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John Boehner Debt Ceiling Plan May Still Trigger S&P Downgrade: Report

First Posted: 07/25/11 11:14 PM ET Updated: 09/24/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Minutes before House Speaker John Boehner delivered a prime-time address in which he framed his latest deficit-reduction deal as a silver bullet for the nation's economic uncertainty, reports surfaced that the plan being crafted by the Ohio Republican would potentially lead to a downgrading of the AAA credit rating of the United States.

In an address that immediately followed the president's own, Boehner argued that if the president were to merely sign into law his latest deficit-reduction bill -- which slashes more than a trillion dollars in spending before requiring a second tranche of cuts and a second vote -- "the 'crisis' atmosphere he has created will simply disappear."

It was a fairly bold selling of a plan that -- in terms of both the size of cuts and structural reforms -- fell far short of what the Speaker had been negotiating with the White House prior to those negotiations ending this weekend. It also was delivered with an unfortunate backdrop. Just minutes before Boehner spoke, CNN's Erin Burnett relayed word from her sources on Wall Street that the newest Republican plan would not satisfy the credit rating agencies, which have soured on the idea of a short-term solution to the debt ceiling debate. Rather, it was Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's approach (padded by counting the savings from the drawdown of troops from Afghanistan and Iraq) that would calm their nerves.

"I think it is important to emphasize that most people think both of the plans are really Band-Aids and don't deal in any significant way with the spending and cost issues in the country," Burnett said. "The issue was that Speaker Boehner's plan does not cut enough spending right away. Harry Reid's plan would cut about $2.7 trillion. Just because it is bigger than Speaker Boehner's plan is really the reason the Boehner plan may still trigger a downgrade."

Burnett was far from equivocal. At one point she added that, per a conversation with an investor, "in the short material, either deal will probably be enough." But then she went back to waxing skeptically at the Boehner approach.

"Really interesting this afternoon, when I was talking to an investor who had met with the ratings agencies at Standard & Poor, talking about the potential of a downgrade -- which by the way could raise interest rates the same way a potential default could -- and they said the Boehner plan probably wouldn't hit the hurdle to prevent a downgrade," she added. "Even if that deal was reached, you could still get a downgrade. It is unclear whether that would happen for sure, but that would be a real possibility. Whereas the Reid plan, even though a lot of the parts of that are seen by many as gimmicks, probably would pass that hurdle and you wouldn't get that immediate downgrade. That's an interesting distinction."

In actuality, the distinction is rather bland. The crux of the difference between the Reid and Boehner approaches is that one would last through the 2012 election by counting the so-called peace-dividend while the other one would require another vote as well as a (likely-to-fail) vote on the balanced budget amendment. Beyond that, they are fairly similar -- each using the cuts agreed to during talks organized by Vice President Joseph Biden, each setting up a powerful congressional committee to find additional deficit-reduction measures.

Clearly, however, the market isn't enamored with going through the same political drama once more. As The New York Times' Nate Silver noted, the Dow Jones futures dropped sharply during the course of Obama's and Boehner's speech.

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WASHINGTON -- Minutes before House Speaker John Boehner delivered a prime-time address in which he framed his latest deficit-reduction deal as a silver bullet for the nation's economic uncertainty, re...
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serialcoma 02:36 PM on 07/26/2011
Will someone please bulldoze the House of Representatives:



