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Debt Ceiling Deadline Approaches: Ronald Reagan Looms Over Debate

TOM RAUM   07/23/11 03:19 PM ET   AP

Ronald Reagan Debt Ceiling Debate

WASHINGTON — Ronald Reagan might as well be sitting in on the troubled debt talks, so frequently is his memory invoked by both sides. But for vastly different reasons. Conservative Republicans praise the 40th president's steely advocacy for smaller government and lower taxes.

President Barack Obama and his Democratic allies praise Reagan because, they say, he was the sublime compromiser, willing to work with Democrats such as House Speaker Thomas P. "Tip" O'Neill of Massachusetts to forge landmark tax and Social Security deals and willing to raise the federal debt ceiling so the government could keep borrowing to pay its bills.

Can both be true?

In fact, both camps are experiencing a touch of Reagan amnesia.

Debt talks between Obama and House Speaker John Boehner came to a grinding halt Friday night when Boehner abruptly broke them off, raising new uncertainties that a deal could be struck to avert a threatened government default.

Reagan did push through deep, across-the-board cuts in tax rates in his first year of the presidency in 1981, fulfilling a campaign promise.

But the following year he signed the largest peace-time tax increase in U.S. history, the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982. He raised taxes in every succeeding year of his presidency except the last. As California governor, Reagan also signed the biggest tax increase in state history.

"There was a consistency to Reagan on taxes, which was basically that he cut them when he could, but raised them when he had to. He was not dogmatic on this issue, as his current day followers seem to think," said economist Bruce Bartlett, a senior policy analyst in the Reagan White House and a top Treasury official in President George H.W. Bush's administration.

Bartlett noted that Reagan's tax increases took back about half of his signature 1981 tax cut. When he left office in 1989, federal taxes accounted for 18.4 percent of the nation's gross domestic product, compared with the 18 percent average for the two decades before he took office. By contrast, tax revenues are forecast to be just 14.4 per cent of GDP in 2011.

Some tea party-courting Republicans cite Reagan's low-tax, small-government mantra as they insist they won't support any increase in the government's borrowing power past Aug. 2, unless significant budget cuts are made and taxes kept constant.

Yet during Reagan's two terms, he presided over 18 increases in the debt ceiling. He even publicly scolded Congress for playing hardball politics with the debt limit and bringing the nation "to the edge of default before facing its responsibility." That's a passage the White House and congressional Democrats are now fond of recycling to their advantage.

Obama has been paying new homage to the former Republican president he once called transformative as he remains locked in a standoff with Republicans.

"Ronald Reagan worked with Tip O'Neill and Democrats to cut spending, raise revenues and reform Social Security," Obama noted a few days ago. "That kind of cooperation should be the least you expect from us."

In a recent exchange with House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., Obama complained that House Republicans weren't giving an inch on raising taxes and were frustrating compromise efforts. According to Cantor, Obama ended the meeting saying, "Can you imagine Ronald Reagan sitting here?"

It was an apparent suggestion that Reagan would have been more accommodating or less likely to engage in political trench warfare.

The facts: The big 1980s domestic-policy deals cited by Obama happened at a time when there were more politically moderate members in both parties than in these highly polarized times, and when congressional leaders had more flexibility in finding common ground.

It's true that Reagan did not engage as much in the day-to-day bargaining. The big bipartisan agreements of the Reagan years were mostly cobbled together by O'Neill's forces and moderate Republican leaders such as Sens. Howard Baker of Tennessee and Bob Dole of Kansas, and Rep. Barber Conable of New York.

Still, Reagan and O'Neill clearly liked each other and enjoyed socializing. Although House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, played golf with Obama and had tried for a "grand bargain" compromise with him, their relationship does not seem to be anywhere near at the same comfort level as that between Reagan and O'Neill, two gregarious Irish-Americans.

That may have become clear late Friday, when the talks collapsed, with each side blaming the other.

