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Harry Reid's Debt Proposal Will Leave Entitlement Benefits Untouched

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First Posted: 07/25/11 01:18 PM ET Updated: 09/24/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-Nev.) $2.7 trillion debt ceiling proposal will not include reforms to the benefit structure of entitlement programs, several Democratic sources confirmed on Monday.

The plan, which is being crafted as a last-minute attempt to break through the political impasse on a deficit reduction package, would instead lean heavily on cuts to discretionary spending. The package will also reportedly include roughly $1 trillion in savings that will come from the drawdown of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (which the Congressional Budget Office does score). Reid's office was notably hesitant to confirm that detail, cautioning reporters to wait until the final package is unveiled. That said, if entitlement programs remain more or less untouched in the plan, there would be few other areas from which to draw ten-year savings.

Word that Reid is taking entitlements off the table will come as welcome news to Democrats who are still smarting from the idea that the party has gone from demanding a "clean" debt ceiling bill to willingly backing $2.7 trillion in cuts without measures to increase revenue. The Obama administration had offered to support an increase in Medicare's eligibility age, the means-testing of certain Medicare programs, cuts to Medicaid benefits and a restructuring of the payments of Social Security benefits as part of a grand bargain with Republicans. GOP leadership ultimately rejected that proposal over complaints that the president was insistent that additional tax revenues be added to the mix to round out the plan.

A top Democratic aide confirmed on Monday that none of those specific entitlement reforms will be included in the party's most current debt-ceiling proposal. As for cuts to Medicaid or Medicare providers -- namely hospitals and pharmaceutical companies -- that remains less clear. According to House Majority Leader Eric Cantor's (R-Va.) office, both parties agreed to $334 to $353 billion in health savings during talks organized by Vice President Joseph Biden. Those talks, which never resulted in a formal agreement, do serve as one pillar of the $2.7 trillion proposal that Reid has put forward. But one Democratic source, who has been plugged into negotiations, says that Medicaid, at the very least, will not be touched under the Reid plan.

In addition to the policy specifics, there remain questions about the politics of the proposal: namely, can Reid's package of cuts pass through Congress? As the Nevada Democrat constructs his plan, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) is charting a decidedly different path, one that would require two votes and the creation of a powerful deficit reduction committee to suggest future entitlement reform. While Democrats have insisted that they will oppose any measure that did not get the debt ceiling raised through the 2012 elections, Republicans have responded by saying that Reid is giving Obama a "blank check" to raise the debt ceiling.

He's not, of course. The cuts that the Majority Leader is proposing as a condition for raising the debt ceiling are real and they will, strategically, be drawn from Republican suggestions -- specifically the budget proposed by House Budget Committee Chair Paul Ryan (R-Wis.).

"The package will include only cuts that Republicans have previously agreed to," said the aide. "It is a similar tact to the short term [continuing resolution], when they jammed us with cuts that we similarly agreed to which made it hard for us to oppose.... All the cuts are cuts they supported in the past, that they either offered in the Biden negotiations or that were picked from Paul Ryan's budget."

One feature of Ryan's budget, for what it's worth, was the $1 trillion in savings that would come from the drawdown of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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WASHINGTON -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-Nev.) $2.7 trillion debt ceiling proposal will not include reforms to the benefit structure of entitlement programs, several Democratic sources con...
WASHINGTON -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-Nev.) $2.7 trillion debt ceiling proposal will not include reforms to the benefit structure of entitlement programs, several Democratic sources con...
 
