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Al Franken: Education Reform 'Most Important Thing I'm Working On'

Al Franken

First Posted: 07/28/11 05:36 PM ET Updated: 09/27/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- While developing his positions on education policy, Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) turned to his roots: He consulted with teachers throughout Minnesota, and he chatted with his daughter.

"My daughter became a teacher right out of college," through New York City's Teaching Fellows Program, Franken said. "She had a really good principal. It made an enormous difference."

That's why he introduced the School Principal Recruitment and Training Act, a measure that would fund a federal program that offers school districts competitive grants for principal training.

The legislation came from "research on principals and research on what made a good school, and how ... the ethos of the school was created by the principal," Franken told The Huffington Post in an interview in his office.

Franken is a member of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee, which is currently tasked with overhauling the decade-old, sweeping No Child Left Behind federal education law. The law has been up for reauthorization since 2007.

NCLB's rough measure of school performance has led to failing results for more and more schools: In New Mexico, 87 percent of schools did not make "adequate yearly progress" under the law this year.

In March 2010, President Obama and U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan proposed a blueprint for overhauling NCLB.

Senators Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) and Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.) have been meeting regularly to produce a markup on the bill, which Harkin said at a hearing Wednesday he hopes to have ready "this year." Meanwhile, Franken has been meeting with committee members, sharing his thoughts on the bill.

"I have made it a point to meet with different senators and meet with Senator Enzi, Senator [Lamar] Alexander, making sure that they know what my feelings are about this," he said. "I care very much, very deeply about this. This is the most important thing I'm working on now."

As senators work on a markup, Franken said the most disagreement has come on the role of states and that of the federal government in running education systems.

"There may be disagreement on whether things should be optional for the states," Franken said. "In the reform of No Child Left Behind, how much flexibility or how much leeway the states have in what they do, versus how much is prescribed by the federal government," he said, is being debated.

Harkin told HuffPost that his talks with Enzi focus on "accountability, evaluations, comparability." Without specifying any further, Harkin said he is confident about progress in the Senate, though he questions movement in the House.

Franken said he generally likes Sec. Duncan's policies, which have often relied on competitive grant programs, but he disagrees with Duncan's prescriptive turnaround plans -- currently in effect in districts that have taken federal School Improvement Grants.

"I have some disagreements in terms of what you do with the bottom 5 percent of the schools," Franken said.

Some of these models call for swapping out teachers or principals as a remedial intervention.

"The four models for how to transform the schools I don't think fit terribly well with rural schools because there just aren’t that many teachers or principals available," Franken said. That scenario could mean "two failed schools will switch teachers."

In addition to the principal training initiative, Franken has also introduced a measure that would bolster science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM) teaching. He hopes to roll it into the bigger markup bill.

He said he crafted the STEM initiative in part because he and his brother studied math and science, and because of his appreciation for logic, whether as a politician or as a comedian on Saturday Night Live.

"While we didn't go into math and science careers, I felt that there's actually a lot in my career that has to do with logic, like writing a joke," Franken said. He had also noticed that in Minnesota, STEM teaching jobs went unfilled.

Franken also introduced a measure that would prohibit discrimination in public schools on the basis of gender identity or sexual orientation.

One thing most NCLB stakeholders, including Franken, agree on is the need to change testing and test reporting. The current law measures student scores, but not student growth -- so schools that are improving can still labeled as failing. Franken wants to move to a growth model.

"Some of the schools that aren't getting annual yearly progress are schools that are doing a really good job, and they're taking kids who may have been not up to grade level or far below grade level and bring[ing] them close to grade level, and [they're] be[ing] considered a failure," Franken said.

Testing, he said, must change to reflect ongoing learning. In Minnesota, Franken said a principal he met called the current tests used to measure NCLB "autopsies."

Franken said he asked the principal to elaborate. "The kids take them in late April, you don’t get them until late June, and by then they're out of the school," he recalled the principal saying. "All we do is aggregate the data, and that's it."

Franken is calling for more frequent, less pressurized exams that show progress throughout the year.

"These [current] tests are teaching these little discrete skills and teachers are trying to drill those things," Franken said. "It's drill and kill."

