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Educators Worry Teachers Are Not Getting Adequate Training, Evaluation

George Miller

First Posted: 07/27/11 06:24 PM ET Updated: 09/26/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Education leaders told a House committee Wednesday to focus on crafting comprehensive blueprint for teacher evaluations as Congress moves ahead in overhauling No Child Left Behind.

The four witnesses called before the House Committee on Education and the Workforce agreed educators have not come up with an ideal framework to evaluate teachers. They also expressed concern over whether teachers are being prepared for the classroom, and said the right people might not be going into education in the first place.

Witnesses questioned whether the higher education institutions were actively recruiting people who had a true interest or in being educators.

Kate Walsh, president of the National Council on Teacher Quality, said half the people that graduate from an education program don't wind up getting teaching jobs.

"I fear that for too many of those individuals have gone into an education school because it may be the easiest program on a college campus to complete," Walsh said.

Walsh then asserted it was "easier to get into an education school than it is to qualify to play college football."

Witnesses told the committee there should be accountability for institutions where teachers are trained. The burden to retain teachers, they said, should not fall on school districts.

Lawmakers wondered if the right teachers were getting hired. Rep. Glenn Thompson (R-Penn.) made the point there needed to be better hiring practices, and most of the panel agreed agreed. Several members of the committee, and some of the witnesses, suggested there was a problem with teacher tenure.

"In any profession sometimes you make hiring decisions that don't turn out well," said Thomas Boasberg, a superintendent from Denver. "While we need to focus on hiring, we also need to recognize some of the systems about replacing low-performing [educators] need to be changed as well."

Tennessee Commissioner of Education Kevin Huffman said hiring the right people in the first place would solve a lot of tenure problems, but noted many districts have tended to hire graduates from the nearest higher education institution.

The nationwide push for newer teachers also received some attention from the panel.

David Cicarella, president of the New Haven Federation of Teachers, resisted the idea that bringing in many young teachers would boost student performance. Rather, he said, the best districts have a mixture of young teachers and veterans.

Walsh said young teachers are often placed in low-performing schools, but because they lack experience, their students tend to not do as well.

Overall, the witnesses agreed there is not yet an adequate system for evaluating teachers once they get in the classroom, something they said should be central to education policy.

Walsh said without comprehensive evaluation systems, it's difficult for school administrators to know what a teacher needs.

"I don't think we've figured out what the perfect system is, I think we need a lot of flexibility," Huffman said. "[We need to] make sure there's consistency in application across districts."

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WASHINGTON -- Education leaders told a House committee Wednesday to focus on crafting comprehensive blueprint for teacher evaluations as Congress moves ahead in overhauling No Child Left Behind. Th...
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European1919
I am the Pigmâ’¶n
04:43 PM on 08/04/2011
I was always under the impression that teachers are educators. But then again I speak English, not American.

Anyway: you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
02:48 PM on 08/04/2011
If teachers are not being hired correctly that is the fault of the Principal--and there are a lot of bad Principals. A lot of Principal's are very poorly prepared and I have worked for a few. It is amazing how some of them are very uncomfortable around students and very poor in the dept. of people skills.

And if teachers who go through a University program are poorly prepared, how poorly prepared are all these fast-track professionals that the government finds and puts through some quack course to make them a teacher.

If teachers are poorly prepared---prepare them properly!!!!!! Education has become so politicized. A high end company would do what it took to train and produce top talents--so just get on with it fro a change.

But then, we have to be really scared that these experts testified before a House Committee--because Washington is exceptionally ill-prepared, itself as we have just seen in this budget mess.
07:27 PM on 07/30/2011
A disturbing mutation of the "service economy" is the excess reliance on consultants to deal with problems produced by administrators who want to defray the risk of important decisions to outrsiders for hire. By the time their suggestions hit the fan they are long gone and the resulting debacle is no ones fault and it's time to hire more consultants. I have been an educator for 40 years and I have seen our institution pillaged by both educational and architectural consultancies, almost all of these encounters produced little or none of the results promised.
02:48 PM on 08/04/2011
luzmorales: this is a very interesting concept you have hit upon and you are right.
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dadw5boys
Disabled Vietnam Vet
05:14 PM on 07/28/2011
Teachers should worry about the Evaluations and how they are being done. One of the Employees doing the Evaluations said their company was told by the Gov. NOT to grade any of the Teachers above average they were to all be graded at mid to upper mid lever and New Teachers were to ne graded as Ineffective !
Ineffective and those Teachers have not has their first day of classroom work alone ever and never met the people grading them !
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dadw5boys
Disabled Vietnam Vet
04:33 PM on 07/28/2011
Parent get your kids watching the over 2,400 Videos at the Khan Academy.org !!!!!