 
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Brian Novotny
What happened to Democracy?
09:02 PM on 07/27/2011
Social Security and Medicare should be untouchable, as they are separate entities altogether. Harming either of those will have some serious side effects which will make matters worse, not better. The drug program that Bush put through however, should be revamped. Social security and medicaid could be modified, like income restructuring limits, payments, and so forth, but the fundamental elements should remain unscathed. Social security was and is still self sufficient and has been stolen from time and time again to pay for Republican wars and tax cuts. People pay for these services and have been for a long time, and that should be a big no touch, at least NOT ON MY WATCH for Obama
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CarlIII
Liberal Virginian living in Remlap Alabama
12:29 PM on 07/31/2011
It's not right to cut entitlements to pay for Tax cuts. This is wrong and unfair. Tax the rich now.
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RadCenter
01:58 PM on 07/27/2011
So, in other words, we don't know what the plan contains.
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mitsecl
Don't mistake kindness for weakness...
11:22 AM on 07/30/2011
It cuts more than Boehner's.....and NOtaxes......why won't Reps take that??? Because the goal of TP/ GOP is to privatize Medicare for insurance companies and SS for banks.....
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DarkandStormyNight
Got moral compass?
12:52 PM on 07/27/2011
miahurley 71 Fans Become a fan Unfan
3 hours ago (9:34 AM) Why? When you hate this country so much and there are so many socialist countries you could be so much happier in?
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That's the mistake that people make. Just because someone may have a liberal philosophy - meaning I believe we the tax payers deserve what we pay for and that should include a safety net in the form of unemployment, health care a host of other programs designed to pull people out of poverty up into the middle class. It's the middle class who pay most of the taxes and spent most of the money in this Country. The more you shrink the middle class, the less consumers there are... you see where I'm going with this? I love my Country. Republicans, despite all the rhetoric we hear, do not own what it means to be patriotic.
02:51 PM on 07/27/2011
Another fact dealing with people in poverty, that you won't be able to handle, Dark Night! The poverty rate when President Johnson started the Great Society in 65 was @ 14%. After trillions of dollars the poverty rate is @ 14.3%. It takes "people" to educate, self-improvement, give up bad behavior and @ times financial help for to lift "themselves" out of these situations. Wonder how much of "your" money do you donate to food banks, homeless shelters, etc? Less than 5% of your money!! This President's actions have contributed to that rate along with unemployment; yet your lack of honesty and intelligence continues to blame everything on the Repubs.
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DarkandStormyNight
Got moral compass?
07:21 PM on 07/27/2011
Staulk much? You'll need to stop it or I shall report you.
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DarkandStormyNight
Got moral compass?
07:28 PM on 07/27/2011
You know nothing of my life and what I do just as I know nothing about you and I wouldn't pretend otherwise.
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petcraft
10:15 AM on 07/27/2011
CURRENT beneficiaries, those already on these programs should NOT be terrorized by fears of 'deletion' of what they have worked their lives to attain.
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petcraft
10:13 AM on 07/27/2011
what ever new reforms are made to Medicare & Social Security beneficiaries should NOT affect existing members but those coming into the future. These people, not yet eligible for these benefits, will have the chance to PREPARE for them & SAVE accordingly. We are ALL affected by what is going on in some way or another, but provisions must be made for future generations.
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gjmjoe017
George Soros is really our President!
09:34 AM on 07/27/2011
Obama claims that he has a balanced budget plan. It's exactly one half smoke and one half mirrors!!!!
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Debbie McPherson
12:21 PM on 07/27/2011
Two things we know for sure about Obama ---he is a walking, talking deceiver AND he clearly hates America and Americans.....everything he has done and is doing proves this out....
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wayne the pain
03:20 PM on 07/26/2011
A great win! This is what the Republicans wanted all along! Then Obama injected that he would be willing to cut social programs and Boehner couldn't believe how inept Obama was at negotiating. This rube from Ohio has outpointed the intellect from Harvard so badly that if it were a fight they would stop it. The poor law professor certainly didn't get any "street smarts" from his days as a community organizer in Chicago. He did con us liberals in 08 and he is back trying to do it again, just recently with Gays and Hispanics. We are gullible but not those Republicans,they know how to clean his clock!
