burden. The enemy ""of our way of life" this time, is far more to be reckoned with than the Viet Cong ever was.The battlefield is here at home. The innocent victims of war our neighbors and loved ones.

I have no answers, only a lifetime of questions.
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chevyliddle
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03:27 PM on 07/20/2011
Fanned....from another vet.
12:44 AM on 07/21/2011
Thanks for your service,
thanks for the kind word.
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Oliver R
10:53 AM on 07/20/2011
Why is this a surprise? Empires don't leave - period. There are a handful of vested interests making a LOT of money off of the lives of many others and the treasure of well - the public treasury.

Why should this empire behave any different from previous iterations? Same species....
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cigi
11:47 AM on 07/20/2011
History just keeps on repeating itself for sure Oliver. The realization that most Americans hate to face is that we are no different than those we call our enemies. I believe what we have done to the people of Iraq is wrong in every since of the word. Obama is a huge sellout and so are the Dems who keep their mouths shut and never question our place there. Afghanistan was avenged of 9/11 years ago. We killed Bin Laden. It is time for America to fold up the tents and move out of the Middle East. You can have small contingent forces in Kuwait or Cutter, but troops on the ground in either place serves no person and siphons off billions of American tax dollars annually. I believe they are buying into staying because Obama knows if they pull all the troops out and the Contractors and bring them home, that they will add to the unemployment. Hard times, hard choices for sure, but continuing war for the reasons we are doing now are not defendable.
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10:52 AM on 07/20/2011
The only Hope and Change I see as a Progressive Democrat is to find a a true Democrat that wants to actually fight for the rights of the poor and middleclass instead of talking about it !!
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WheresNixon
Only children require 100% agreement! P.S. Nixon
11:30 AM on 07/20/2011
You will not find that. Hand outs and programs are designed to make the "giver" feel good, while keeping the masses in line and feeling as though they have been given something. Only when people have the opportunity to work and make their own way will they understand that this means freedom.
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cigi
11:59 AM on 07/20/2011
Okie, I hear ya' and I agree! I believe it is hard to do because of the power of the Oligarchs today. The Rupert Murdochs, the Koch Bros. can ruin anyone they have a mind to with their money and power. Most people don't want to put their families and their reputations on the line to fight them. The media is controlled by the Corporatists...no one out there with any sensibilities of fairness or even the ability to report anything that could change this course. I watched old Rup yesterday and he is the Face of America....I can do what I want, say what I want and take no accountability for any of it and unfortunately, people HERE and other places give him a pass. We buy into junk science/fanatical religious tenets et al. It seems to me that America has become "Alice IN Wonderland", where everything is upside down and backwards. The problem is that this isn't a dream for America, it is a reality. We have given up so many rights since 9/11; we have bought into less regulation is good, although it has diminished some folks lifetime of work as far as their asset value today; and we still sit in our homes and watch the tube until we are blind and believe more in reality tv than ourselves. We have met the enemy as they say, and it is US.
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devildog21
"War is a Racket" -Smedley D. Butler MajGen USMC
10:51 AM on 07/20/2011
This should not even be a topic of discussion. We are over here debating cutting SS and medicare for the least of us, while simultaneously trying to find a way to keep enriching the no-bid contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan, who by the way, pay NO income taxes on their earnings.