Looking back to the 1980s, with the exception of a few major deals like on Social Security, the day-to-day dealings between the Reagan administration and O'Neill were largely contentious and partisan.

Yet that Social Security agreement remains a model for those who yearn for less partisan times now.

Threats of approaching economic chaos were as much in the air in early 1983 as they are now, as Social Security was fast running out of money and benefit checks were at risk.

The eventual deal that rescued the program involved changing Social Security tax-rate schedules, imposing income taxes on the benefits of higher-income individuals, and raising the retirement age in steps to 67 for those born after 1960. It was put in play by a bipartisan commission headed by Republican economist Alan Greenspan, later to become chairman of the Federal Reserve.

It was fine-tuned by a high-level group of nine House and Senate members.

That bipartisan group met in secret locations for weeks to hammer out the final details, remembers Paul Light, who at the time was a congressional fellow with Conable, the senior Republican on the House Ways and Means Committee and one of the negotiators.

The talks coincided with the Washington Redskins' march to the team's Super Bowl victory over the Miami Dolphins in January 1983.

"The Gang of Nine could actually sit around the table and say, `Go Redskins.' That just created camaraderie that I don't see now," said Light, now a public policy professor at New York University. "And the compromise lasted 30 years, which isn't bad."

So in the end, how can Reagan be both a hero to Republicans for arguing against tax increases – and to Democrats for agreeing to them?

"That's what made him such an incredibly good politician," said Stephen Hess, a presidential scholar at the Brookings Institution.

Reagan was a master of blurring distinctions with compelling rhetoric, Hess suggested.

"People often see in him what they want to see, or what they are looking for. And that has been certainly true of other great politicians in their time as well."

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WASHINGTON — Ronald Reagan might as well be sitting in on the troubled debt talks, so frequently is his memory invoked by both sides. But for vastly different reasons. Conservative Republicans p...
WASHINGTON — Ronald Reagan might as well be sitting in on the troubled debt talks, so frequently is his memory invoked by both sides. But for vastly different reasons. Conservative Republicans p...
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Siebenstein
> there is no endless growth
05:36 AM on 07/26/2011
"Debt Ceiling Deadline Approaches: Ronald Reagan Looms Over Debate"

That he looms over the debate shows exactely what the problems are on both sides, but particularily the Dem's. R. Reagan constantly referred to by Obama= his great idol?
04:10 PM on 07/25/2011
here time and time again people cant get along. it's a shame how people are today. the issue can be resolved easily just get employers to hire more people give tax breaks to companies who keep companies in america. thats how the issue can be fixed quickly and easily
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undertheinfluence
POW in my own home country
09:12 PM on 07/23/2011
What are the republicans saying here? Are they telling us that Boehner is seeing dead people. What are they trying to do, raise the debt ceiling, or raise the dead?
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dizmo4
07:52 PM on 07/23/2011
*sigh*

It'd be nice if someone in Washington would read through this.   Pragmatism over ideology.
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Freescjk67
Shine on Progressives!!
07:09 PM on 07/23/2011
Comparing to Reagan with today's GOP is hilarious. The GOP today is much further right wing then Reagan was.
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stape45
No brag, just fact.
10:58 PM on 07/23/2011
If the GOP succeeds in changing America for the worst, as they have done themselves, the nation is doomed.
Whoahox
Let's go Mets!
03:35 AM on 07/24/2011
Lord knows he'd be polling well behind Romney and Bachmann. LOL
jdrourke
Please don't let my facts deflate your ignorance.
05:29 PM on 07/23/2011
Reagan had no problem with raising the debt ceiling; he saw it done while in office 17 times.

17 times, folks.

http://jdrourke.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/to-those-resisting-raising-the-debt-ceiling-again/
06:04 PM on 07/23/2011
Your correct, about raising the debit limit 17 times.

The difference between Reagan and Obama is Reagan Stimulated growth by lowering income taxes which resulted in Federal Revenues rising and employment rising.