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Debbie McPherson
12:03 PM on 07/27/2011
Obama has always wanted to cut entitlements --- he is of course a Republican trying to decieve us as he is posing as a Democrat, that is why he is expanding wars and that is why he extended tax cuts to the top 5%, that is why we got a healthcare bill with no public option -which could easily have been shoved through at the time------he has proven again and again that he is crazed, incompetent and has no concern for the American people.He is a walking, talking deceiver and he needs a real primary challenger.....this man is a dangerous fraud. Just like the GOP he has two goals --expanding the corporate empires through never ending wars and serving his criminal international banking bosses.
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wayne the pain
12:42 PM on 07/27/2011
Truer words were never spoken! How long will it take the rest of the country to figure it out. He is Barak Mugabi!!!
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DarkandStormyNight
Got moral compass?
12:56 PM on 07/27/2011
Where do you see a win?
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wayne the pain
01:21 PM on 07/27/2011
Sarcasm son, sarcasm! With apologies to Foghorn Leghorn!
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patdelb4
11:45 AM on 07/26/2011
Reid's bill is a no brainer...
Cut 2.7 and raise 2.7 which means no cuts and 2.7 trillion more for the Democrats and Obama to Spend.
It's simple as a household budget.
If you have credit card bills along with other bills you cut out something you can do without such as cable and maybe even a cell phone and that would give you extra money to pay on the credit card without borrowing and pay it off sooner and this you continue until things get better and you can afford the cell phone and cable again.
The Government must do the same Cut/Cap and Balance without borrowing.
The Government does have enough funds coming in every month to pay on the bills, there should be no threats to Social Security recipients or any retirees of getting their checks.
Obama and Geithner along with other Democrats are using these tactics without cause.
We definitely don't need to be in volved in any war right now but we could use tropps to secure our Borders.
Go ahead cut the loop holes on the wealthy and then they will pay their fair share without raisng their income tax rate, this will surely bring in more revenue.
We could save alot of money by forcing the illegals out and not paying for their medical or incarceration just send them home.
If the Feds would just do their Jobs we would not be fighting them to do their Jobs.
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computedtomo
'Bout time this town had a new sheriff.
09:10 AM on 07/26/2011
"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 23% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-four percent (44%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21. Forty-four percent (44%) of Democrats Strongly Approve while 75% of Republicans Strongly Disapprove. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 18% Strongly Approve and 42% Strongly Disapprove. "
WOW! HOPE and CHANGE are real!
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ObamaRican
Easier to curse the dark than look for light!
11:51 AM on 07/26/2011
But 65 percent disapprove of the GOP’s handling of jobs, compared to 52 percent for the president.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/more-americans-unhappy-with-obama-on-economy-jobs/2011/07/25/gIQABJ9sZI_story.html
F4flyr
a Squadron Commander in the War of the Classes
07:37 PM on 07/26/2011
comp...'there you go again'...live with your polls...you sleep with them, too?...I am waiting for you to make a reasoned, researched comment about.....well......anything, especially as pertains to the economy or a republican candidate or something pertaining to trade or world commerce...can you do that, skippy?
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computedtomo
'Bout time this town had a new sheriff.
08:40 PM on 07/26/2011
"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 24% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -19"
Jimmy Carter said today that his "legacy" was in a little better shape after this week.
09:09 AM on 07/26/2011
It is disgusting that they are looking into restructuring the small social security payments... how do you restructure almost no money? people can not live on it as it stands today anyway... why not grow some and demand rich pay their fair share... no one is so stupid that the option for that keeps getting immediatly removed from the table... stop abusing poor and elderly citizens.. we pay out taxes... start doing the job of collecting taxes where they are not being adequately accounted for... come on... grow up and stop appeasing the rich.
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dvtaz
Conservative to the core. Make my day!
08:52 AM on 07/26/2011
Harry, Harry, Harry. The only place your bill is going is the big round file to be shredded with your other ideas.
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Tom Payned
Card carrying member of ACLU
04:51 AM on 07/26/2011
Since St. Ronnie is the Republicants hero, let's return the tax rate to the one in effect during the dithering side kick of the Bonzo chimp movies.