This is yet another reason I will be looking for a different candidate in 2012.
11:34 AM on 07/20/2011
The cuts in Medicare of 1/2 Trillion have already occurred with the Health Care Act passed into law last year. This amount taken from Medicare is on the backs of all those who have contributed over the years. This will be placed in Medicaid to care for 38 million new people to be added to the rolls. The President mentioned taking another 400 Billion from Medicare in the future last week in a speech. Medicare savings will come from IPAB, reducing medical treatment by cutting the monies paid to providers from $1 to .60 cents and continuing to lower to .33 cents in 30 years. At those rates what kind of medical providers will you have to choose from. A Provider might be a Dr., Hospital, or Rehabilitation Center.
This is one Change this Democrat wishes to remove.
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devildog21
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11:40 AM on 07/20/2011
I think the .5 trillion you refer to is eliminating Medicare Advantage which was a huge give away to insurance. Essentially, they just allow private insurers to charge more while providing Medicare. They give their customers a free pair of glasses or some other little thing to account for charging 30% more for Medicare. There do need to be some tweaks made to Medicare and SS, but a large part of that needs to come from defense spending and perpetual and unnecessary wars.
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WheresNixon
Only children require 100% agreement! P.S. Nixon
11:43 AM on 07/20/2011
Everyone will be going to the clinic. And the wait for an appointment even for a sick person will be weeks to months. All for inferior care. People should have learned a lessons from the HMOs.
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cigi
12:05 PM on 07/20/2011
devildog, agree with you. I am considering just doing a write in for Prez as I have NO faith in Obama. I suggest though that all of you who are as disgusted as I am to call the Pres and call Debbie Wasserman Schultz and tell them they will have to rely on the Corporatists for their money and support. I get stuff from the Dems all the time, asking for $$$$$$ and Obama...I am only giving money directly to Bernie Sanders and no one else at this time. He isn't my Sentator, but he is the only voice in the Senate that I can support at this time. Bernie is a cut of gentleman that does not exist any longer. He really cares about people and fairness of Government towards them. I vehemently oppose the Gang of Six's proposals and if Obama buys off on it I hope there will be a march on Washington. Until a huge number of people show up and commit to changing this, we will keep losing on our end of the deal. Call Harry Reid, call all of them. I do all the time, but we need more voices to stand up and deliver the message. One person cannot change everything alone...it takes a huge collective of focused and committed folks.
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doctorkosan
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10:50 AM on 07/20/2011
Iraq - GTFO.
10:38 AM on 07/20/2011
Mr. Obama' its time for you to "Resign", you have done to this nation what your brother bush has done as well. Be sure and return your peace prize back so it can be given to someone who really deserves it.
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Okieborn
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10:52 AM on 07/20/2011
This Progressive Democrat agrees 100% .
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usamade
10:00 AM on 07/20/2011
"the administration appears to be wary of the consequences of leaving Iraq in full, or with too few troops left in place – and is in the process of seeking a new pact with the Iraqi government"?????

What are those consequences beside bankrupting America?
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waujvari1274
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10:29 AM on 07/20/2011
I'll take Oil for 500 Alex.
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cigi
12:08 PM on 07/20/2011
Fanned and faved! I am with you wau! LOL!
09:56 AM on 07/20/2011
Obama's 2012 campaign slogan: "Change: Maybe This Time"
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media4me2
10:18 AM on 07/20/2011
Changed My Mind
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James E Miller
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09:55 AM on 07/20/2011
Does anyone else here think its great that the article about the Rupert Murdoch scandal gets three times as many comments as an article like this?

I mean here we are, over two years since Obama's inauguration and he is still contemplating on staying in Iraq after running on a platform of leaving. The war machine is running on high as we are now exerting military action in 6 countries. Yet the article that proves as a lighting rod for bashing Fox News and News Corp. gets more attention.

I thought the left didn't care about fluff like that and was more serious...
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usamade
10:00 AM on 07/20/2011
Agree.
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
10:02 AM on 07/20/2011
How many of those actions has Obama created? The present military actions in Libya, that's one.
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James E Miller
Government = Guns & Badges
10:05 AM on 07/20/2011
Irrelevant, he is continuing them when he has the full power and authority to stop them.
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James E Miller
Government = Guns & Badges
10:08 AM on 07/20/2011
Just because Obama has a D next to his name doesn't excuse his continued war mongering and civilian murdering agenda.
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Clem Dominguez
09:54 AM on 07/20/2011
"Obama’s short-term concern is he doesn’t want Iraq to somehow re-enter the news before an election," said Noah Feldman, an Iraq expert at Harvard Law School.
That's seems to always be Obama's major concern on every issue "will it hurt my reelection". Obama is such a disappointment. On issue after issue he acts like a moderate Republican.
10:48 AM on 07/20/2011
He IS a moderate republican, democrat in name only.
Such a disappaointment. This guy cannot make a decision on anything.We have bases in 100 areas of the world . Gee what's one more.
Find a democrat to run against him. Someone who knows how to be a politician. Someone with some GUTS.
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Okieborn
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10:55 AM on 07/20/2011
If this President doesn't start the Hope and Change for the Poor and Middleclass he won't have to worry about being re-elected there will be a real Democrat to replace Obamas republican ways !!!
09:42 AM on 07/20/2011
"the administration appears to be wary of the consequences of leaving Iraq in full, or with too few troops left in place"

