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Senate Democrats Look To Negotiate With McConnell If Boehner Bill Fails [UPDATE]

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First Posted: 07/28/11 03:48 PM ET Updated: 09/27/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Senate Democrats are expected to quickly kill House Speaker John Boehner's debt ceiling proposal if it passes the House on Thursday evening. But don't expect Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to then suddenly take up his own debt-ceiling package.

A Senate Democratic aide told The Huffington Post that the party will move the Reid bill forward but it won't necessarily file for cloture immediately after Boehner's fails, hoping instead that the defeat of GOP's bill and the prospect of a Treasury default moving closer will compel Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to come to the negotiating table.

The aide would not detail the specifics of what Democrats would offer the Kentucky Republican when he gets to that table. But the general idea is that they would present possible trigger mechanisms that GOP lawmakers may find agreeable.

Currently, Reid's plan calls for roughly $2.2 trillion in savings over the course 10 years, mostly from discretionary spending cuts and savings from the drawdown of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Like Boehner's plan, it would set up a super committee of 12 lawmakers to propose additional cuts, including reforms to entitlement programs. While Boehner's proposal would only authorize a second raising of the debt ceiling if the committee came to a consensus on its debt-reduction recommendations, the Reid plan has no such enforcement device.

Democrats, from the White House on down, have insisted that they will not bend on their demand that a debt-ceiling bill go through the 2012 elections. Instead, Reid seems likely to offer McConnell other triggers. The most discussed proposal, publicly and privately, has been to allow for a vote on the so-called Gang of Six recommendations should the super committee remain deadlocked. Another option would be to enforce additional spending cuts -- and possibly revenue raisers -- on top of those already in the Reid plan.

"We are very open to options," the Democratic aide said. "The goal is to try to get McConnell to buy into this ... There are some things discussed last weekend that Republicans didn't want to go for that we will once again offer them as options. We'll see if they want to reconsider."

UPDATE: 4:03 p.m. -- Don Stewart, a spokesman for Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) emailed The Huffington Post a statement suggesting that the Kentucky Republican was satisfied with his previous stints at the negotiating table and wouldn't be making any more.

"We worked with our Democrat colleagues all weekend and produced a bill—the bill the House will vote on tonight," said McConnell. "It has Sen. Reid’s committee and spending cuts that both Democrats in Congress and the President agreed to."

Meanwhile, a Democratic official familiar with the debt talks elaborated a bit more on the window of potentially agreeable enforcement mechanisms. The trigger, the official relayed, had to be balanced, with either pain or gain for both sides. It also had to be something that didn't have irrevocable damage if it was hit -- which would rule out the possibility of a debt default in six months as a possible enforcement mechanism. Finally, it had to be germane to budget policy, which eliminates another, previous, Republican suggestion: the repeal of the health care law's individual mandate.

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WASHINGTON -- Senate Democrats are expected to quickly kill House Speaker John Boehner's debt ceiling proposal if it passes the House on Thursday evening. But don't expect Majority Leader Harry Reid (...
WASHINGTON -- Senate Democrats are expected to quickly kill House Speaker John Boehner's debt ceiling proposal if it passes the House on Thursday evening. But don't expect Majority Leader Harry Reid (...
 
 
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Marcospinelli 05:01 PM on 07/28/2011
The People's Budget saves the most (read it here).  

Why aren't Obama, Reid, Pelosi and Democrats talking about the  Read More...  and plan to balance the budget (reduces the deficit by $5.1 trillion)?  It beats Obama's, Reid's AND Republicans' plans.

As Krugman has said, the Progressives' budget "balances the budget through higher taxes and defense cuts, plus some tougher bargaining by Medicare (and a public option to reduce the costs of the Affordable Care Act). The proposed tax hikes would fall on higher incomes, raising the cap on payroll taxes (takes care of Social Security's solvency forever)... and unlike the Ryan plan, it actually makes sense."
 
But Obama takes solutions that work for the People, the vast majority of Americans, off the table.  Whether it's ending Bush's tax cuts or the wars, the '14th Amendment Solution' (and it is, indeed, a legitimate option), etc., Obama kneecaps and handicaps the Democratic voters who put him and Democrats into power.  

That's Obama's style, taking solutions that work for the People off the table and out of consideration when we're discussing how we want to proceed.  That's what he did during the healthcare debate -- He took single payer off the table before negotiations ever began.  Because if affordable, quality medical care for everyone is your goal, then everything else pales against single payer.  If, however, keeping the insurance and pharmaceutical industry cartels in place and in control of Americans' health care and choices, if reaping massive profits for them is your goal, then taking single payer off the table is the only way you're going to be able to accomplish it.

