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Elections 2012: Gay Marriage Proving To Be An Awkward Issue For Some GOP Presidential Candidates

DAVID CRARY   08/ 1/11 07:25 AM ET   AP

Gay Marriage Elections 2012

NEW YORK — Same-sex marriage might seem like a straightforward issue: You're for it or against it. Yet for the field of Republican presidential hopefuls, it's proving to be an awkward topic as public attitudes change and more states legalize gay unions, the latest being New York.

Numerous recent polls suggest a slim majority of Americans now back gay marriage. Support is highest among Democrats, but is growing across the political spectrum even while religious conservatives – a key part of the GOP primary electorate – remain largely opposed.

The result, according to political analysts from both major parties, is a dilemma for the leading GOP candidates, most of whom oppose same-sex marriage but tend to avoid raising the topic unless asked.

"They see the polling – more and more Republicans are supporting gay marriage," said David Welch, a former research director for the Republican National Committee. "It puts them in an awkward position with the younger members of the party and also with independents whose votes you need to win."

Richard Socarides, a former Clinton White House adviser on gay rights, said the political climate has changed rapidly and dramatically as leading Democrats celebrate the advent of gay marriage in New York and the imminent end of the ban on gays serving openly in the military under President Barack Obama.

"It's now advantageous for Democrats to support gay rights, and a net negative for Republicans to oppose them," Socarides said. "It's become extremely complicated for many of the Republican candidates who are used to using anti-gay rhetoric as a way to gin up their base."

Obama, though still not ready to endorse gay marriage, says he's "evolving" on the issue and is supporting a bill that would extend federal recognition to same-sex couples who marry in the six states that allow it.

New Hampshire is among those six states and also home to the first Republican primary next winter. According to conservative activists in the state, none of the major GOP presidential candidates has yet taken a public position on the ongoing effort by some Republican legislators to repeal the 2009 state law legalizing same-sex marriage.

Andy Smith, director of the University of New Hampshire Survey Center, predicted that most of the GOP contenders would continue trying to dodge the issue because of lukewarm public support for repeal.

However, David Bates, one of the lawmakers pushing for the repeal, says he and his colleagues intend to put some heat on the GOP contenders by scheduling debate on the repeal bill in the weeks leading up to the primary.

"We will be seeing to it that each candidate addresses it," Bates said. "They will not be able to duck it."

In Iowa, where social conservatives are likely to play a key role in the GOP caucus next winter, two candidates – Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota and former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania – both signed a pledge denouncing same-sex marriage rights. Former governors Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty were among those refusing to sign the pledge, but both issued statements stressing that they favored limiting marriage to one-man, one-woman unions.

Among the other major GOP candidates, former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman stands out as supporting civil unions, which would extend marriage-like rights to same-sex couples. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, a favorite of many libertarians, says he supports the right of states to legalize same-sex marriage but opposes any effort to require recognition of those unions on a national level.

Both Bachmann and Texas Gov. Rick Perry – a possible contender – have said they respect the rights of individual states to legalize same-sex marriage, yet both also say they would support an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would define marriage nationally as limited to heterosexual couples.

For Perry in particular, that stance involved some scrambling after he won applause at a Republican conference in Colorado on July 22 for his remarks about New York's same-sex marriage law.

"That's New York, and that's their business, and that's fine with me," said Perry, who was highlighting his support for states' rights.

Some leading social conservatives were dismayed by such comments from Perry, who they have strongly supported over the years. Eager to soothe the concerns, Perry did a broadcast interview Thursday with Tony Perkins of the conservative Family Research Council to clarify his Colorado remarks and make clear he still supported the federal marriage amendment.

"I probably needed to add a few words after that `It's fine with me,'" Perry said. "Obviously gay marriage is not fine with me. My stance hasn't changed. I believe marriage is a union between one man and one woman."

Bachmann built her political career in Minnesota on staunch advocacy of socially conservative positions, including opposition to abortion and gay marriage. In recent days, however, she has balked at answering questions about various gay-related topics, including reports that her husband's Christian counseling clinic has tried to convert gay patients away from homosexuality.

Chuck Donovan, a senior research fellow with the conservative Heritage Foundation, predicted that GOP candidates would face mounting pressure from left and right to be specific about the gay marriage issue, and not just fall back on endorsement of a federal constitutional ban that has no chance of passage any time soon, if ever.

