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First Posted: 07/25/2011 8:50 pm Updated: 09/24/2011 5:12 am

By David Gibson
Religion News Service

(RNS) For years, many religious and political conservatives in the U.S. have sought to connect Islam to violence carried out by Muslims, and argued that Muslims often fail to denounce terrorism committed by Islamic extremists.

But in the wake of the horrific attacks in Norway by a right-wing extremist who identified himself as a Christian warrior against Islam, many of those American conservatives are finding themselves on the defensive, especially after some of them prematurely portrayed the terror attacks as the works of Muslims.

Mark Juergensmeyer, author "Terror in the Mind of God," noted close parallels between the 32-year-old Norwegian man, Anders Behring Breivik, who killed at least 76 people in coordinated attacks on government buildings in Oslo and a youth rally at a nearby island, and Timothy McVeigh, the anti-government radical behind the 1995 Oklahoma City
bombing.

"If [Osama] bin Laden is a Muslim terrorist, Breivik and McVeigh are surely Christian ones," Juergensmeyer, a professor of sociology at the University of California, Santa Barbara, wrote on the blog Religion Dispatches.

"Breivik was fascinated with the Crusades and imagined himself to be a member of the Knights Templar, the crusader army of a thousand years ago."

"But in an imagined cosmic warfare time is suspended, and history is transcended as the activists imagine themselves to be acting out timeless roles in a sacred drama. The tragedy is that these religious fantasies are played out in real time, with real and cruel consequences."

New York Times columnist Roger Cohen made the connection even more explicit:

"Breivik has many ideological fellow travelers on both sides of the Atlantic," Cohen wrote in an essay titled "Breivik and His Enablers" and posted on Monday. "Theirs is the poison in which he refined his murderous resentment."

Blogger Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs piled on, saying that right-wing provocateurs "who spew apocalyptic rhetoric and refuse to denounce the extremists among them now have the very real blood of children on their hands."

The finger of blame tended to point toward people like Pamela Geller, the anti-Islamist writer who helped foment opposition to a mosque planned near Ground Zero.

Breivik's 1,500-page manifesto cites a number of American writers who denounce Islam and promote Western culture, such as Geller and Robert Spencer, who operates the Jihad Watch website.

Geller and Spencer did not take kindly to the associations.

"Attempts to link us to these murders on the basis of alleged postings by the murderer mentioning us are absurd and offensive," Geller wrote at her website, Atlas Shrugs. Breivik "is responsible for his actions. He and only he."

Spencer also rejected suggestions that Breivik "has anything remotely to do with anything we have ever advocated." In a later blog posting, he grew even more defiant: "The Breivik murders are being used to discredit all resistance to the global jihad and Islamic supremacism. But we're stealing it back."

Other conservatives deployed calmer arguments to put distance between Breivik and conservatism and Christianity, much as Muslims try to distinguish between "genuine" Islam and the actions of extremists.

New York Times columnist Ross Douthat argued that Breivik bore much the same relationship to conservatism as the notorious anti-technology Unabomber, Theodore Kaczynski, did to Al Gore's environmentalism --
which is to say, hardly any.

Douthat instead advised his fellow conservatives to push back against such analogies -- and what he saw as liberal efforts to exploit the tragedy for political gain -- by acknowledging Breivik as a "right-winger" but at the same time reasserting the truth of their own convictions about Islam and the wider cultural peril facing the West. If Breivik shared some of those convictions, Douthat argued, his actions don't automatically invalidate them.

Bruce Bawer, who lives in Oslo and is author of "Surrender: Appeasing Islam, Sacrificing Freedom," made a similar argument in The Wall Street Journal, writing that Breivik had hurt his cause.

"In Norway, to speak negatively about any aspect of the Muslim faith has always been a touchy matter, inviting charges of 'Islamophobia' and racism," Bawer wrote. "It will, I fear, be a great deal more difficult to broach these issues now that this murderous madman has become the poster boy for the criticism of Islam."

In many respects, these conservatives are victims not only of their past rhetoric holding all Muslims to account for the actions of a few, but also of hair-trigger reflexes developed over years of fighting the culture wars.

Bawer and Geller initially blamed Muslims for the Norway attacks, as did conservative writers like John Hinderaker and Jennifer Rubin, a conservative columnist for The Washington Post. Last Friday, hours after the attack, Rubin wrote that "there is a specific jihadist connection" to the attacks and that the killings are "a sobering reminder for those who think it's too expensive to wage a war against jihadists."

Rubin had to shift her approach a bit when it turned out that a right-wing extremist was the culprit, but she stuck to her main point: "There are many more jihadists than blond Norwegians out to kill Americans, and we should keep our eye on the systemic and far more potent threats that stem from an ideological war with the West," she later wrote.