If Republicans are going to turn down anything Obama and Democrats put forth, why then aren't Obama and Democrats fighting for the BEST plan out there?
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MJJBunny
If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
11:29 AM on 07/29/2011
This is so absurd. Raising the debt ceiling is simply to pay the bills for what has been spent. That's all. Everything that has been added to that has clearly gummed up this necessary action. The cuts and additional revenues are a completely different issue and should have been addressed as such. Now we have something resembling scrambled eggs.
11:04 AM on 07/29/2011
Negotiate with Mc Connell? Well that will be my biggest laugh of the day. What part don't the democrats get.......McConnell has said over and over his goal is to make President Obama a one term president. Tell me one thing McConnell has done to make this country a better place. I am all for the president using the 14th admendment. Stop making concessions that hurt the elderly and the working class. Stand up and do what is right for our country.
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John Roman
I am the walrus
10:39 AM on 07/29/2011
Why would you negotiate anything? Pay the debt with the 14th amendment and, finally, look like a "take charge" president Mr. Obama, (Reid and Pelosi). The "hobbits" will not negotiate in good faith that is clear. The Bush tax cuts did not create jobs - that is clear. Dismantling Social Security and Medicare will not solve the problem, that is clear. Just do it Mr. President....
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Harpseal60
I'm not bossy, I just have better ideas than you.
10:34 AM on 07/29/2011
I find it comical that the democrats plan cuts more spending then the GOP plan....Why doesn't the GOP just go with the Dem's plan and get this over with?

Why? Because that would make the Dems look good and we can't have that....even at the cost of what is best for our country. Our political systems is messed up and needs to be re-vamped!
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Harpseal60
I'm not bossy, I just have better ideas than you.
10:26 AM on 07/29/2011
Why wait? The Boehner bill is a failure and will stay a failure. Let's move onto something else and stop beating this dead horse.
09:06 AM on 07/29/2011
Are all disabled and Retired people still receive a check on or about August 3rd for sure?
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Harpseal60
I'm not bossy, I just have better ideas than you.
10:27 AM on 07/29/2011
Time will tell....I think they would (temporarily)
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CaptainObvvious
Calling me a liberal is a compliment!
08:11 AM on 07/29/2011
How many times can we give the GOP exactly what they want before they will do what is right?

They wanted massive cuts and we agreed and gave a huge plan with revenue increases... They refused to agree to revenue increases so we took them out... They wanted a long term plan and we gave them that... Now they don't want a long term plan.

Their idea is to do nothing except postpone this debate for six months. That is ALL the GOP bill does.
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intolleft
ObamaCare...getting you shovel ready
07:25 AM on 07/29/2011
'Smatter Har, tea party crashing the establishment spending orgy?
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
So silly
07:15 AM on 07/29/2011
Times are tough when you need McConnel.
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hk usp 45
Hell No
04:02 AM on 07/29/2011
Why hasn't Reid been working on getting his plan passed?

It isn't like time is on our side.
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DRaymond
Network administrator, voiceovers
03:53 AM on 07/29/2011
The sad fact is that there are only two routes to a budget deal that do not go through McConnell.  And that is to either declare the debt limit unconstitutional or declare the filibuster unconstitutional,   I would be fine with the latter but it would cause a stink to high heaven.
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JAT3
For every action there is a reaction...
03:52 AM on 07/29/2011
The power of the people, the power of pursuedsion to do and be about the right thing.... "I can feel it coming in the night old Lord"
12:25 AM on 07/29/2011
Reid reminds me a lot of Adolf Hitler in both behavior and looks. He is a control freak and a very egotistical person who is a prime player and participant in putting this country in the financial mess that it finds itself. He, along with Pelosi and our President continue to borrow and spend while demonizing the Tea Party and anyone who goes up against their intent to bankrupt this country. Our government created this financial mess and has let down the citizens of this country by not admitting they have lost control, and man up and do something substantial to turn it around by approving the House sponsored CCB legislation. This is only plan that makes sense.
06:45 AM on 07/29/2011
You might want to get a pair of glasses...better yet, try a book...
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CaptainObvvious
Calling me a liberal is a compliment!
08:14 AM on 07/29/2011
If you think we need a balanced budget amendment then it should be debated in the open and not FORCED through by using the nation's credit as a hostage. That is borderline treason to use a hostage to force a change to our CONSTITUTION.

In the last 30 years or more the GOP has been the biggest contributors to the national debt. That is a fact.

The GOP is the party of borrow and spend because they spend just as much or more than Democrats but cut taxes at the same time to buy votes.

Not to mention that the plan on the table that offers the BIGGEST cuts is the Democrat plan.
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ProgressiveRG
Govt is us collectively caring for each other
10:16 PM on 07/28/2011
This super-committee idea is blatantly unconstitutional. We have a representative democracy. Who would be representing the people who don't have their Congressman on the committee? No one, that's who. If there are 12 on the committee, that leaves at least 38 states unrepresented. I say "at least" because in the House of Representatives they don't represent their whole state, only the people in their district. So most of the country would have no one representing their interests on this committee. WHAT A NIGHTMARE! I can't believe this is happening to my country. This is what happens when sane people don't vote.
06:04 PM on 08/01/2011
kinda like a central committee of a communist party.
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Timma
...paulatim crescam...
10:12 PM on 07/28/2011
I can't beleive the Super Commitee is gaining momentum. WTF's going on in DC?