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Debt Ceiling Crisis Has Americans Frustrated, 'Furious'

By HENRY C. JACKSON   07/28/11 04:11 AM ET   AP

WASHINGTON -- Bob Krogman, an Air Force veteran who survived three helicopter crashes over North Vietnam, leaves little doubt about what he thinks of politicians when asked about the debt ceiling debate in Washington.

"(Politicians) care about themselves, and that's the way it's always been since I was in the military," said Krogman, 60, hobbling on crutches outside the St. Louis VA Medical Center, where he went for an exam on his troubled lungs.

He fights back tears. "I'm furious. I hate them."

As the intense debate continues among House Republicans, Senate Democrats and the White House over whether to raise the debt ceiling and under what conditions, Americans have grown anxious. And after President Barack Obama urged people to contact their representatives and senators, they did – by the thousands – through phone calls, emails and picket lines.

The Associated Press interviewed people across the country Wednesday and found that, whatever their political leanings, frustration about the debt debate itself was the most commonly held view. Voters do not know how the debt showdown got to this point, at the brink, just days away from the United States being unable to pay all its bills.

In Washington, members of both parties, across the ideological spectrum, have reported a huge uptick in voter contact in recent days. The office of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., for example, reported double the call volume. GOP House members have had their websites crash, and the House's technology center warned offices earlier this week that telephone lines serving House office numbers were nearing capacity.

Members and aides say virtually every side has chimed in – those who don't want the debt ceiling raised at all, those who favor sharp budget cuts, those who want to raise taxes on the rich and points in between. And many told the AP they just want a deal struck, even if it means compromise.

That's what pushed Denise Cox, a western Pennsylvania nursing home worker, to picket the district office of Rep. Jason Altmire, D-Pa., earlier this week. Altmire, a conservative Democrat, hasn't yet backed any of the competing debt limit plans.

Cox thinks Republicans and Democrats alike should stop catering to corporate interests, drop the "us vs. them mentality," and "worry more about what's best for the American people."

She said she worries about the impact a federal default would have on residents of the county-run nursing home in Beaver, Pa., most of whom are Medicaid recipients, as well as on unionized workers at the facility. Yet she also worries that any debt deal that emerges will have a disproportionate impact on the working and middle classes.

"On both sides of the aisle, they all claim to be so smart. So how did we get to this point? It didn't happen overnight. All of these supposedly intelligent people brought us to this point, and now they are scrambling to see who they can take money from," said Cox, 47, of Ohioville, Pa. But "it shouldn't be up to us to solve the problems and the mistakes that were made."

In Louisiana, Al Sunseri says he's called both his New Orleans-area congressmen, one a Democrat, one a Republican, urging them to get a deal done – but he is pushing for a more conservative approach.

"I've told them to pay the bills and get a balanced budget amendment because they can't control themselves anymore," said Sunseri, co-owner of P&J Oyster Co., on the edge of New Orleans' French Quarter. Last year's oil spill depleted the availability of oysters from the company's traditional sources, leading to more than a dozen layoffs and a shoestring operation run by him and his brother Sal.

A default would be bad for business, Sunseri said, but he also wants the government to stop spending more than it takes in, even if that means drastic cutbacks in government.

"I did not like laying off people," he said. "It came down to a matter of dollars and cents."

In Ohio, Mike Wilson wants more cuts than are being talked about. The leader of one of the Buckeye State's first tea party groups, Wilson said he's pressured Ohio's delegation to take a harder line on cuts.

"Our folks are scared that we're going to get sold out by the Republican leadership," Wilson said. "That is one of the reasons why you have a tea party, the perception that the leadership is willing to compromise too quickly."

In Washington, politicians say they are listening, that they get regular readouts on the flow of constituent calls and hear voters' unrest. But outside of Washington there is still a belief that the politicians just don't get it.

At Post Office Square, a grassy haven surrounded by banks and investment firms in Boston's financial district, Robert Lydon said he was tired of the political gamesmanship and wanted Washington to get a deal. He blamed both parties.