CLARIFICATION: An earlier version of this article did not specify Franken's reference to STEM jobs in Minnesota.
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collettethehedgehog
My micro-bio is So running on empty
04:04 AM on 08/03/2011
Where is the discussion on Whole Language Vs Phonetics methods for teaching reading. I cant believe Whole Language isnt the main discussion. It doesnt work. Study after study show Phonetics works. There is no research to support that the brain can visually memorize more than a few syllables. Words over a certain length the brain cannot process in entirety. So even kids that appear to be learning with Whole Word break down when they get to a level where multi-syllable words are used. Science, technology etc. So STEM will fail unless reading is taught with phonetics from elementary school on. There are kids who can basically teach themselves to read, mostly girls. But to use those few to justify replacing Phonetics with Whole Language is madness. How many on here learned to read and spell phonetically?
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grayplace
Life's a dream within a dream.
01:31 PM on 08/03/2011
Both should be taught together, since there are many words that cannot be pronounced phoneticaly. To teach only one, be it whole language OR phonetics, is depriving our kids of their language.
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collettethehedgehog
My micro-bio is So running on empty
04:46 PM on 08/03/2011
People who say this are trying to argue that phonetics does not include teaching one syllable words or any kind of sight words. Not the case. Not the way I was taught in the 50's and 60's, not the way Phonetics is taught successfully today. When you imply Whole Language is taught today with phonetics - the best it can be called is disingenuous. It is full of what I call apples and oranges nonsensical words that leave kids wondering what's wrong with them because it makes no sense-but they are told it does. What worked in the 50's and 60's and as far back as the one-room schoolhouse that my Grandmother taught in, works today. Whole Language does not. It is not the kids who are broke. It is the means.
02:13 AM on 08/03/2011
Franken for President!
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MJinCanada
Safe from zombies until my 2nd cup of coffee
09:52 PM on 08/01/2011
Teaching kids research skills and the difference between primary, secondary and tertiary sources would be high on my list of things. People really need to learn the difference between checking an original source or doing the observations or tests on their own, and getting their information from stupid chain emails.
02:09 AM on 08/03/2011
Let's teach the adults, too. True story... in speaking to a college-educated banker was told that a court was investigating whether Obama was really born in the United States. I looked at her like she was crazy, googled the information she was citing on my phone and showed her it was an urban myth and had been proved to be untrue by numerous sources. She was embarrassed and confused. She said she never questioned that it was true because it was sent to her by an attorney who was on the board of directors of a not-for-profit she volunteered for - in her mind a very credible source. Very awkward conversation on other topics then ensued.
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MJinCanada
Safe from zombies until my 2nd cup of coffee
02:40 AM on 08/03/2011
Good for you!

I've managed to train a few people to check Snopes.com before passing on any emails they receive. It's cut down on the crap I get, at least.

It's just amazing what lies people will spread for their agenda. During the last Canadian election campaign, my sister and I were discussing the options. "But that Ignatieff guy is some kind of crook, isn't he?" she said. I asked her where she got that impression and she said people at the coffee shop and other places were saying that Michael Ignatieff (the Liberal leader) had stayed out of Canada for years because he'd been mixed up in something illegal. Apparently our neocons in talk radio had dropped hints that his long absence was "fishy." I was flabbergasted, but I made sure she knew that Ignatieff had been living in the UK and the US because he'd been teaching at Oxford and Harvard!
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fredtoro
01:35 PM on 07/30/2011
One govt program after another. They do not work. Shut down the Dept of Education and all these other attached programs. School districts should run their own programs without a retired bad comedian telling America how to education their children. To me, it is simple. Get the parents involved in their childs education. Instead of spending the evening in front of the TV watching airheads with sex problems or crime shows, shut it off. How about a nightly discussion during dinner of current events and shut off the texting on their cell phones while you eat. Nightly go over what the childs favorite subject and show interest. Keep the video games and computer on a short leash. Moniter what they are doing on the internet. Discuss with their teachers their childs progress in various subjects and what you can do that would benefit the child's learning. Keep it all positve, reward not punish. If you need Congress to tell you how to raise your child, something is wrong.
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jkkFL
Opinions are not Facts.
08:32 PM on 07/30/2011
OK- If it's a single parent home with that parent working a job and a part time one, how involved can you be?
Sorry this is a simplistic view of a highly complex problem.
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fredtoro
02:39 AM on 08/02/2011
As a child of a welfare parent I can vouch for the need to any support that I received from a variety of individual and the need to hone in on my own education without blaming the teachers or schools. I did not need any govt agency telling me how to lead my life. As a military vet, college grad and an executive in an electronic company I was able to work with a diverse group of college educated individuals, not one blamed the schools or looked for govt programs to help then lead a productive life. Yes, times have changes, agreed. It is still up to the individual.
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fredtoro
12:08 PM on 08/02/2011
There were 4 kids, Mom cooked every night, no going out to fast food. Of course, the kids helped as well. We studied after dinner and as the oldest I sometime helped the younger. We had no govt agency telling us how to live, how to think, you got it done on your own. In our neighborhood, very poor, you were on your own and expected nothing from anyone.
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Evan Allison
12:34 PM on 07/31/2011
yeah, all government programs are bad. let's get rid of the departmnent of homeland security and the fda as well. who needs safety when we have magical spirits to protect us.
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fredtoro
02:42 AM on 08/02/2011
Did I make any statement that would leave you to believe that I felt all govt agencies were bad. Many are needed although I suspect a different approach to homeland security might have been an improvement. TSA is a mess and still have not caught anyone. My point is we have developed a govt agency for everything, over two dozen job training agencies and what are they doing is an example.
11:49 AM on 07/30/2011
Well, can we please put a limit on the $100,000 administrators at our schools... I mean seriously, the school where I teach has 1 Principal and 8 Asst. Principals...
The Principal in my district is $110,000 and each Asst. is anywhere between $85,000-$100,000
they literally do NOTHING! There are fights all over the school, vandalism, teachers being verbally abused... they do not back up the teachers... and each one has a secretary who makes anywhere between $40,000-$75,000 (more than a teacher) and they fight amongst themselves on who will do what!