The average top marginal rate during Reagan’s presidency was 53.4%, also significantly higher than today’s top rate. Taxes on capital gains have crept as high as 40%, more than double today’s rate of 15%.

http://www.thefourthbranch.com/tag/tax-rates-during-reagans-presidency/
04:40 AM on 07/26/2011
AIPAC 101 — What Every American Should Know
http://vimeo.com/23674530
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computedtomo
'Bout time this town had a new sheriff.
09:21 AM on 07/26/2011
That is antisemitic propaganda! Israel is the only Democratic government in that part of the world. They are completely surrounded by hostile nations that have sworn to destroy them. If Israel were left alone to live in peace and exist, then there would be peace in the Middle East. Israel is not the aggressor and you should educate yourself before disseminating more of that distorted antisemitic propaganda.
03:37 AM on 07/27/2011
Maybe you should read more, but thats what the unintelligent say.
http://rense.com/general86/zelephant.htm
http://www.davidicke.com/articles/political-manipulation-mainmenu-72/42734-they-dare-not-speak-its-name-rothschild-zionism
real Jewish people who do love AMerica speak out of the dangers. so calling a antisemtic to semitic is hypocrital and is amusing.
maybe you should read what real jewish people think -who do love this country and see the dangers of the past.
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=647
Friends, I dont know any friends that will dance and happy yelping and video taping when terrosim is happening, like on 9/11 the individauls that were arrested from Isreal who video taped and were dancing and hollering when the buildings fell and 3000 died If you like that you sick, I call that sick. No I respect the ones that love this country, AMerica but the ones who try to harm its and its people, they are not friends. Proganda yes you need to read, badly. Maybe read about the USS liberty to, http://www.ozconspiracyhouse.org/frontend/2011/07/16/29-reasons-why-america-should-cut-off-ties-with-israel-aipac-and-the-neocons/
If you have frineds like that, I wonder why your clueless.
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jsanti7
Sin's a Good Mans Brother I Know Both
03:49 AM on 07/26/2011
From a well-known conservative economist Martin Feldstein described tax expenditures in a recent oped in the Wall Street Journal. He said, “Cutting tax expenditures is really the best way to reduce government spending.” Let me repeat that: “Cutting tax expenditures,” according to Martin Feldstein, “is really the best way to reduce government spending.... [E]liminating tax expenditures does not increase marginal tax rates or reduce the reward for saving, investment or risk-taking. It would also increase overall economic efficiency by removing incentives that distort private spending decisions. And eliminating or consolidating the large number of overlapping tax-based subsidies would also greatly simplify tax filing. In short, cutting tax expenditures is not at all like other ways of raising revenue.” That is from an economic perspective from a conservative economist.

To take that off the table from either side just proves no politician in Washington is standing up to the task of taking on the things that caused the deficit let alone the debt.
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jockmama
03:39 AM on 07/26/2011
"Entitlement" is a very negative word, as we can see from the Republican rhetoric. Yet... In at least some cases, it's very true. I worked all my adult life and payed into Social Security and Medicare. So, yes, I believe I AM entitled to get my money back eventually. Those deductions were basically an interest-free loan to the federal government, and I have no guarantee whatsoever that I'll live long enough to get a penny of it back. But if I DO, I feel I am totally entitled to pick up my marker. Welfare and Medicaid are a bit different, in that recipients didn't pay into the fund they're drawing on. But the first "Right" Jefferson wrote into the Declaration was "Life." So, yes, we ARE required to do all we can to preserve the life of every American citizen. And no citizen should be deprived of the means to remain alive just because they're poor. Conservatives LOVE to portray the poor as shameless sponges living the good life while sucking on the taxpayer teat, but nobody PLANS to be poor. Nobody WANTS to be poor. Nobody would STAY poor if they had any choice whatsoever.
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Tom Payned
Card carrying member of ACLU
04:32 AM on 07/26/2011
The Republicans are turning entitlements into the same thing as private insurance companies have turned policies into. A mandate that must be paid, yet despite the agreement under which you began living up to your end, the insurance company decided what they will actually give you.

What we used to call that when the Mafia did it, was called the "protection" racket. They took your money said you'd be protected by them, when in fact, the service they provided was they wouldn't come in and rob you blind.

Now that I've written this, it appears we got a better deal from the Mafia, for the Republicants want to rob us blind. Actually, they have robbed us blind. TARP, Bush using the Social Security "Lock Box" to give two tax cuts, pay for two wars, a sweetheart deal to big Pharma. Now that the bill is due, they don't want to pay back the money they stole.
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AxelDC
06:33 AM on 07/26/2011
People are entitled to them because they paid 12% of their paychecks to them their entire working lives.  Republicans don't like them because the rich are sheltered from payroll taxes with the highly regressive cap on income that is taxed.