On the other hand, Donovan said he understood why GOP candidates might soft-pedal their opposition to same-sex unions.

"Most of them sense they're not going to get the warmest media treatment if they come out and take a stance on the marriage issue," he said.

Jan van Lohuizen, who has done polling for George W. Bush and other Republicans, said most of the GOP contenders are faced with a common dilemma – if they trumpet their opposition to same-sex marriage to win conservative votes in GOP primaries, do they risk losing moderate votes in a general election?

His advice to GOP candidates on the marriage debate: "I would simply ignore it. The fiscal issues are so much more decisive than the social issues. Why go out on a limb with this one?"

The tea party movement, though its ranks include many social conservatives, has generally not sought to make same-sex marriage a dominant issue at this stage of the 2012 campaign.

"Because all the economic issues are going to explode, nobody except extreme hard-core advocates on each side will be talking it," said Judson Phillips, founder of the Tea Party Nation.

GOP candidates might be better off under this scenario, according to Phillips, who depicted same-sex marriage as "a hugely awkward issue for them."

Sal Russo, a strategist for the Tea Party Express, said the movement's followers are primarily concerned about the size and cost of government and have diverse views about social issues.

"We have libertarians who support same-sex marriage, and Christian activists who adamantly oppose it," he said.

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David Crary can be reached at http://twitter.com/CraryAP

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MarkInEugene
A blasphemy a day keeps the deities away.
02:47 PM on 08/14/2011
There is the deepest of ironies in the entire Gay Marriage debate that escapes most people and even a good number of LGBT citizens.

This is a struggle that will free everyone from preference oppression. This fight is for a precious gift of freedom that all of humanity will benefit from. The dysfunction caused by homophobia causes extreme depression, fear and a tragic waste of energy and time in the nation’s political discourse which should focus on more important issues.

Keeping the truth buried that sexual preference is on a continuum from gay to straight and we all fall on it somewhere, is one of the most glaring failures of human consciousness today.

The LGBT community is knocking at the door of consciousness in each one of us. Their message is: Wake Up....the door is open...you're not trapped in this guilt and fear borne out of antiquated religious belief that has long since lost its relevance. The healthy way forward is through understanding and acceptance of the diversity of love expressed between consenting adults.
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aaronrossi
governments should be afraid of their people
10:37 AM on 08/14/2011
give it another 12-16 years and NO ONE will be able to become president without supporting gay rights ENTIRELY! that day cannot come soon enough!
12:08 PM on 08/09/2011
"In recent days, however, she has balked at answering questions about various gay-related topics, including reports that her husband's Christian counseling clinic has tried to convert gay patients away from homosexuality."

Um, isn't that the raison d'etre of the clinic? Why would she "balk" at answering questions about its very purpose?

Could it be the lack of success in "convert[ing] patients away from homosexuality"? Just askin'.
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DuxMom
Wine merchant, parent, artist
10:14 AM on 08/05/2011
Land of the free and home of the brave... Unless you're gay. Then your rights are attacked. Equality for all has always been the American way. Then the religious conservatives decided equality was only for Jesus freaks. A. God does not exist. Have you met him? seen him at the mall? Friended him on Facebook? No. So you are choosing to believe in a myth. That's okay, but don't use it as an excuse to deny others their rights!!
B. All those wonderful gay weddings will bring dollars into your communities, and those couples will become families, maybe have or adopt some kids that will attend your schools, pay taxes into your school system. Etc. Stop being tiny-brained. Equality for all.
wordsalad12
Caring for innocent life after they are born.
03:41 PM on 08/03/2011
This is the problem with politicians - they put chameleons to shame with their color-chaning prowess. Only chameleons have more substance and spine than politicians.
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talkstocoyotes
02:23 PM on 08/03/2011
***His advice to GOP candidates on the marriage debate: "I would simply ignore it. The fiscal issues are so much more decisive than the social issues. Why go out on a limb with this one?"***

An excellent reason for marriage equality advocates to try and bring this up as much as possible.