The testing is atrocious. The creativity of teaching is GONE because we are simply teaching to this ONE test that is given in April. The test has some questions that never the material being taught because the standards that must be hit, do not cover all of the material. I am not sure who is creating these tests... I teach 11th grade, and while the curriculum is all literature based, the test is full of grammar. It makes no sense whatsoever.

I am sure what needs to be done with our educational system, but I do know it is broken and needs major repair.
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jkkFL
Opinions are not Facts.
02:51 PM on 08/03/2011
I don't know where you teach, but I can assure you there are NO 100,000 administrators with 8 assistants with secretaries, in FL! The school near my house has NO administrative personnel except the principal, and one secretary, and 2 tech support people a nurse and a bookkeeper..
02:43 PM on 07/29/2011
This bill is a great idea. Focusing on the principals is extremely important. Even if a school has great teachers, it can take a leader to pull everyone together as a team and seal a strong school culture. Having a strong community keeps teachers happier and students achieving their best.
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RobietheCat
Altruism with someone else's money isn't
02:00 PM on 07/29/2011
Oh, please. Whenever a pol can't get anything done, they turn to education.

Can the good senator cite a specific instance or directive in the Constitution where is states education is a Federal responsibility?

It is not.

Why isn't he trying to end the WARS?
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04:39 PM on 07/29/2011
If education throughout the states had been equitible and fair in who got a quality education to begin with, then there never would have been a Department of Education. However, when one section of the country routinely better educates its children, ALL of its children, while other sections of the country do not, who fixes that?
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RobietheCat
Altruism with someone else's money isn't
07:58 PM on 07/29/2011
So by your logic if Alabama or Mississippi doesn't want to spend a dime to educate their kids, that okay because you can take the money from California to pay for that?

That is not in the Constitution. Redistribution of income is not something the Feds should be doing.

Education is legally a state responsibilty. I understand WHY this had to occur because of the Civil Rights difficulties with the South as well as communities that did not provide equality of education, but that time has ended, quite a long time ago.

On their own, California schools and public universities were the envy of the world, now after federal intervention and mandates, we are dead last. Don't see how the Feds have helped CA at all. But you sure knew how to take our taxes for other states.

But now sadly, through extreme left wing philosophies, we are all dumbed down, equally, comrade.
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jimtodd
Unrepentant child of '60s
01:59 PM on 07/29/2011
The teavangelicals/GOP declare their expectations for America's future when they say we don't need an educated public. Their policy to cut aid to education elucidates that objective. Clearly, the expectation they have is of a population in permanent decline.
08:57 PM on 07/29/2011
And how about those jobs?
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MJinCanada
Safe from zombies until my 2nd cup of coffee
03:06 AM on 08/03/2011
I'm waiting for them to declare that intellectual curiousity was the other original sin.
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jimtodd
Unrepentant child of '60s
10:07 AM on 08/03/2011
Having no experience with it, they don't know intellectual curiosity exists.
11:57 AM on 07/29/2011
Problem with the growth model, Al, is that children grow. That's what they do whether we send them to school or not. So what's the point of measuring growth - they are going to do that whether we measure it or not and whether teachers and schools perform well or not. It's nonsensical and really, I think, it's only embraced because it supposedly makes more sense than testing year-by-year in ways in which results can't be compared. But that doesn't mean its a brilliant idea.
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04:45 PM on 07/29/2011
Understanding "growth" is a very big deal in that it recognizes what schools have been able to accomplish even if it doesn't meet an arbitrary benchmark.