Perhaps the best lesson -- for conservatives and everyone else looking for obvious culprits and easy answers -- came from a Norwegian woman who visited the devastation in Oslo.

"If Islamic people do something bad, you think, 'Oh, it's Muslims,'?" Sigrid Skeie Tjensvoll told The Washington Post. "But if a white Protestant does something bad, you just think he's mad. That's something we need to think about."

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Bob Metcalfe
Caught at 1st. slip trying to cut
12:11 AM on 08/26/2011
"Other conservatives deployed calmer arguments to put distance between Breivik and conservatism and Christianity, much as Muslims try to distinguish between "genuine" Islam and the actions of extremists.

Ah the old out- 'Theyre not true ......' Gets religion right out of the firing line and abrogates all responsibility for anything evil done in god's name. :-)
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PtaRay
Admitted liberal, defender of the fringe democracy
06:00 PM on 07/27/2011
Too many confuse patriotism with religious belief as the same thing.
belief in god does not make you patriotic in most universes, but in the GOP, religious fundamentalism is the same as being as good American, because the faithful take you at your word, and in the GOP what you are told is what you do, since the supposed faithful claim the GOP as their party and thus the bearer of all thing true and just. Disregarding the fact that the only REAL religion is the one that passes through Jesus right?

the first sign that this idea is flawed, as Jesus was not a republican, nor was he white, nor even a "christian", he was sort of a reformed Pharisee, who realized that the greed and gold and monopoly on faith and compassion was lost on those who think they are guarenteed a ticket to heaven.

How a jewish man with radical religious ideas became the poster child for the greedy and self-righteous is always a mystery, considering all the tenents of the GOP/Tea party are based on the very opposite and completely upside-down virtues of wealth and prosperity being gifts for being cold hearted and uncompassionate to the weaker of our world.
06:45 PM on 07/27/2011
Fabulous! Fanned.
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eskatyt
Amicus omnibus, amicus nemini.
09:41 PM on 07/27/2011
Nicely said.
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PtaRay
Admitted liberal, defender of the fringe democracy
05:49 PM on 07/27/2011
When anyone is convinced they are doing the work of god and his blessing is backing their actions... the opportunity for crazy is fully open and most likely about to be embraced.

This guy is no different then any other radicalized wannabe who hides his hate and ignorance behind a deity which cannot be questioned nor speak in defense of the actions committed by the self-chosen who do his bidding by proxy. (self induced and justified proxy)

We've got them in our government, others have them in theirs too.

belief in a god is not the problem, but thinking he gives you special powers to determine the lives and deaths of others, and the political choices you make being blamed on him do seem to make the faithful look alot less credible overall.

Idiots who use god to justify their own hate and ignorance are not righteous, they are just idiots who hide behind god.
God stays out of political debates, as he does not do personal appearances, why can't the idiots who use his name see that too?
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NoSandwiches
11:56 PM on 07/26/2011
Nope it doesn't work that way. All Muslims are the same, whereas those who do things that you don't approve of aren't REAL Christians. Or so I see in the comments every time it is suggested that there are also extremist Christians....
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09:43 PM on 07/26/2011
It is clear that Breivik is insane. Any sane person would expect that to do what he did, target and kill only specific liberal-progressive christian political targets, and NOT MUSLIMS, would specifically bring about even more ISLAMAPPEASEMENT from every talking head in the world. The dead christians are not discussed and have become irrelevant and immaterial. Isnt that also insane?
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HotelDrama
09:29 PM on 07/26/2011
Isn't it time for all the Christians to start condemning this? Kinda like what they expect of all the Muslims around the world to do?
10:50 AM on 07/27/2011
I have no problem condemning this. As well, I've heard the cries of plenty of Muslims who condemn Al Qaida.
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HotelDrama
11:09 AM on 07/27/2011
But the masses of Christians need to condemn this, as expected of the Muslims. And the Christian leaders need to be vocal about it. Instead, we have many on the Right who are claiming that this guy can't be a Christian because he did this. These same people are the ones who claim that Muslims commit terrorism because of Islam, yet ignore the history and facts of violence committed by Christians.
08:11 PM on 07/26/2011
DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT MAKES A CHRISTIAN. KILLING CHILDREN IS NOT FOUND IN THE NEW TESTEMENT.
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Gregor53
Remembering your past gives power to the present.
08:31 PM on 07/26/2011
Why yell. Or the Qu'ran.
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As American As You Are
Vote out those who sign contracts.
08:36 PM on 07/26/2011
Exactly!
09:09 PM on 07/26/2011
But it's there a-plenty in the Old. Why are xtians always trying to disown the more unsavory parts of their religion and their god? Bad PR?
06:14 PM on 07/26/2011
The influences on Breivik are so far and wide that you cannot claim that it was only Christianity... however, the same can be said about every "Islamist" terrorist.