"They're fiddling while Rome is burning," Lydon, a pipefitter from Cohasset, Mass, said during a midday break. "They're playing to their egos and not thinking about the regular person on the street like me."

Woonsocket, R.I., resident Miranda Ledouceur, 28, said she blames President Barack Obama for the standoff. But the Republicans in Congress aren't much better, she said. She worries about the effect a default would have on government assistance programs like food stamps, Medicaid and disability benefits.

"If they don't fix this there will be a lot of people on the street," she said. "Things are bad enough already."

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Associated Press writers Jim Suhr in St. Louis, Michael Rubinkam in Allentown, Pa., Dan Sewell in Cincinnati, David Klepper in Providence, R.I., Carolyn Thompson in Buffalo, N.Y., Johanna Kaiser in Boston, Don Thompson in Sacramento, Calif., and Kevin McGill in New Orleans contributed to this report.

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Dosadi 06:35 PM on 07/28/2011
And once again a media wanna be writes a story telling us about the desires of people who are going about ruining this country.  What the tea party wants does not matter. They are a minority and cannot be allowed to force the country into default. They must be made to understand that the majority of the country does not back them. But that is the fault of our media. Every time a republican gets on the  Read More...
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munki
Global to Local now Local to Global
07:06 AM on 07/30/2011
Our President has to be tough and strong... As our leader...

Over diplomatic???
02:35 AM on 07/30/2011
I believe that a 10% tax for everyone across the board would solve this deficit crisis. No loopholes for anyone.
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05:32 PM on 07/29/2011
Sounds like a pissing contest between two schools of idiocracy...
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balmora
02:51 PM on 07/29/2011
I agree with the guy who said, if I'm already deep in debt why go out and get another credit card? It doesn't make any sense.
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Man in the middle
03:02 PM on 07/29/2011
Right but the gov't is not a family. It is more like a business. And when business needs to pay bills they raise capital and invest in themselves by selling stock (i.e. Treasuries).
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balmora
03:32 PM on 07/29/2011
Actually, I wouldn't really compare the gov't to a business, since a business has to operate at a profit, where a gov't, like a family, merely has to stay afloat without a profit motive. Our gov't, if it were a business, would be operating at a loss. In fact, no business would be allowed to conduct it's business the way our government does with so many unfunded liabilities. If our gov't were a business it would have gone bankrupt already.
02:28 PM on 07/29/2011
IMHO We lost control of our country when the Supreme Court ruled big corporations and unions may contribute to political candidates. Until the American people stand up together regardless of political persuasions and ideology to end this we will never again have freedom or our country back again for all of us. just my 2 cents
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Andrea Blackwell
Why watch the news? The truth's on Comedy Central!
01:30 AM on 07/30/2011
Here's all you need to know about human history... "Prosperity, Corruption, Revolution....lather rinse repeat"

In this case it's "Prosperity, corruption, corruption, prosperity, corruption, corruption, corruption....." It seems we have two choices;
07:57 PM on 08/01/2011
A very astute observation. When big money is allowed to influence policy, it only seeks to create more of itself. It is certainly not thinking of the long term repercussions to the citizens than support it. The Supreme Court failed to account for this and the results are an obvious disaster.
01:09 PM on 07/29/2011
Let's see if all these frustrate and furious voters remember this when the next election takes place in 2012!! These Congressional stonewalling idiots CAN and SHOULD be voted out of office - all of them....no one stepping up to the plate to take charge or lead. It is one of the responsibilities of CONGRESS to create the budget, and they have done nothing. But they sure had no problem quickly and silently extending subsidies for the oil industry in the Spring, did they!!! So plan accordingly - vote and vote any incumbent out of office!! They are all part of the problem! Especially the inept Tea Party people. Need to go and not soon enough!
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Harpseal60
I'm not bossy, I just have better ideas than you.
12:20 PM on 07/29/2011
If you are as mad as I am, Please send an e-mail to your State Representatives. The link below makes this easy and is an interesting site.