While the rest of the country focuses on the looming deadline to raise the nation’s debt ceiling, House Republicans are taking advantage of the distraction to  Read More...
07:37 AM on 07/30/2011
Its very disingenuous to offer a plan that you know will go nowhere, just to save face.
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nnealj1
07:35 AM on 07/29/2011
Never had any grand expectations of John Boehner...always looked too much like barroom bartender in the local tavern that his family ran for ages...
Looks more like the typical barkeep, behind the bar, ready to throw bull at patrons, because it's pretty much what he's been doing with the American public since he acquired his leadership position in the House, just throwing the bull at us...
08:04 PM on 07/28/2011
This debt ceiling fiasco, is fake. The debt is the money the US government owes the PEOPLE. Yes , you and me! They have commingled the SS funds with the general fund and spent our money and now they don't know how to pay it back except to raise taxes more from us!. Well, we've already paid in the money. The People working in DC, all 545 of them, have squandered the treasury of the people and THEY are the ones that have committed treason against us! They gave the money away to their military contractor friends and now they claim there is nothing left for us. They gave over $2+ Trillion to the banksters. Why don't we charge the banksters that same rate of borrowing they charge us on credit cards-29%. That should help pay down the debt! If they can't pay us then we need to fire them and create a new government of the PEOPLE and a new banking system. Let the the corporate US go bankrupt, and shut the black hole down.
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MrEMT
05:05 PM on 07/28/2011
The success of the GOP is predicated on the predictability of their foolishness. Corporations count on them to sell out. Sometimes, their foolishness amazes us all though.
04:26 PM on 07/28/2011
The ratings agencies BOUGHT the idea that there were such things as magical risk balancing bonds, in which you could mix good mortgages with bad ones, and make the, ALL SAFE as an investment. They rated them AAA!!!!!, when in fact, they were, form the moment of their creation, Junk, based on their obvious levels of risk.

It is beyond me how anyone has confidence in THEM under any circumstance, much less in their ability to accurately gauge the credit worthiness of the entire US economy.

Despite that, If our supposed elected representatives, from the president down, from both parties, allow this to happen, we should vote them ALL out of office.

Regardless of party. Just leave not a single incumbent in office. THAT would go a long way towards restoring our credibility.
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VANDERGRAAFK
Teacher
08:28 PM on 07/27/2011
That Mr. Boehner, with a straight face, can denounce a deficit, 5 trillion of which can be traced directly back to the 4 years of absolute GOP control and 2 years of nominal control, without mentioning the Bush presidency is sheer hypocrisy. That too many Americans buy into this baloney is even worse. Those Republicans got rid of pay-go. They kept funding for the Iraq War off budget. And, Bush bequeathed to incoming President Obama a hemorraging economy and a TARP program. Yes, Obama got Congress to buy into an underwhelming stimulus package that ran up short term deficts and included worthless tax incentives. But, these stimulus packages ultimately will pay off. It's hard to see how war spending and tax cuts to the ueber wealthy benefit anyone.

Tax increases might depress the economy if they further reduced demand. Restoring tax levels to the ueber rich and eliminating the hedge fund manager con game with respect to capital participation would hardly damage an economy. The rich already have too much. Such tax increases might reduce their savings, savings that are dead to the extent that capital fears investing in a moribund economy.

Mr. President, have the audacity to call their bluff. Veto economic nonsense and policies designed only to destroy a safety net that Republicans have opposed since the Great Depression. If that means a technical default, so be it. Let the Republicans explain their intranigence to their corporate sponsors. Let the fallout begin!
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rustysc
One of the many "little People"
05:07 PM on 07/27/2011
sugarfree John Boehner tears are FAKE, Boehner true colors are shinning through at this moment. If you want to cut Medicaid which help the poor, who was Boehner crying for i ask?

