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'Fast And Furious' Weapons Scandal Fuels Immigration Debate

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First Posted: 07/27/11 04:10 PM ET Updated: 09/26/11 06:12 AM ET

A scandal involving the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms entered its latest phase on Tuesday when officials from the bureau testified at a congressional hearing on a failed operation that landed around 2,000 guns in the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

The operation, known as “Fast and Furious,” began in 2009 when the bureau essentially began allowing low-level cartel members to buy guns at Arizona gun stores -- the plan was to track the guns and tail the buyers back to their leaders in Mexico.

The plan didn't quite work out as expected. According to a report issued by a Republican congressional committee on Tuesday, more than 100 guns from the operation have turned up at crime scenes in Mexico or have been seized from people affiliated with the cartels, and the bureau has allegedly lost track of hundreds of others.

The congressional investigation and the botched operation that prompted it have cast a harsh light on the ATF. But it’s not just the bureau that’s coming under fire. Like just about every other news item relating to violent crime and the border, the scandal is also fanning the flames of a more wide-ranging and, for most Americans, familiar controversy: the immigration debate.

Advocates for tougher immigration laws are arguing that the whole debacle could have been avoided had the U.S. government done more to restrict immigration.

As for the proponents of immigrants’ rights, they’re insisting that firmer policies simply wouldn’t have had much effect on the flow of guns to Mexico one way or another.

Janice Kephart oversees national security issues for the Center for Immigration Studies, a D.C.-based think tank. In an interview after the hearing Tuesday, she blamed the scandal on the Obama administration.

“This administration has no border strategy,” she said. “There hasn’t been one articulated at all since this administration began, either verbally or in writing.”

Kephart is a hardcore opponent of illegal immigration who believes that the most efficient and effective way to stop the traffic of guns across the border would be to slow the traffic of people. The logic is simple (her opponents would call it simplistic): build a fence, and there won't be nearly as many immigrants crossing the border illegally. Keep out the illegals, and law enforcement agencies like the ATF won’t have to worry about people connected with Mexican drug cartels making trouble.

Asked to respond to these comments, an official with President Obama’s administration pointed to a document on border security released by the administration. It states, in part, that over the past two and a half years, the Department of Homeland Security has seized “75 percent more currency, 31 percent more drugs, and 64 percent more weapons along the Southwest border compared to two and a half years of the previous administration.”

The official also invoked a speech that the president gave on Monday in which he chastised Senate Republicans for blocking passage of the DREAM Act, an immigration reform measure that the president argued would have helped fix the country’s immigration system.

Another critic of the government's immigration policies is Michael W. Cutler, a former agent with the Immigration Naturalization Service. In a recent conversation, Cutler argued that naturalization process needs to be improved. He pointed to an instance several years ago in which the USCIS (formerly the INS) naturalized some 30,000 immigrants without consulting their files. (The agency claimed to have lost the files for those immigrants and about 80,000 others.)

Unless reforms are made to the process, Cutler said, terrorists and other violent criminals will continue to be able to enter the country and "hide in plain sight."

Sylvia Longmire, a retired Air Force captain and the author of “CARTEL: The Coming Invasion of Mexico's Drug Wars,” had this to say in response to criticisms of the government's immigration policies: “By curing illegal immigration, you’re not going to finish the weapons trafficking.”

In order to prevent drug cartels from acquiring weapons in the U.S., she said, Mexico would need to step up its customs enforcement. And the likelihood of that happening is slim, she added. “Mexico doesn’t inspect its own borders, so we’re left to do it,” she said.

Kathleen Walker, president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, argued that America’s immigrant screening strategies are tough enough.

“Our immigration laws are extremely robust,” she said. “To reduce cartel activity and to reduce funding of that activity, then we need to have better intelligence and better relations with Mexico.”

She referred to the Merida Initiative, a controversial four-year-old effort by the U.S. to help Mexico and Central American countries combat drug trafficking. The program aims to decrease incentives for immigration by strengthening the Mexican economy, and it provides Mexico with funding for trainings in investigative techniques.

“Those activities are critical,” Walker said. ”Sending money to deal with a prophylactic measure is much more interesting than dealing with a problem when we’re at the border,” she added. “We need to handle these issues before they even get to the border.”

Correction: In a previous version of this article, a quote by Michael W. Cutler was misinterpreted. The new version accurately reflects his views.