If Islam disappeared overnight, there would still be terrorists because there are still the core issues behind terrorism.
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H P
Vote ABC- Anybody But Cantor
04:52 PM on 07/26/2011
jesus teachings in the bible are radical socalist. just read the bible yourself. jesus was a liberal in the words of today. the conservatives of the time were the ones in power, the ones with all the money.
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almostlyniceguy
Not young enough to know everything..
10:19 PM on 07/26/2011
Amen. The Christians we have in the Republican party are in name only; Christianity of convenience to get elected.
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NoSandwiches
11:57 PM on 07/26/2011
Of course they reject the social hippy Jesus in favor of their own personal Jesus, the Jesus that helps those who help themselves, only speaks English and wants them to vote Republican.
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Nigel Patel
People who are against government, govern badly
08:48 AM on 07/27/2011
The Ayn Rand Jesus.
You know, a perfect title for a book about the Tea Party would be "Jesus Shrugged" .
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Mundane Egg
Decency is the new black.
09:18 AM on 07/27/2011
They are idolators.

F and F
03:02 PM on 07/26/2011
The problem we face is that extremist ideologies have been allowed to overtake conservatism and have transformed its associations (like the Republican Party) into forms of racism, xenophobia, Islamophobia, Christian triumphalism, homophobia, science denialism, and the bizarre belief that the upward redistribution of the nation's wealth is necessary and must continue apace. Acceptable political practice has been so degenerated that the ugliest forms of hatred and rapacity are held up by these organizations as, not only as acceptable, but commendable as well.

So after a proto-fascist in Norway gunned down 70 or so youths, who were attending a camp for the next generation of Labor Party leadership, we hear that somehow sharia law was behind their deaths (although the assassin was Christian). Somehow this mass murder has been allowed to be attributed to the phobias of those who practice the dumbing down of news on a regular basis, and those who are the objects of the dumbing down embrace this nonsense with a guileless belief in the "world" they have chosen to abide in.

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04:49 PM on 07/26/2011
Good stuff.
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Mundane Egg
Decency is the new black.
09:22 AM on 07/27/2011
Very well put. Fundamentalism has always strove to adopt these ultra conservative extreme beliefs. Fundamentalism is its own religion despite whether it is Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu etc.

F and F
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Gestas
Mountain Man
02:37 PM on 07/26/2011
Bill O'Reilly is just another Republican...Not much on History...Lots and lots of people killed in the name of Christ..Big Bad Bills Church has a deep history of Killing people that don't think the way they do. I'm not saying it's good or bad...Just another real good reason to seperate Church and State.
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songbookz
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02:27 PM on 07/26/2011
After Oslo, Christians are being judged by the same standards they (we) used to judge Muslims - which is, Biblically fair - (Matt. 7:2: For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
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Misterioso Adversario
THE THIRST MUTILATOR!
02:27 PM on 07/26/2011
A lot of people only seem to think that its religious extremism if the color of the extremist's skin is brown.
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Watching rock grow
It's a practice in patience
05:42 PM on 07/27/2011
So very true.
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01:38 PM on 07/26/2011
I'm reasonably familiar with the contents of Jihadwatch and the now defunct Dhimmiwatch over a period of several years. Jihadwatch functions as an aggregator of news concerning the war between Islam and the West--and the civil war within Islam--that is unavailable in the MSM.

I can say with some confidence that no one at Jihadwatch recommends the killing of innocents as a way to advance the anti-jihad agenda.

On the Islamic side of the war, things are a bit more complicated. Important Islamists define "innocent" differently than we do in the West:

Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi, spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and theorist for Islamists everywhere:

"He supports suicide attacks on all Israelis, including women[71][72] since he views the Israeli society as a "completely military" society that did not include any civilians.[73] He also considers pregnant women and their unborn babies to be valid targets on the ground that the babies could grow up to join the Israeli Army.[74]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_al-Qaradawi#Terrorism

http://archive.arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&article=53683&d=30&m=10&y=2004
06:11 PM on 07/26/2011
SIgh...

In other words, "we're blameless and never say anything nasty about the enemy, but if we do, here's the reason why we say those things...."
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06:21 PM on 07/26/2011
I believe it is your turn to provide a quote.