everything from 4th grade math to Rocket Science

http://www.khanacademy.org/#browse
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dadw5boys
Disabled Vietnam Vet
04:31 PM on 07/28/2011
Go to you tube and watch -- Changing Education Paradigms -- see the real problems

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U
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treemonkey
Illegitimi non carborundum
04:13 PM on 07/28/2011
Wait, what. Educators are worried about teacher evaluations. Teachers Are The Educators. While all the others are sitting around, hand-wringing and inventing problems, it is the teacher, and only the teacher who shows up in the classroom, every day, and it is only the teacher from whom the students learn, day after day. Again, it is the teachers who are the educators, not those others who presume their own expertness.
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Gem Mayers
12:30 PM on 07/28/2011
Wrong, all wrong. I refute this at http://3rseduc.blogspot.com/2011/07/rant.html where I explain teacher training etc. I am an educator and see many problems with how the system is being run.
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dadw5boys
Disabled Vietnam Vet
05:05 PM on 07/28/2011
Problems like this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-son3EJTrU&feature=relmfu
03:07 PM on 08/04/2011
GemMayers: I read your article and you have some very good points. However, you cannot assume that everyone else out there is you. I went to a very fine University and was very well prepared to teach. BUT the important point you make is: some excellent teachers actually have degrees in the subjects they teach. Many teachers do a degree in English Education for example as opposed to actually having a degree in English. Degrees in Education are bogged down with theory and other blarney. I would not know as I actually have graduate degrees in the subjects I teach and then did the separate degree in Education so that I could teach in schools.

I must admit I meet some teachers who barely know their subject and it is really sad---and incidentally these people usually have very little character or personality--which means they do as they are told (from the same mold as most Principals) and Principals protect them because they play along, while the bright starts (who have degrees in the subject and do not suffer fools lightly) are hated by Principals and given poor evaluations.

But what is the solution to this? In huge districts there is a chronic shortage of teachers. About 7 years ago the NY Board of ED imported 700 math teachers from Austria!!!!!!! So you can hate and deride teachers but getting rid of them is going to leave a lot of empty classrooms.
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Eric Mann
Do you want to be on the opposite side of Progress
11:07 AM on 07/28/2011
Walsh then asserted it was "easier to get into an education school than it is to qualify to play college football."

Uh, last I checked it was pretty hard to get on college football teams.
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Dede Eagleburger
well behaved women rarely make History...
11:48 AM on 07/28/2011
I guess she meant, grades-wise? it is a bit unclear...
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Eric Mann
Do you want to be on the opposite side of Progress
12:06 PM on 07/28/2011
That would shock me too. Usually GPA requirements are higher for school of ed admission than sports team eligibility. I am sure, though, she found a few schools out of the hundred of institutions of higher learning with both football teams and schools of ed that have a lower GPA requirement for the school of ed than the football team.

That said, it is still a straw man argument. Getting into a school of ed does not mean you graduate, let alone pass the certification exams, let alone get a job teaching, let alone be a successful teacher. I knew quite a few people who got into the school of ed and never finished.
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dadw5boys
Disabled Vietnam Vet
05:06 PM on 07/28/2011
well if you want the best and brightest them pay more and they might take those courses.
11:04 AM on 07/28/2011
Last school year was my first year teaching. I was evaluated by three separate administrators, three separate times of the year. I have no problem being evaluated, we absolutely should be. However, I do have a problem with high stakes testing being tied to my evaluation.

