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Reid Pitches Final Deficit Deal Without Revenues


First Posted: 07/24/11 11:43 PM ET Updated: 09/23/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- After another round of failed negotiations with Republicans over the weekend, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Sunday night laid out Democratic leaders' latest -- and likely final -- proposal for a deficit reduction deal: $2.7 trillion in cuts, a debt ceiling hike through the end of 2012 and no revenues.

The proposal "meets Republicans' two major criteria," Reid said in a statement. It includes enough spending cuts to meet or exceed the amount of a debt ceiling raise through the end of 2012, and it doesn't include any of the new revenues Democrats have been pushing for.

"We hope Speaker Boehner will abandon his 'my way or the highway' approach, and join us in forging a bipartisan compromise along these lines," Reid said.

The Nevada Democrat said talks broke down again on Sunday night as Republican leaders insisted on passing a short-term debt ceiling increase. During a Saturday briefing with House Republicans, Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) announced his plan to push for a more than $3 trillion deficit reduction package that would raise the debt ceiling in increments, by $900 billion at first and then by about $1.6 trillion next year. The White House and Democratic leaders have ruled out any type of short-term extension out of concerns that it would create uncertainty in financial markets and expose the already fragile economy to greater risks.

Reid called the GOP plan "a non-starter in the Senate and with the President." He and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) huddled with President Barack Obama on Sunday night, just before Reid unveiled the latest Democratic plan.

Pelosi embraced Reid's proposal in a statement after their meeting.

"I applaud Senator Reid for putting forward an approach to reduce the deficit that protects Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries," she said.

With pressure mounting on Congress and the White House to ensure the government doesn't default on its debt, the latest Democratic offering shows just how much party leaders have compromised during the negotiations as Republicans have held their ground. For weeks, Democrats demanded that any substantial package include revenues to offset spending cuts, namely by closing corporate tax loopholes and ending subsidies for the oil and gas industry. But their demands have now been whittled away to a proposal coming from their own party with major cuts and no revenue at all.

Republicans, meanwhile, have largely gotten what they wanted in their push for significant spending cuts without new revenue.

Negotiators are running out of time to reach a deal by August 2, the day the government is expected to run out of money to pay its bills and send the United States into default. And even if lawmakers are able to pull off an eleventh-hour deal that averts that scenario, credit rating agencies have already warned lawmakers that the United States may still have its credit rating downgraded as a result of the protracted debate over the debt limit. If that were to occur, Americans would face higher interest rates on their credit cards, student loans and mortgages.

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WASHINGTON -- After another round of failed negotiations with Republicans over the weekend, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Sunday night laid out Democratic leaders' latest -- and likely...
WASHINGTON -- After another round of failed negotiations with Republicans over the weekend, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Sunday night laid out Democratic leaders' latest -- and likely...
WASHINGTON -- After another round of failed negotiations with Republicans over the weekend, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Sunday night laid out Democratic leaders' latest -- and likely...
WASHINGTON -- After another round of failed negotiations with Republicans over the weekend, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Sunday night laid out Democratic leaders' latest -- and likely...
 
 
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snowballinhell
Humans have a 100% chance of extinction
03:06 PM on 07/26/2011
Give 'em hell, Harry! Uh, Harry? Uh, Harry? Uh oh. just the sound of crickets from the Democratic side of the aisle.
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10:04 AM on 07/26/2011
We want revenues show some spine for a change
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05:37 PM on 07/25/2011
Harry Reid comes from a state that has the second lowest tax rates in the country behind Alaska. What's all the hype about raising taxes ?
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1Kcifar
05:27 PM on 07/25/2011
Well the thing that got us here was the years that Bush and Company spent the total surplus that President Clinton had left him when he balanced the budget for the first time in years....Then Bush and the Republican congress led us down the path of spending with 2 unnecessary wars and no
regulations on the housing industry,while all the time reducing the taxes (income) on wealthy people and coorporations ....Bush people allowed millions of jobs to be transferred to India ,China and the Philippines.... and then allowed the economy to start losing 700,000 jobs per month....