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A scandal involving the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms entered its latest phase on Tuesday when officials from the bureau testified at a congressional hearing on a failed operation that lande...
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11:01 PM on 07/29/2011
The allegation that this totally unethical scheme was a set up to justify even further dismantling of the 2nd amendment are correct.

And this plan has NOT stopped just because it exploded into public view. Holder and Obama are now actually trying to use this incident to replace the heads of these departments with their liberal allies who will promote more gun control among citizens.

The DOJ floated FALSE rumors that the head of the ATF, Kenneth Melson would resign over the matter, and that he would likely be replaced by Andrew Traver, head of the Chicago division of the ATF, who has advocated nearly every gun ban you can think of.

Instead, Melson boldly and voluntarily turned whistleblower by going before congressional hearings on the topic, which is why we have the info we do at this point.

There will definitely be a movie about this one. Uglier than an X-files.
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JessCostello
03:10 AM on 07/29/2011
As for the proponents of immigrants’ rights, they’re insisting that firmer policies simply wouldn’t have had much effect on the flow of guns to Mexico one way or another.

Huh? More accountability over who's coming and going from this country should effect at least moderate gains in stemming the flow of guns into Mexico from the U.S.
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WILLIEMOJORISIN
You were expecting Mensa members ?
11:43 AM on 07/28/2011
Why is this story buried so deep ? oh yeah it happened on Obama's watch
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10:29 AM on 07/28/2011
Moderator: Please afford me the courtesy of a reply as to why the following has not been published.

"AOLHUFFPO STOCK HITS ALL-TIME LOW…

Articles like this are why. Let’s just pretend Soetoro/Soebarkah/Obama/Bounel, or whatever his name is had nothing to do with “Fast & Furious”. The writer wouldn’t dare tell the truth. This way, it make the libs “feel good”.

We’ll pretend the usurper COLB is not forged; or his Selective Service registration, purportedly filled out in 1980 on a form revised in 2007 is not forged either. And that he’s not using the SS number of a dead man.

Go ahead, demonstrate the type of American you are and make some type of nonsensical comment.

It’s not going to prohibit the truth getting out."
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GravitonX
10^300 bosons could care less.
10:23 AM on 07/28/2011
Sounds like all you anti-Obamacrits are ready to prosecute Bush and Cheney for tor ture at Guantanamo and other war crimes.
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lliberty4ever
Yeah- tell me another one !
08:46 AM on 08/01/2011
Deflection- try sticking to the story.
12:49 PM on 08/25/2011
I agree, GravitonX, however, it appears lliberty4ever wants to call your statement "deflection", since they never believe in the goose/gander theory. lol I mean, did they forget what we did under Bush's orders??? hmmm...oops...deflection lol
10:03 AM on 07/28/2011
This article is full of errors (Poor reporting) and fails to mention that BP Agent Brian Terry was murdered and weapons identified with Fast & Furious were found at the scene near Rio Rico, Az.
A key ATF manager told Congress he discussed the case with a White House National Security staffer as early as September 2010. The communications were between ATF Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix office, Bill Newell, and White House National Security Director for North America Kevin O'Reilly. Newell said the two are longtime friends. The content of what Newell shared with O'Reilly is unclear and wasn't fully explored at the hearing.
The US ATF armed the Sinaloa drug cartel and was funded with stimulus money.

ATF officials in Mexico finally realized the truth: ATF allowed guns to walk. By withholding this critical information from its own personnel in Mexico, ATF jeopardized relations between the U.S. and Mexico.
Read the Congressional Report here:
http://documents.latimes.com/fast-furious-congress-report/
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Willie12345
09:41 AM on 07/28/2011
Let's not divert the discussion. It's all about Holder Gate ................ and the story continues !!!
09:32 AM on 07/28/2011
This is ALL about "Fast and Furious" and corruption in our Government trying to divert our attention to immigration! Don't be fooled by this article! Immigration needs to be delt with separately! The DOJ is also trying to turn our attention to Wells Fargo! Who is overseeing the DOJ!
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warloch2
Spraying cold reality from the hose of truth.
09:04 AM on 07/28/2011
The operation was "a perfect storm of idiocy," Carlos Canino, a senior ATF agent in Mexico.
Rexter
Question everything.
09:01 AM on 07/28/2011
We don't want a congressional hearing that drags on until this issue falls of the radar, one of their favorite tactics for sweeping thing under the rug. Congressional hearings are a joke, turn it over to the DOJ - oops! They were involved in it.