Consequences? Such as not killing thousands of Iraqi women and children? Such as allowing our troops to come home and bolster our production economy? Such as saving the American taxpayer billions upon untold billions of dollars in war expenses each month?
09:39 AM on 07/20/2011
This is why people need to start paying attention to Ron Paul. Put an end to the welfare/warfare mentality and the country will again be on the right path. What is the real difference between the 2 parties? Both are ruining our country with failed policies
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James E Miller
Government = Guns & Badges
09:46 AM on 07/20/2011
Damn straight people need to start paying attention to Ron Paul, don't ask anybody on HuffPost to do it though. That big R besides his name means he is the devil and can't be trusted with ending the War on Drugs, ending corporate welfare known as the Federal Reserve, and ending our imperialistic foreign policy.
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cigi
11:26 AM on 07/20/2011
Ron Paul is NOT the answer. His silly Utopian Libertarian views WILL not work for America. The better side of Angels are necessary to pull a Libertarian ideal off...scratch that in this country.That said, I agree with you that we need to end our imperialistic foreign policy.....that with cuttting off all the Militarists from contracts with the Federal Government. We have as many Private Contractors now in the Middle East as we do military personnel. The Private Contractors are running up the costs of these two ill-advised adventures to the tuneof BILLIONS of your and my tax dollars for the last ten years, with NO end in sight. The American people need to quit quibbling over taxes and look at one of the biggest causes of their and this country's dilemma...out of control spending on DEFENSE. You could safely cut spending by 20% and still be spending more than the next 26 industrialized nations in the world do. Ike warned us of this in 1954 when he retired. No ONE has listened up since. We need to call, write, and march to end this era of militarism. We need to put sanity into our politics. I don't want to live in a country without a Government but I certainly do no want to be a part of country where the Military Industrial Complex has our Government by the b@lls.
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Clem Dominguez
09:57 AM on 07/20/2011
I agree, we now have the Republican moderates on the left and the Conservative party on the right.
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James E Miller
Government = Guns & Badges
10:07 AM on 07/20/2011
No, we have two parties of big, intrusive government. Both are in love with the state and want it regulating our personal lives as well the affairs of foreign, sovereign countries.
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cigi
11:34 AM on 07/20/2011
Agree with you, so how do we change it? There has never been a society that was successfully run and managed to survive on the premise of libertarianism. It is more chaotic than what we are experiencing now. Democracy is the true form of Government that "can" be successful, but unfortunately, over the last 40 years too many of us bought into the idea that Consumer Capitalism was all there was. I support capitalism, but what we have in America now is Predatory Capitalism, with reduced regulations and a bunch of Oligarchs who now own our government and all the pols in it. Democracy gives power to the people, Predatory Capitalism, reduces that to rule by Oligarchs with no regard for the people. It stifles competition and puts money/power in the hands of a few at the expense of the rest of us. If we continue down this road then we relegate ourselves to nothing more than the new face of the serfdom and we become them! What a legacy to leave for our progeny. Until we have some semblance of "moderation" in this country in the people we put into office, expect nothing more than chaos. I like Dr. Paul, he was my rep at one time, but he is NOT the answer and neither is libertarianism.