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Debt Ceiling Fight Moves To Senate, Obama Wants To 'Start Talking Turkey'

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BEN FELLER   07/20/11 09:15 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — Running out of time, President Barack Obama softened his stand and signaled Wednesday he would back a short-term deal to prevent a disastrous financial default on Aug. 2, but only if a larger and still elusive deficit-cutting agreement was essentially in place. He called lawmakers to the White House in a scramble to find enough votes from both Republicans and his own party.

Obama met with the Democratic leaders of the House and Senate, and then separately with House Speaker John Boehner and his deputy, Majority Leader Eric Cantor, in hopes of cobbling together a big compromise. All signs pointed to a legislative fight that would play out to the end.

The president, pushing for a deal that would cut the nation's budget deficit across the next decade and extend the government's tapped-out borrowing power through the approaching election year, had threatened to veto any stopgap expansion of the nation's debt limit. He even challenged Cantor, R-Va., not to call his bluff about it in one confrontational moment last week.

Obama's now-calibrated position, offered by spokesman Jay Carney, reflected the reality: leaders are nearly out of time to head off unprecedented trouble. Carney said if a divided Congress and the White House can agree on a significant deal, Obama would accept a "very short-term extension" of the debt limit to let bigger legislation work its way through Congress.

Even a few days matters, given the stakes.

The government will exhaust its ability to borrow money and pay its bills come Aug. 2, an outcome that could sink the country back into recession, halt Social Security checks, send interest rates higher and erode the creditworthiness of the richest nation on earth.

The White House made clear Obama still opposes a short-term extension of the debt limit on the order of 30 days or more on the grounds that would just punt the problem. He reiterated that views in his meetings with lawmakers, a Democrat familiar with the talks said.

An aide to Boehner, R-Ohio, said the Republican leaders and the president will continue to talk, but no meeting had been scheduled.

Those familiar with the talks spoke on condition of anonymity to disclose details of the private discussions at the White House. All sides were keeping information tight as time slips by and negotiations grow sensitive.

The latest talks centered on what it will take to muster enough votes from both parties to muscle legislation through the House and Senate and raise the national debt limit. Congressional leaders say they want to prevent default, but they are far from agreed on how.

The divided-by-party nature of Obama's negotiations underscored his need to get a bottom line from Democrats in both chambers and the leaders of the Republican-run House.

His challenge with fellow Democrats is to persuade them to accept changes to the popular entitlement programs of Medicare and Social Security. With Republicans, Obama is slamming into opposition from conservatives who refuse to consider tax increases. Obama wants a mixed approach of higher taxes on the wealthy and spending cuts that share the pain.

"There is still time to do something significant," Carney said, urging compromise.

Realistically, though, the deadline for agreement is this week, not next week, given the time needed to craft, debate, pass and work out possible differences in legislation.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Tuesday that the head of the Congressional Budget Office has told him it could take the scorekeeping agency two weeks to come up with an official cost estimate for even a relatively modest package of spending cuts.

Then there are the problems of moving the debt limit increase through the Senate, where the rules allow any single member to force delays.

Parliamentary experts say that if the Senate takes up the debt limit measure this Saturday, it could take more than a week, until Monday, Aug. 1, to pass the measure through the Senate, give the House time to consider it and make changes and then gain Senate approval one more time.

The Obama administration and Congress are also working on a backup plan to increase the debt limit if no big plan can be reached. It would allow Obama to raise the ceiling on his own unless overridden by Congress. Yet many House Republicans loathe that idea and have pledged to vote against it, raising doubts about how tenable even the fallback choice is.

That plan is the result of work by Reid and the Republican leader of the Senate, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

Obama is trying to seize on momentum from a proposal from a bipartisan "Gang of Six" senators that would cut the deficit by almost $4 trillion but lacks many specifics.

Obama met for less than an hour with Reid; Dick Durbin of Illinois, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate and a member of the Gang of Six; House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California and Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the No. 2 Democrat in the House.

A House Democratic aide familiar with the meeting said House Democrats stand with Obama on his push for a big bargain but without hurting seniors through cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

Obama's meeting with Boehner and Cantor ran roughly 90 minutes.

The plan by the Gang of Six is probably far too complicated and contentious to win passage before the Aug. 2 deadline. But the plan's authors hope it could serve as a template for a "grand bargain" later in the year that could erase perhaps $4 trillion from the deficit over the coming decade.

Even among Democrats, Rep. Chris Van Hollen, senior Democrat on the House Budget Committee, said lawmakers had too few details about the Gang of Six plan.

Pelosi, the top Democrat in the House, reacted positively Wednesday to the new plan, saying it "has some good principles in it."