We want to know who concocted this plan and who approved it.
09:09 AM on 07/28/2011
Swept under the rug is right.
Rexter
Question everything.
09:22 AM on 07/28/2011
We will never, ever, know the extent of their misdeeds. Corruption disguised as any number of "programs". I wish there truly were transparency in their activities, we would probably tar and feather every one of them if we knew the depth of it, the truth.
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KingGeorgetheTurd
GOP, Fact Free since 1981!
09:55 AM on 07/28/2011
Well, according to common knowledge ATF began Project Gunrunner as a pilot project in Laredo, Texas, in 2005 and expanded it as a national initiative in 2006.

Start there, 2005?
01:16 PM on 07/29/2011
And Project Gunrunner was a properly executed operation, that has netted at least 650 prosecutions of 1400 straw buyers. But Operation Fast and Furious, which was under the Gunrunner mantle, was a rogue operation. When the ATF agents requested permission to make arrests, before these weapons left the US, they were told to sit tight, and just watch.

Perhaps if the ATF had informed their Mexican counterpart's, the tracing could have continued in Mexico, and some arrests could have been made. Yet that one simple step was never accomplished, and from what I can tell, the Mexican authorities were purposefully not informed.

Fast and Furious started in September of 2009. So, this one is not Bush's fault, and won't be no matter how one spins it.
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AZreb
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08:50 AM on 07/28/2011
Not one word n this article that places the blame for the Fast and Furious scandal squarely where it belongs - the Department of Justice that approved and funded this fiasco. If you want an informative article on this mess, go to the archives of WaPo for three days ago and read the article on Fast and Furious.

The DoJ submitted paperwork to the investigating committee that was an insult to the members of that committee. Some was redacted so much that entire pages were blacked out - completely! But HP conveniently ignores the responsiblilty of Holder and DoJ in this matter and blames it all on the ATF, some of whose agents complained to their supervisors and others, up to and including the DoJ.

No wonder HP wants to connect this to immigration and give the DoJ a pass. Now we can look for more sob stories about the "poor illegals", "tearing families apart" and "just sneaking across our border for a better life". Want a better life? Work to change your own country!
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IMac
08:20 AM on 07/28/2011
This reminds me of the fiasco the ATF pulled at Waco several years ago - 80 people were burned to death in that one. This is one of those expensive agencies that needs to go - a great way to start improving our deficit figure.
09:10 AM on 07/28/2011
Can we add the DEA on that list too?
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JessCostello
03:12 AM on 07/29/2011
I'll end the war on drugs if you end illegal immigration. We can deal on amnesty over a nice bowl of legal marijuana.
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MrNCN
All we are saying is give pizza chants...
08:16 AM on 07/28/2011
"Kephart is a hardcore opponent of illegal immigration"

How is that a useful description? Are there any hardcore PROPONENTS of illegal immigration??
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gino618
09:11 AM on 07/28/2011
Democrat Rep. Guttierez for one.
08:16 AM on 07/28/2011
When are WE (AMERICANS) deport arrogants undocumented/illegals? There's a group called "FLORIDA 15" in NJ/NY Area being protected by "NAFCON" (National Alliance for Filipinos Concern) and MIGRANTENG Filipinos that are challenging us Americans to report them to USCIS-ICE. These undocumented illegals posted their faces, names, place of illegal employment at 687 Newark Avenue, Jersey City, NJ on " you tube" and balitang america website that they are "untouchables", "tax-cheaters" and have chosen to be " illegals" "undocumented " after their H2B Visas expired two years ago !

CALL DHS - USCIS- ICE HOTLINE ( 1-866-347-2423)NOW TO DEPORT ARROGANTS UNDOCUMENTED/ILLEGALS FLORIDA 15 being harbored by NAFCON of National Alliance for Filipinos ! SAVE AND PROTECT OUR JOBS ! Save America from these arrogants undocumented illegals.... Florida 15 ! REPORT TO DEPORT FLORIDA 15 !
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08:11 AM on 07/28/2011
Legalize it.
Don't criticize it.
Legalize it, and I'll advertise it.