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He only cries when he talks about himself! Crybaby, pi**ypants!
01:37 PM on 07/27/2011
The only perfect thing on the video clip was Erin Burnett. What a beauty!
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Peter Boehringer
Dona nobis pacem
09:56 AM on 07/27/2011
Boehner said the bigger the government the smaller the people, but he voted over and over again during the Bush years to enlarge the government, even allowing Bush to keep his wars off the books. Boehner is willing to tell any lie that makes a good sound bite. He voted for tax cuts for the rich, he voted to fund the wars, he voted to raise the debt ceiling, he voted for the bank bailout, all of which made the government bigger. Now he sheds drunken crocodile tears about the massive dept, which he wants to blame on Obama, but check out the following url: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/obamas-and-bushs-effect-on-the-deficit-in-one-graph/2011/07/25/gIQAELOrYI_blog.html?fb_ref=NetworkNews&fb_source=home_multiline
08:40 AM on 07/27/2011
Interesting
04:17 AM on 07/27/2011
Boehner looked very bad. He trying to give cheap shot while America burns.
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thepostalfeminist
03:59 AM on 07/27/2011
I have a very important question for Speaker Boehner. You, Sir, are the leader of the House of Representatives. According to the Constitution of the United States, bills to raise revenue to keep the country solvent and to keep it running and able to able to secure the blessings of liberty and justice for all. But all of the Republicans in the Congress have sworn an oath (to Grover Norquist) to never raise taxes. That means no revenue. That means that the people who are elected to the House of Representatives have sworn an oath to NOT do their job. Please explain why you should not ALL be impeached, immediately!
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Vikingdave
When vikings were just little.
01:12 PM on 07/27/2011
Excellent post.
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lewk0117
05:17 PM on 07/27/2011
This is why we need a CLEAN SLATE, at LEAST every 4 - 6 years. Politics should NOT be a career. That's what it has become, and all they are looking out for are their own jobs; not the American People.
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VANDERGRAAFK
Teacher
08:31 PM on 07/27/2011
A typical poorly thought solution. California led the country in term limits. It has led to a rank amateur legislative group. The replacement of experienced legislators with the non-term limited support staff and lobbyists who in most respects run government today. It's not representatives who are to blame; it's the party (Republican) that offers economic idiocy and moral invasiveness to the great detriment of the US.
10:56 PM on 07/26/2011
I THINK OBMAN IS USING THE LIBYAN WAR, THE AFGHAN WAR AND THE IRAQ WAR AS PART OF A EXTENDED STIMULUS PACKAGE. IMAGINE HOW THE UNEMPLOYMENT WILL SOAR WAY BEYOND 9.2 % IF WE BRING OUR TROOPS HOME AND DON'T FEED THE WAR MACHINE WITH TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
08:20 PM on 07/28/2011
The amount of money being spent on the war does NOT help our economy. All that money is going overseas, offshore accounts, so the US can destroy other countries, to then claim they will help "rebuild". The war game is a sham. We need stop running around the world chasing the boogy man and rebuild America with new, low cost to run energy grid . That's where the money should go. The government can print money at zero interest if they want. That's what JFK was planning. He wanted to get rid of the corrupt fiat Federal reserve system that is bleeding us dry. 1/2 Trillion! every year goes into the pockets of the greedy banksters. They trade $3.5 trillion every DAY on the forex market. So where the hell is all the money??!! Time to audit the congress, the fed and find out what is really going on. I don't see why we even need a federal government. We can manage the programs just as easily at the state level, keep it in our towns. Issue interest free state dollars, to rebuild our towns. Offer interest free loans to small business. What does it cost to issue money? The paper - 2 cents!
AgingLady
laughter is best medicine
10:52 PM on 07/26/2011
Too little, too late. Absolutely. No question marks. We will be down-graded no matter what happens. Waaay too uncertain climate for business.
heronpoint
My micro-bio is empty
10:52 PM on 07/26/2011
Boehner is not up to the job; he should step aside.
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dollbaby
Spice...."The Toughest Fighter."
12:01 AM on 07/27/2011
no he shouldn't......he could do his job if his reps would cooperate. You can't sign your soul over to people on the far sides of any position, and do your job well in DC
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RMorr2002
12:29 AM on 07/27/2011
If that is the criteria, obama should have stepped aside long ago!   He has been over his head since day1!
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Lanny Clifford
It isn't what it really is.
07:15 AM on 07/27/2011
No Obama is not over his head. He's over whelmed with hatred by right wing extremist meaning the entire GOP/TP. If anyone was ever over his head and should have stepped down, It's George Bush. You know, The A== Hole that got us into this mess.
Let us never forget.