Case in point. Several years ago, my school met/surpassed benchmarks in 10 out of 11 categories, and we missed the benchmark in the 11th category by ONE student's Math score in ONE subgroup (special ed).

Know what happened to us? Because of NCLB, we were labeled a failing school. Do you have any idea what that does to a school and its students? Now do you get why incorporating "growth" is important?
11:53 AM on 07/29/2011
Talk to teachers, Al!!!! Not Arne Duncan and pols in DC. I'm sure you have many fine teachers in Minnesota and they'd be more than happy to tell you about NCLB. Go spend a few weeks in a real school and see what's really going on. And talk to teachers!
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metogamekun
non-violence takes guts
01:29 PM on 07/29/2011
Did you even read the first paragraph? It says he's done just that. And his daughter is a teacher, too.
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KickstandCat
Christian, therefore Liberal
01:46 PM on 07/29/2011
Ah, try reading the very first paragraph. I know it's small.
11:02 AM on 07/29/2011
As a former high school principal, I'm glad Franken is looking at principal (and superintendent, one hopes) quality. There's a steep difference between the principal focused on looking good and the one focused on doing good. There are career-focused administrators, typically those who taught 5 years or less, and those passionate about the power of education in young lives. Can Franken or anyone else tell the difference though? See http://nogginstrain.blogspot.com/2011/04/successful-administrator.html
10:20 AM on 07/29/2011
Since a responder "dissed" my credentials in the field of education, I offer these stats: undergrad with high honors b-4 age 20. Fellowship student for Masters with high honors b-4 age 22 (and already logging 2.5 years of teaching along with teaching for the Fellowship. Additional concentration in Gifted Education outside of degree path. Administrative/supervisory CAS (Certificate of Advanced Study) as scholarship student. Note: this CAS is a licensure foundation for Principal or other Administrative positions.

I am criticizing the NCLB because it assigns all students to the same track w/o determining preparation or ability. It is a totally scripted approach to education rather than the individual talent/needs approach.

What are your credentials? And, by the way, I had a Grandfather who was a teacher . . AND SO DID HE!
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04:49 PM on 07/29/2011
I liked what you had to say, but be a teacher for a while before moving up. Its really important to see the classroom trends come and go...and come back around again in a repackaged formula, and that takes a little more experience.
10:48 PM on 07/29/2011
Having done the department chair & special project director, then morphing to school, program, and principal evaluation. Following that it was on-line research for Chicago Public Schools. Best friend & I did a deseg program on the arts to prevent white flight in a fully-integrated university neighborhood. It was spectacular - - - until the district literally ran out of money!

Been retired for nearly 10 years, but keep busy enriching experiences for now 9 year old grandson who lives 2 blocks away! But I'm still causing trouble for schools who forget their real responsibilities. Was Bd of Ed watchdog for a hs for 15 years.

Right now I'm praising electronic books for their capacity to hold much, contain homework too, and save the backs of kids carrying backpacks. How about you?
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Jimmy Kilpatrick
10:17 AM on 07/29/2011
African-American Middle Class Eroding As Unemployment Rate Soars so I wonder what they will do to pay for their private schools...
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frankenheimer
Not dead yet!
10:17 AM on 07/29/2011
NCLB has a goal that ALL children will be at grade level in reading and math by the year 2014. This lack of understanding of child development is what happens when people with no real connection to education write legislation.
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sydneymoon
Dismiss what insults your own soul - WW
10:25 AM on 07/29/2011
Precisely
10:12 AM on 07/29/2011
To the poster who replied to mine: If your supposition that an individual will read as well as they speak, you must therefore endow my grandson with a very high IQ. As a premie, 6 weeks early on an emergency C, had fully formed 6 word sentences by the time he celebrated his first birthday. The vocabulary contines to amaze but the lock-step of school (even in a really outstanding district) sounds a bit like the Animal School essay in which the animals were taught skills they would never use, so therefore were all failing.