Sighs don't cut it.
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Skepticat
Supporting skeptical felines everywhere
06:47 PM on 07/26/2011
Jihadwatch however isn't the only game in town and doesn't have a lock on anti-Islamic sentiment. Problem with religious extremists is they can self identify with a faith without practicing any of the values that promote tolerance or decent behaviour. Thus you have white supremacists like the KKK claiming to defend "Christian values" while blowing up other Christian Churches, or Islamic fanatics killing off muslims not fanatical enough for their liking. Yusuf Qaradawi has some following true - but it's as much of a stretch to make him a theorist for muslims everywhere as it would be to claim the Westboro Baptists define Christian values.
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07:23 PM on 07/26/2011
but it's as much of a stretch to make him a theorist for muslims everywhere as it would be to claim the Westboro Baptists define Christian values.
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Really, really bad analogy.

Yusuf al-Qaradawi (Arabic: يوسف القرضاوي Yūsuf al-Qaraḍāwiy‎; born September 9, 1926) is an Egyptian Islamic theologian.

He is best known for his programme, ash-Shariah wal-Hayat ("Shariah and Life"), broadcast on Al Jazeera, which has an estimated audience of 40 million worldwide.[1][non-primary source needed]

He is also well-known for IslamOnline, a popular website he helped found in 1997 and for which he now serves as chief religious scholar.[2]

Al-Qaradawi has also published more than 80 books, including The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam and Islam: The Future Civilization.

He has also received eight international prizes for his contributions to Islamic scholarship,[3] and is considered one of the most influential such scholars living today.[1][4][5]

Al-Qaradawi has long had a prominent role within the intellectual leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood,[6] an Egyptian political organization, but twice (in 1976 and 2004) turned down offers for the official role in the organization.[1][7]

A 2008 Foreign Policy magazine poll placed al-Qaradawi at number three on its list of the top 20 public intellectuals worldwide.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_al-Qaradawi
06:37 PM on 07/27/2011
Great point.
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Chester Erickson
(R) moderate
12:45 PM on 07/26/2011
I think fundamenta­list right-wing Christians are all responsibl­e for this.

You had the opportunit­y to do exactly what Jesus taught, to love your enemy, be charitable­, and not pass judgment on anyone.

You had the opportunit­y to speak out against violence in any form, to build bridges to other faiths, and to set an example of peace and love for all.

You have chosen to speak out against Muslims, to judge them all by the actions of just a few, for a decade now.

You have chosen to spread your hate far and wide, to every mentally unbalanced person you can reach, without regard for anyone's safety.

One of yours did exactly what you've been preaching, now the responsibi­lity for it is on your doorstep.

I also think middle-of-­the-road Christians are responsibl­e. This fringe element has been festering under your protection­, and you haven't done squat to put a stop to it.

If you don't like taking the blame for this, too bad. Neither did all of the innocent and peaceful Muslims of the world in the years since 9/11.
01:10 PM on 07/26/2011
"I also think middle-of-­­the-road Christians are responsibl­­e. This fringe element has been festering under your protection­­, and you haven't done squat to put a stop to it."

Um, how would you know? You clearly aren't part of the moderate Christian community, so you wouldn't be aware of what countless other Christian movements and churches have been doing to counteract and speak out against fundamentalist hate for decades now. Because we haven't successfully "put a stop" to every dangerous fundie in the world, it's somehow our fault?

How about laying the blame on the person who did the killing? Generalizing a group - especially a group as historically diverse as Christians - is lazy and reactive.
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Mr Ruthless
I can smell your BS
02:03 PM on 07/26/2011
"Because we haven't successful­ly "put a stop" to every dangerous fundie in the world, it's somehow our fault?"

Some blame lies in the religion itself and if you help keep the religion alive than you must take some credit for the bad it creates. If this person set up a food drive for starving babies in the name of jesus you would be praising him but he does this act of violence and now he is 'not' a christian?
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smittlib77
02:19 PM on 07/26/2011
Well, what HAS the moderate christian community done to question the fundamentalist christian community about its theology, methods, and intentions? What are you all afraid of? Being told that you're to mind your own business and that you're not really a christian because you do not believe what they believe? The person is undoubtedly a fundamentalist christian. It's not generalizing when it is slapping you in the face and is standing right in front of you.

Any effort that HAS be made by moderate christians clearly isn't enough. What counter-fundamentalist movements are these? What are their names? What are the names of the churches that are doing this?
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01:11 PM on 07/26/2011
funny how all those people of the book resemble each other so much. the killing cousin religions.
03:39 PM on 07/26/2011
to project the blame onto hundreds of millions of people (but then not the whole of humanity) is ridiculous and stems from the same tendency you criticize here. you rally against christianity as many fundamentalist christians do against islam.