www.coffeepartyusa.com
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gravescanada
Bipolar-Playing life on hard mode!
12:15 PM on 07/29/2011
It was insane to tie our budget with the Debt Ceiling increase to begin with. If you want to address spending, you do that during the budget process. The current spending was approved by Congress. It has to be paid for. I know there are alot of areas where we as a nation can save money, but to use the Debt Ceiling as leverage was a grave mistake on the part of the Conservatives. No matter what happens now, we will ALL KNOW who created THIS crisis. If you dont like the budget, fix it next time. If you want a balanced budget amendment, then you do it separately, The Republican party has put our nation in serious peril.
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wa0cal
11:53 AM on 07/29/2011
This is a case of a dysfunctional government which definitely needs new leadership. These Washington D.C. clowns should be awarded the best comedy of the century award
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Jett7
You're gonna need a bigger boat.
11:34 AM on 07/29/2011
I'm furious with the GOP and have been for a long time. They are obstructionists, liars, trai_tors, and terr_orists who will stop at nothing to further their thirst for greed and power.
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Brian Helm
At what time does the toothheaded whale porkbelly?
12:28 PM on 07/29/2011
All the while kissing babies, shaking hands and leading prayers.
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balmora
02:52 PM on 07/29/2011
You don't consider this the democrats fault? They didn't submitted a budget when they were in control of both house of Congress and the White House in excess of 888 days and left it for the Republicans to deal with.
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Man in the middle
03:05 PM on 07/29/2011
Raising the debt ceiling is not part of the budget process. This debt increase is to pay for the several years of previously budgeted expenditures. Much of this debt was incurred under republican leadership as well.
10:30 AM on 07/29/2011
People need to realize that the debt crisis occurred because of wallstreet greed with investors reaking in profits from the subprime lending industry. This problem occurred long before Obama became president. President Obama has the devastating task of cleaning up after wallstreet investor greed. All these subprime mortgages are in default and people are losing their homes and huge corporate investment firms are folding. Come on now. Its not Obama but Corporate greed that got us to this point. Also, insurance was taken out by those investors to cash in on mortgage defaults. These investors knew what was going to happen to the housing market long before it happened. Shame on them! Now all of the middle and working class families have to pay? Obama wants to hold the subprime mortgage investors accountable for stealing from the american working and middleclass families. In contrast the republicans don't want the "Bernie Maddofs of the investment housing crisis to be held responisble. Shame on the republicans!
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kvolovesart
09:04 AM on 07/29/2011
I do not like any politician...they are all corrupt and act like children...just stop spending money...cut foreign aid for 12 months...suspend "research" programs for a year...we will survive and thrive...suspend spending and we can reduce the debt...but, they will not do that...they cannot stop spending money so they keep pandering and keep getting elected...stop earmarks...for real...I am sick of them all...
01:27 PM on 07/29/2011
That being said then we should let the tax cuts that were suppose to expire go, that alone would put 4 Trillion back in the coffers, I'm just saying
RSK1177
Concerned
08:39 AM on 07/29/2011
incognito....I heard that shorter time was recommended because of the historical all time high of the national debt and to finally review performance vs. plan. Remember that the Democrat controlled Congress didn't even have a budget for over two years and funded the government by passing majority vote CR's. Doesn't appear that anyone was keeping the books. The Treasury Dept. should have known about the deficit and debt two years ago so why didn't they do something? To approve a debt ceiling with a two year term would lull the politicians into a sense of false security and spending may go on as usual. There needs to be responsibility to review what a debt limit plan is doing versus what it was planned to accomplish. Maybe six months after passage is too soon but there has to be some benchmarks.
08:32 AM on 07/29/2011
stop building bombs. stop building the billion dollar planes that drop bombs. stop getting us into wars that use billion dollar planes to drop bombs. stop reconstructing whole countries after we drop bombs on them.

there is your savings.
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kvolovesart
09:05 AM on 07/29/2011
agreed...big waste of money and lives...
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dmsdzinr
Progression wit a twist of sarcasm.
08:15 AM on 07/29/2011
IF America defaults on the debt ceiling (I still believe this will be settled at the 11th hour) Then the absolute FIRST checks to be Stopped and NOT PAID should be all of the Congresses paychecks.
01:52 PM on 07/29/2011
You are dam right f&f