However, Republican Rep. Howard "Buck" McKeon of California, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, blasted the plan in a missive to his panel members, saying it would cut the Pentagon much too deeply and would unfairly curb military health and retirement benefits.

The Gang of Six framework promises almost $4 trillion in deficit cuts, including an immediate 10-year, $500 billion down payment that would come as Congress sets caps on the agency budgets it passes each year.

It also requires an additional $500 billion in cost curbs on federal health care programs, cuts to federal employee pensions, curbs in the growth of military health care and retirement costs and modest cuts to farm subsidies.

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Associated Press writers Andrew Taylor, David Espo, Erica Werner, Jim Kuhnhenn and Julie Pace contributed to this report.

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SocialistDistortion 09:50 AM on 07/20/2011
Dear Tea Partiers, Below are a few questions I've been asking for a while that not a single one of you has been able to answer yet, but being the generous person that I am, I'm giving you another chance today: 1 - Why are US bonds still going for only a couple of points? If this were a REAL crisis, interest would be super high. 2 - Why are you not talking about cuts to the DOD? Did you know that the US is  Read More...
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02:40 PM on 07/27/2011
Boehner knows what these two year, unlikely to be back, tea party representatives don't get. Namely the majority of the country are not tea party consituents and thus Republicans will get hammered in next years elections, since independents and moderates do not support them.
09:29 AM on 07/27/2011
As a Government (Accounting & Finance) retiree, it is my humble opinion that all this is nothing more than scare tactics for the average taxpayer. Once the debt ceiling is raised, how long before our so-called representatives raise it again because of pork, bribes, donations to other countries, just plain living high on the hog, etc.? Why is it that our "representatives" aren't accountable for out-and-out theft? Why do we not have a say-so over anything that matters? Why is it that DICATOR/TRAITOR obama and his wife are not being held accountable for their extravagances? Why are all of these people exempt from the very laws, etc., that are supposed to be so good for the rest of us? Whatever happened to equality for all U.S. citizens?
11:06 AM on 07/27/2011
Right you are ksharpie. Until we the people stop playing the "I will vote against the other side" game and bring up a viable third party candidate who is not beholden to special interests the same game will continue, and I fear greatly, will run this once great nation into the ground. The situation is very dire as we plod our way toward the same fate as Greece.

Although I am conservative I must say BOTH sides have been playing the extreme spending game for far too long and now it's time to pay the piper. Given the mathematics of such extreme debt I wonder how we will ever pay back such an inconceivable amount. I truly believe if the founding fathers were alive to see the mess we are in they would advocate firing everyone in both houses (perhaps the executive branch as well) and trying them all on charges of high treason...the offense would seem to be that egregious.
09:59 PM on 07/26/2011
Obama is certainly qualified to talk turkey!!!!!
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Shawn1978
type Conspiracy behind the subject for the truth
07:16 PM on 07/26/2011
Hey why don't someone in D.C. aknowledge that elephant in the room ( not talking the repub elephant) and take in consideration that the government is going to have to be audited before they can balance the budget,, gov takes in $200bill a month I don't know where $2.4trill a year is going, what will happen is what always happens those who make $ 250,000 + will get a tax increase ,,,the millionaires and billionaires are not going to get a tax increase,,,,, their tax exempt their tax dollars so to is private contributions and campaign funding ,its going to happen the same way it always happens congress senate will pass a deal last minute Obama gov will claimed that they saved the world cause military and social security will go out as norm ,and at midnight they will vote themselves a raise they didn't earn!
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eyemjustsayin
12:33 PM on 07/26/2011
Our US government is pathetic. Egos, double talk, lies, threats, ultimatums, tough talk, and alpha dogs growling at each other. And as they tussle over the wealthy and tax hikes, the poor of us scrounge to get through the month, pay our bills, and do without. I wish we could have a vote today, and get them all out of office. This continuing immature crap makes me sick. What happened to "for the people"?
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clearasmud
De Tocqueville and Marx were both right
07:00 AM on 07/25/2011
The Dems just checkmated the Repugs. SS and Medicare not cut. Meets all Repug Requirements and gets past 2012. No revenue increases yet, but now the Dems can run on revenue increases vs cuts to SS and Medicare. The 2012 election will be the Dems and the People vs The Repugs and the Rich/Corporations.

The GOPers have to take this because it meets all theri requirements.
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dawlishgal
09:10 AM on 07/23/2011
I can't get back to respond to the person who commented on one of my postings, but people ought to hear how he complained that the poor don't want to work or else don't bother to get higher paying jobs. I wonder what planet this guy lives on. My welll-qualified neighbor was out of work for almost two years before she took a low-paying job taking care of old people. And she finally found another better paying job that pays less than the one she was outsourced from.