There have been studies that show the difference in performance between urban and suburban school districts. Students who have educated parents gain on average 5000 vocabulary words a year, students in low income areas 3000. Students with ELL background where parents don't speak English, even less. As a teacher there are only so many words I can expose them to over the course of 9 months. There is only so much culture and literature and history and math I can teach them in 9 months. Where does my responsibility end and the parents begin?
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dadw5boys
Disabled Vietnam Vet
05:09 PM on 07/28/2011
Assign them videos to watch on the computer at home from the Khan Academy.org
2,400 videos from 4th Grade Math to Rocket Science
You might even want to use some of them in class

http://www.khanacademy.org/#browse
06:08 PM on 07/28/2011
You're making the assumption that these students have computers at home.
09:00 PM on 07/28/2011
I've actually looked into using this at school with my students but unfortunately in order to do the practice (and earn badges) they need emails. They're too young, so while it's likely to be on my list of neat websites that I give parents, I won't be using it in class. If they gave a teacher the ability to create a class account and have the kids log in from there it would be wonderful.
03:17 PM on 08/04/2011
Gwenhevare: ...and I am willing to bet that each evaluators spoke as if they had the definitive word on educational practice, and they contradicted each other!
03:45 PM on 08/04/2011
Nope, they gave me constructive criticism on what happened during the lesson that they saw. We talked about what I could have done differently and how things could be changed. Some of it rookie mistakes on my part, for example, I didn't discipline a student who was acting up because I didn't want to look bad in front of the administrator who told me that I should have said something to that student. Lesson learned.
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Dede Eagleburger
well behaved women rarely make History...
10:51 AM on 07/28/2011
'Kate Walsh, president of the National Council on Teacher Quality, said half the people that graduate from an education program don't wind up getting teaching jobs.
"I fear that for too many of those individuals have gone into an education school because it may be the easiest program on a college campus to complete," Walsh said.'

And maybe they get out and after three years of trying everything they know to get a job teaching what they went to school for, finally give up and try something else....I know because I was close to giving up too before i finally got hired.
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dadw5boys
Disabled Vietnam Vet
05:11 PM on 07/28/2011
why would they get teaching jobs when the U.S. Military, CIA and Givernment will pay Instructors from $70k to $100k as an Instructor ? The CIA needs math professionals bad
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Dede Eagleburger
well behaved women rarely make History...
05:13 PM on 07/28/2011
because some of us are awful at math?
03:19 PM on 08/04/2011
dadw5boys--but for this you have to have an actual degree in math. This is where education school goes wrong---teachers doing degrees in math education but not having a solid foundation in the subject.
09:31 AM on 07/28/2011
There are a lot of dedicated teachers out there who would be even better with more targeted training. It's been proven that teacher quality is the most important factor in a child's success in the classroom (more than class size, uniforms, income, etc), so this is definitely the most appropriate place to focus reform efforts.
07:56 AM on 07/31/2011
Certainly the quality of the teacher makes a big difference, but to state that "it's been proven that teacher quality is the most important factor" is overstating the case. There are a lot of studies on factors influencing student success, many of them poorly designed, often with conflicting results. It seems that if school districts with
08:45 AM on 07/28/2011
I hope to be invited to take part in a panel to discuss tariffs with South American nations.

I don't know anything about tariffs or South American nations, but judging from the article, that doesn't disqualify me at all.
03:14 AM on 07/28/2011
Education leaders in Washington. Those four words typically mean, "I have never been a teacher."
12:15 AM on 07/28/2011
The Dept of Ed gave Teach for America $50 million dollars to send untrained, wealthy, well-conne­cted neophytes into some of the toughest classrooms in the country and these hacks have the audacity to judge 4 and 5 year comprehens­ive programs?

Huffmann is a Teach for America alum- note his short term commitment to kids in inner city classrooms­. NCTQ is a junk-scien­ce producing propaganda outfit. Their shameless hypocrisy is stunning. It would be funny if they didn't intend to influence our kid's lives with their pernicious agenda.
09:26 AM on 07/28/2011
In most cases, Teach for America is a joke. My cousin went through it in Washington, D.C., and raves about it. However, every time I point out that he only completed two years in the classroom, and complained about it those two years, he has no rebuttal.