And neither Republicans nor Democrats are going to weasel out of it by pious footnotes like "but I support civil unions." Not this time.
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Alisa Neely
i SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS....EQUAL RIGHTS really....i f
06:08 PM on 08/15/2011
i totally agree....people need to KEEP the pressure on all those running....it's TIME to STAND UP for what's right....and that's EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL....and that includes GAY RIGHTS....and their RIGHT to marriage and all that comes with it.

alisa
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Djay0252
America needs to Bless God
08:53 AM on 08/03/2011
It's simple chemistry. Politicians rise to power because they are so full of hot air!!
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2Patriotic4U
IN GOD WE TRUST!
09:17 PM on 08/02/2011
It is a shame that Rand Paul does not want to run for President in 2012. His common sense approach to the issues is truly refreshing and what this nation needs.

http://youtu.be/ELDHaeEsNF0
Dealerdeb1
Conservative Libertarian truth
05:15 AM on 08/03/2011
I thhnk he has the absolute best idea for the mess. I love his 1% solution but it is too simple for the simplemionded libs to wrap their arms around. It would cause the least pain and everyone would have to cut 1 %
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10:30 PM on 08/03/2011
Common sense is not something I'd generally associate with Rand Paul.
12:10 PM on 08/09/2011
Ditto. Besides, this column is not about "cutting" - ANY - percent. It's about gay marriage, not fiscal concerns.
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wilray
50,000 Screaming Fans (Ignore that other number)
05:19 PM on 08/02/2011
What are the Republicans to do, if wedge issues fail them? How can they use divide and conquer, if most people are lining up on the same side of the issue.

The were warned that this day was coming; they chose not to heed that warning. Judgment Day 2012 is not what they thought it would be; they're chickens are finally coming home to roost.
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Karma2U
Blessed are the Peacemakers
04:52 PM on 08/02/2011
When you have very little real world life experience, many issues are akward, if not impossible to discuss.
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Hoosierbrad
I know it when I see it.
04:39 PM on 08/02/2011
Republicans, and their single-issue political voters, now find a single issue that may cost them votes. I love it!
IWantTofu
Evolution. Now a political position.
03:42 PM on 08/02/2011
NH has legalized gay marriage in 2009. One of the big arguments against gay marriage was that opposite sex marriage was threatened by it. You have now two years and can say whether there was any harm. Now the opponents to gay marriage will now try to gin up another excuse.
07:10 PM on 08/02/2011
And Massachusetts did so in 2004. And yet the sky is still up there. Members of the Republican Tea Party must be so disappointed.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
11:43 PM on 08/02/2011
And Canada has had marriage nationwide since I believe 2005 and they are doing just fine.
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kimbanyc
LIBERAL NY DEMOCRAT
01:58 PM on 08/02/2011
Naked CityTHE REAL SINS OF RICK PERRY

BY LEE NICHOLSOn Tuesday morning, a small group of protesters
gathered at the Governor's Mansion for what was disingenuously billed
as a "support rally" for Gov. Rick Perry, under the theme, "It's OK to
Be Gay." As any Austinite with access to e-mail or a cell phone knows
by now, for a couple of months rumors concerning the governor's
personal life have been flying furiously around the Capitol, the
capital city, the state, and indeed most of the Western Hemisphere.
The variations are multiple and quite inventive – we won't recount
them here – but at their core is the tale that the governor's marriage
is in trouble, that his wife Anita has/will/may decide to divorce him,
and that the issue is Rick's alleged infidelity, with one or another
member of his administration of undetermined gender.

http://www­.austinchr­onicle.com­/news/2004­-02-27/198­958/
07:12 PM on 08/02/2011
A Republican unfaithful??? Say not so. Why, that's just not fambly values.
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gevan
big dubya
01:15 PM on 08/02/2011
I guess they are not against gay marriage per se. It's just that gay men ought to marry gay women like they have in the past. I would put that question to them.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
01:42 PM on 08/02/2011
Why? So that the heterosexual paradigm can continue to be pushed as the only form of marriage. This may surprise you but there are a lot of us that don't like living a lie.
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gevan
big dubya
07:50 PM on 08/02/2011
Then whip those other 44 states into line.
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Alisa Neely
i SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS....EQUAL RIGHTS really....i f
06:14 PM on 08/15/2011
that's a good one....lol....i like that.

alisa
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chipchuck
Rethink that...
12:24 PM on 08/02/2011
This is laughable at best. The GOP hates homosexuallity and are only flirting the issue so they don't look like total bigots with independent voters.

Why are their still people that believe these liars?
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Alisa Neely
i SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS....EQUAL RIGHTS really....i f
06:15 PM on 08/15/2011
because their complete FOOLS, that's why.

alisa