Social safety nets ought to provide peace of mind for everybody that if a disaster befalls them, they will not be bankrupt as well as very sick or long-term unemployed. I would believe the crapola from the far right if they were not the first ones in line whenever THEY qualify for governmental help....how 'bout those millionaires getting agricultural subsidies?

We can no longer trust insurance companies...they don';t have to pay legitimate claims of working people, thanks to a loophole in ERISA that congress is afraid to close. So we NEED some kind of governmental sponsored, non-corporate insurance. WE NEED IT, because insurance companies have alread proved that they can't be trusted and we have a government that won't regulate them because they count of big political contributions from big insurance.

The Faux Nooze conservatives have swallowed the "blame-the-victim" crapola and they're being damn righteous about it.
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clearasmud
De Tocqueville and Marx were both right
07:02 AM on 07/25/2011
Health Care should not be a profit motive. Period !
01:12 PM on 07/26/2011
One of the leading tea party House of Reps. Dan Burton. In the 90s was investigated for kick back from lobbyist. Many wanted him to resign. Today he is 73 . His income as a rep. is $174,00.00 . He recieves $28,400.00 a year from SS.When asked about his SS payments ,his answer was and I quote " I AM ENTITLED". This from someone that wants the rest us to tigthen our belts.
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Duke of Abq
06:29 PM on 07/22/2011
All he does is talk. It's past time to cut, cap, and balance with a real plan to pay off the National Debt with in 30 years. Power to the States and the people. Not the blood sucking Federal Government.
03:49 PM on 07/22/2011
So, has Huffpo turned into nothing but irrelevant, meaningless, snarkey one-liners like Twitter? Maybe I should discontinue my subscription to Huffpo's daily brief in my email.
03:38 PM on 07/22/2011
I am questioning the decisions of your moderators. Is it considered off limits by AOL to mention by name the failures of a past Republican President or the unethical behavior of a network pundit who deliberately spreads lies, deceit and misinformation?
03:28 PM on 07/22/2011
Now we are seeing the result of voting for radical people with radical ideas and absolutely NO sense of compromise. I don't know where to go from here.
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StanleyBing
11:21 AM on 07/22/2011
"Talk Turkey" says the guy that refuses to put his proposal on paper. What a clown.
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Max Imus
correcting GOP mistakes
03:10 PM on 07/22/2011
that's Congress' job, genius. The President's only job here is to sign what they put on paper.
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eyemjustsayin
12:35 PM on 07/26/2011
what clown, what proposal isn't on paper? You tea baggers continue to think you're in charge, and people like cantor are afraid of you, but its going to backfire. big time. The American people have had enough of your trite hypocritical foolishness. Its not funny, its sickening.
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dawlishgal
10:39 AM on 07/22/2011
I wish it were easier to get back to comments so that people could reply to them. I would like to ask the guy who says that people are refusing to work what kind of dreamworld he is living in.
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clearasmud
De Tocqueville and Marx were both right
07:03 AM on 07/25/2011
Fox's
05:57 AM on 07/22/2011
Americans are tiered of tax and overspend politics. Both parties are trying to reinvent themselves and taking heat form their extremes. We need to cut military spending by 200 billion, 100 billion to deficit reduction, 100 billion to US Department of Veterans Affairs. Its time we took care of our veterans and their family's. All American business pay 20% income tax, no loopholes. Put a 10% tariff on all imports unless exports are of equal value +or- 10%. I think we could call that fair trade. Find 100 billion savings in health care costs. Eliminate most of the waste and fraud in government butchery, use that money to repay SSI. Give Big Oil subsidies only for the construction of new refineries. This would increase supply and lower the cost of fuel and help the economy.
10:11 PM on 07/21/2011
All Obama has to do is wave the 14th amendment in their faces and he can do what ever he needs to do!!!
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Max Imus
correcting GOP mistakes
03:11 PM on 07/22/2011
checkmate, FTW!
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Duke of Abq
06:26 PM on 07/22/2011
Do it and see how fast he will be Impeached! High Crimes and Treason.
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clearasmud
De Tocqueville and Marx were both right
07:07 AM on 07/25/2011
According to Constitutional Lawyers Obama can use the 14th. I have seen none that says he cannot. Of course, the Koch Brothers own the Supreme Court so we know what they will decide.
11:39 AM on 07/27/2011
Bush had 35 articles of impeahment read on the house floor, and not one dem or repub responded to the most articles of impeachment ever read on one president. He didn't get impeached. This proves that our government is broken on both sides and we need justice back in this country.