When Reagan took office Federal Revenues were at $517.1 B per year, when he left office Revenues were at $909.2 B per Year, a 75.83% increase. Reagan saw revenue growth ever year during his administration.

When Reagan took office Private Sector Employment was at 140,419 M people, when he left office Private Sector employment was at 169,242 M people, a 20.72% increase. Reagan had employment growth all but one year (1981) during his Administration.

The same was true for Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2, they all saw Revenue and Employment Growth during their Administrations. Bush 2 actually performed better on Employment Growth then any other President in the History of the US.

Now there is Obama he has managed to decrease Revenues from $2,524 B down to $2162.7 B, decreased Employment in the private Sector from 229,737 M down to 219,401. While increasing the Federal Debit by $4.29 T and 43% increase from when Bush left office.
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Freescjk67
Shine on Progressives!!
07:07 PM on 07/23/2011
Man you post bunch of BS!!
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wcritizing
StopShovingDownYourReligiousViewsOntoEverybodyElse
11:37 PM on 07/23/2011
cheese Jacque, Revenue is a long process that have been faulted for the previous adminstration ( Republican administration, right ?).
and Junior never put war spending on the budget.He loved to give them blank checks.
Did you forget that the bill are some previuos spending ?
05:28 PM on 07/23/2011
One reason Reagan was optimistic about the 1982 tax increase was that the 1981 tax bill that passed cut total taxes twice as much as he had originally proposed. Reagan originally proposed the 30% income tax cut plus a few changes to business taxes, for a total five-year price tag of about $350 billion. Once Congress got done with its feeding frenzy with special interests, the final bill that passed cut revenue by twice that, $700 billion. Reagan knew he had some room to go back on some taxes if he needed to.

Reagan never-considered raising the taxes that liberals most wanted raised, income taxes on the rich. When negotiation on the tax deal in 1982 began, Democrats were demanding that the third year of the income tax be cancelled outright. These were always a complete non-starter for Reagan. The tax package of 1982 raised excise taxes in a number of areas, and cut many business tax breaks from the 1981 tax act. Reagan knew, as liberals don't, that not all taxes are created equal, or have the same effect on economic performance.

Reagan was stalwart on protecting low tax rates in income and investment that drive economic growth. Liberals above all want taxes that are punitive and redistributive, and do not care about their effect on economic growth. Obama explicitly acknowledged this in the 2008 campaign that capital gains tax revenues go up when the rate is cut and fall when the rate is raised.
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Joe Corbett
It's all hearsay.
05:09 PM on 07/23/2011
Reagan had a 50% top tax bracket. Obama's is 18% for billionaires. Any Jack could run the if he had that amount of cash to run the country with.
11:39 PM on 07/23/2011
Not true. This is a liberal fairy tale. Cite your sources.
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Joe Corbett
It's all hearsay.
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Joe Corbett
It's all hearsay.
12:36 AM on 07/24/2011
Here are the first two supporting documents. More available upon request.
Again 50% tax bracket during Reagan presidency 18% During Obama presidency.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTzMqm2TwgE&feature=share

http://ntu­.org/tax-b­asics/hist­ory-of-fed­eral-indiv­idual-1.ht­ml
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thanadar
Jury nullification works.
04:18 PM on 07/23/2011
Moody's is a business registered in America. Perhaps a 3AM visit by Uncle Sam's persuaders to the board members will convince them that it is to their own personal interests that we retain our traditional rating, no mater what.
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champagne charlie
Ayn Rand and social Darwinism are just wrong!
02:19 PM on 07/23/2011
Reagan was flawed but not a reactionary like current republicans. He was also a pragmatists who put the good of the country before ca perceived victory. This will be a Pyrrhic victory at best for the republicans!
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01:51 PM on 07/23/2011
Reagan---Elitist disguised as an All American cowboy...........3 atheists, 1 AWOL----(Marx/Lenin--Rand/Reagan) The 4 worst idealogical influences in history.....