This is all true and is backed by web sites "bush and company / bad leadership....tr-129-23
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Angie Tyne 1
I want my disagree button!!
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isaluna
No Good Deed Goes Un Punished
12:15 AM on 07/26/2011
Thanks for the link...an important reminder to those who rewrite history and believe their own lies...The Housing Bubble - took down the middle class. We are still paying and will continue to do so...unless Americans wake up from the matrix.
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Mover
Father, Husband, Ret 1SG
02:14 PM on 07/26/2011
FYI: Presidents can only spend the money that congress appropriates. Clinton never had a surplus. The Republican congress worked its way to a surplus. When Tom Daschle bribed Jumpin Jim Jeffords away from the GOP, he started a new spending spree. And let's not forget that we were attacked in 2001 and a war in Afghanistan started shortly thereafter.

Bush didn't casually borrow and spend trillions of dollars he didn't have on unions, GE and other well healed supporters, and getting nothing in return as Obama has been doing. The Bush deficits were an average of $400 billion each year. It was used to help 911 survivors, workers suffering under the Clinton recession he inherited, a War in Afghanistan and a war in Iraq.
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1Kcifar
05:18 PM on 07/25/2011
NO RAID ON ENTITLEMENTS IS FINE.....But the wealthy 2% need to do their share since they have laid on their fat incomes for 10 BUSH YEARS, while he reduced their taxes and it did not help the economy one ioda and it did not creat jobs....

It just made the rich richer and the middle class poorer....
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Mover
Father, Husband, Ret 1SG
02:39 PM on 07/26/2011
I'm sorry, but people who continually call for the rich to pay their fair share have no notion of how much any class of Americans, as progressives classify them, pay in income taxes. No clue.

The top 2 percent of wage earners pay around 40 percent of all income taxes collected by the federal government.

The top 50 percent of wage earners pay around 95 percent of all income taxes collected by the federal government.

The bottom 50 percent pay about 5 percent of all income taxes collected by the federal government.

If you want to be really fair, the dictionary meaning of fair, then you should be crying for the lower 50 percent to pay more.

The Bush tax cuts removed millions of low income workers from paying any income taxes at all and increased to percentage that the rich pay.

But the left are not about fair. The left are about gimme, gimme, gimme. Just like my 5 year old child was.

I am petitioning my representative to pass a law preventing liberals, progressives and numb-skulls from using the word "fair" because they do not, cannot and refuse to know what it means. "Fair" could be classified as the other four letter "F" word, not to be used in mixed company.
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Dbos
Single payer universal health insurance agent
12:59 AM on 07/27/2011
Were did you get this information?
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ThomasMc
Christian morality is an oxymoron.
04:50 PM on 07/25/2011
That's odd. Back when George W. Bush took the Clinton surplus, the largest the country had ever seen, and turned it into the largest deficit the country had ever seen, the Republicans were all chanting "Deficits don't matter! Deficits don't matter!" I wonder what changed? Oh, that's right. Now there's a Democrat in the White House.

So, don't worry. I'm sure that once a Republican returns to the White House, deficits won't matter anymore.
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sexywhiteboy53
America First!!
04:30 PM on 07/25/2011
As a rep I think this is a good deal, And I do not want to see social S. cuts or the medical! Yes i think we need to improve , I knopw thier is alot of waste on the Medical side, and thats what we should work on, and makeing sure S.S. will always be their!! The Afgan and Iraq war need to be ended this year, and stop all forein aid untill we got things a lot better money wise! So many people post to me and say forein aid won't make that much of a change I say they are wrong ?? This the kind of thing we can cut back on without hurting americans!
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sexywhiteboy53
America First!!
04:19 PM on 07/25/2011
If you Dems thought Bush spent to much money How come Obama did nothing to address this problem ?? jan 2009 is when Obama should have said enough is enough, unless he really did not care?? First thing Obama did when he got into office was worry about the Gitmo Detainess, and health care?? not jobs spending cuts or even ending tghe Wars!! which are still going on??
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JudgeMoonbox
10:11 PM on 07/25/2011
"If you Dems thought Bush spent to much money How come Obama did nothing to address this problem ?? jan 2009 is when Obama should have said enough is enough,"

Picture Bush and Obama as successive mayors of a drought-stricken city. Would you say that Obama should have had the fire department observe the same water-rationing restrictions as the average homeowners? Obama had to put out a fire first--many believe the fire is still raging--and once the fires are out can he have the FD practice water conservation on things like washing the engines.
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Mover
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02:42 PM on 07/26/2011
Please try to avoid insulting firefighters by comparing their hard work to anything Obama does.
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04:12 PM on 07/25/2011
Don't understand why they don't take a plan and work it - like the grand bargain. There was also plan b, the gang of prix, CC&B, reid/mcconnell, etc etc. Must be political grandstanding.
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Mover
Father, Husband, Ret 1SG
02:48 PM on 07/26/2011
The problem is that Obama has no clues and must follow the ideological teaching of those who have his ear, and they are morons where being an American is concerned. So we are in real trouble this time.

Besides, it's part of the 'never let a crisis go to waste' agenda. If you can see an impending crisis, slough it off until it becomes an immediate crisis then start blaming everyone but yourself and your mentors.

Be afraid, be very afraid.
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03:14 PM on 07/26/2011
Ob must be on the phone with Schumer, Reid and Pelosi every ten minutes...
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sexywhiteboy53
America First!!
04:05 PM on 07/25/2011
I think the Reps should vote for this plan, sounds good to me!! we cannot let the country default!!
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realpolitic
When in Rome.......
03:53 PM on 07/25/2011
"After another round of failed negotiations with Republicans over the weekend, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Sunday night laid out Democratic leaders' latest — and likely final — proposal for a deficit reduction deal: $2.7 trillion in cuts, a debt ceiling hike through the end of 2012 and no revenues."

How do Republicans always get there way?   They are just crazy enough to shut government down or make the country lose its credit worthiness so they make very tough bargainers.  If Democrats present experts, even non-partisan ones to talk about how ruinous a default would be, Tea Party acolytes just mindlessly say they do not believe there will be ill results no matter what expert speaks his mind. It is like trying to bargain with a rock.  However, Democrats have the Oval Office and Senate and we do not have a Republican administration.  Why should we keep capitulating to them?  We obviously need revenues and if we can not get them then Obama, after the election, should let the all the Bush tax breaks lapse.
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Mover
Father, Husband, Ret 1SG
02:53 PM on 07/26/2011
Shutting down the government is not a problem. Even with Obama trying to frighten the elderly, disabled and veterans with the possibility of not sending the checks.

Well, I have to be honest, I collect a military retirement check and my wife receives a disability check each month.

If there is no deal and the the checks aren't sent, as Obama threatened, then so be it. We can make it for a week or two, or even a month. When they finally get a deal, which they will eventually, we will get our checks, along with the back pay.

Anyone who couldn't get by for a short time without government checks is doing it wrong.
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realpolitic
When in Rome.......
04:44 PM on 07/26/2011
Why is telling the truth that checks may not be sent out trying to frighten someone in your way of thinking?
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Mover
Father, Husband, Ret 1SG
06:42 AM on 07/27/2011
Obama would not negotiate, so the Speaker went to the Senate to bargain. Harry, much to my surprise, put a plan on the table: Something the president has not done.

Hmmm, maybe Harry should be president. Even though he is a simp like Obama, at least he is showing some leadership. That is something that has so far eluded President Obama.
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realpolitic
When in Rome.......
04:45 PM on 07/27/2011
Obama almost gave away the store. Democrats in Congress were furious that he was willing to so tilt the negotiations in favor of what Republicans wanted.  You sure believe Fox News nonsense.
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cathyjs
03:50 PM on 07/25/2011
Look at the graph at the bottom of this article and then try to say obama has not spent more borrowed money faster than any other president.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14285268
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sexywhiteboy53
America First!!
04:09 PM on 07/25/2011
very nice graph!!
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05:16 PM on 07/25/2011
Please do not inject facts into delusion, it confuses those running blind yelling....Obama...Obama...Obama. (sarcasm on).
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I was born.
03:39 PM on 07/25/2011
So much effort, such long and hard negotiations, and it's all just to make millionaires billionaires.
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sfizi
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03:33 PM on 07/25/2011
This guy's a trip..
03:32 PM on 07/25/2011
The conservative posters here have a LOT in common with Boehner.....

BOTH are LOSING GROUND STEADILY.
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Mover
Father, Husband, Ret 1SG
03:23 PM on 08/01/2011
You may want to rethink that remark.

Speaker Boehner and the Tea Partisans have moved the debate from "how much more can we tax the American people" to "how much can we cut while not raising taxes in a no-jobs 'recovery'".

That's a win in my book. Especially when you consider that the Speaker only controls one half of one third of the federal government.