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Defense Cuts Are Likely, But Their Impact Remains Hard To Predict

Defense Cuts

First Posted: 08/02/11 01:17 PM ET Updated: 10/02/11 06:12 AM ET

The debt deal reached by the White House and congressional Republicans this Sunday includes $350 billion in security cuts over the next 10 years, with as much as $600 billion in additional defense spending cuts if the proposed congressional committee can't enact $1.2 trillion in savings.

But it remains unclear which specific areas of U.S. defense spending would be affected by the new cuts, and the actual language of the House bill contains little specificity. Winslow Wheeler, a project director at the Center for Defense Information, said the $350 billion figure doesn't refer to Department of Defense spending, but instead to the larger umbrella category of security spending.

The cuts could affect a number of other agencies besides Defense, Wheeler wrote in an email, including the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Veterans Affairs and the Department of Energy.

“Defense is going to get cut. I just don’t know how big it’s going to be,” said Chris Hellman, a senior research analyst at the National Priorities Project.

“The defense wonks that I hang out with online spent a good portion of yesterday trying to figure out exactly what it was we were looking at,” Hellman said on Tuesday. “And I don’t think we’ve come to a consensus.”

The U.S. defense budget, which accounts for about a fifth of all federal spending, has risen 80 percent since 2001 and 33 percent since 2006. A fact sheet provided by the White House on Sunday's deal called the proposed cuts “the first defense cut since the 1990s.”

Even though the defense budget hasn’t been reduced in decades, cuts in some form had been floated for much of the debt-ceiling negotiations. Earlier this year, President Barack Obama had proposed cuts of $400 billion at the Pentagon, and it was reported at one point that his administration might be looking to cut as much as $700 billion in national security-related spending.

During the weeks of negotiations that culminated in Sunday’s deal, defense cuts emerged as an especially contentious point for conservatives. Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld wrote in the Wall Street Journal that it would be "a grievous mistake” to cut the proposed $400 billion. Rep. Buck McKeon, who chairs the House Armed Services Committee, accused Obama of “irresponsible leadership,” saying that cutting $400 billion from defense spending “would wholly gut the military and callously endanger the American homeland.”

As of Tuesday, Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich are among the prominent conservatives who have criticized the defense cuts in the tentative deal struck over the weekend.

‘UNCERTAIN AND INDISTINCT’

“We’re headed for a defense build-down,” said Gordon Adams, professor of U.S. foreign policy at American University’s School of International Service.

“We did a build-down after the Second World War, we did one after Korea, we did one after Vietnam, we did one after the end of the Cold War," Adams told The Huffington Post. "And guess what? We’re coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan. We’re going to do another one now.”

The proposed cuts would be felt in a number of industries. The manufacturing, service, IT, communications and electronics industries would be among those affected. But Adams said the economic impact is not likely to be dramatic.

“The defense budget overall is about 4.5 percent of the gross domestic product,” said Adams. “That’s the whole defense budget. If you extract from it the roughly 30 percent that we spend buying stuff, now you’re at 1.5 percent of the gross domestic product. That’s buying the equipment and the electronics and the IT and the communications.”

That 1.5 percent in consumption will never fall to zero, said Adams, “because you have to buy some stuff.”

But that doesn't mean the cuts couldn't have an effect. Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin, two of the world’s largest defense contractors, both saw their profits decline in the second quarter of 2011. Northrop CEO Wesley Bush has reportedly cited the budget debate in Washington as one factor depressing his company’s sales.

Though conservatives have warned that defense cuts would leave the United States vulnerable, Adams was less concerned about the impact on national security.

“It doesn’t mean the end of Western civilization as we know it,” he said.

Assuming defense gets $350 billion in cuts, plus the additional $500 to $600 billion in so-called sequestered defense cuts that would be triggered if Congress is deadlocked on how to find another $1.2 trillion in savings by the end of year, those cuts combined would still only represent about 13 percent of the projected defense budget for the next 10 years, Adams said.

By comparison, he said, there was a 36 percent decrease in defense spending between 1985 and 1998. And “we ended up in 1998 with the force that used Saddam Hussein as a speed bump,” Adams said.

As of now, it remains to be seen what kind of cuts defense will receive. Wheeler told The Huffington Post that even if Congress fails to put together its own package of cuts by Thanksgiving, and the additional $500 billion in sequestered defense cuts are triggered, the Department of Defense is likely escape the worst of it.

“The debt deal kicks the defense budget can down the road for this and future Congresses,” Wheeler wrote. “People should not read precision and certainty into a political deal specifically designed to be uncertain and indistinct.”

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The debt deal reached by the White House and congressional Republicans this Sunday includes $350 billion in security cuts over the next 10 years, with as much as $600 billion in additional defense spe...
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07:34 PM on 08/18/2011
That will be the last thing they cut ,

after the C.I.A. Then another 9/11.
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Red Herring
Retired Miner, living in third world
12:10 PM on 08/03/2011
“The defense budget overall is about 4.5 percent of the gross domestic product,”

This statement is nonsence. The defence budget approaches 40 cents of every dollar the US spends every year. These guys like to quote the 530 billion allocated to the Pentagon. This number does not include a great number of defence bills, like for instance the cost of the three wars the military is fighting in Iraq, Afganistan and Pakistan. It also excludes Coast Guard, Homeland Security, The CIA and on and on. There are some 400 intelligence agencies ignored by that 530 billion figure as well.

The cuts proposed do nothing to curb current expenditures in bloated military spending, they are to the funding of future military programs. This is slight of hand at it's worse. The USA has to stop pouring money into a Pentagon that despite all of the hype has not been able to win a war since the Second World War. One has to ask, just how would a trillion a year poured into the american infrastructure transform this country? As it stands it is poured into the military and is squandered on things that have no benefit to the country.
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jimme
Being liberal is true freedom.
02:50 AM on 08/03/2011
If you cut DOD $$$$, the red_states would really suffer and realize that the big/bad Government isn't so bad after all. You watch, if anything is cut, it won't be in a red_state.
11:40 PM on 08/02/2011
defund it the poor are the ones who will be hurt. Never a lot of thought process form the lib/prog & socialist just a bunch of confusion
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Red Herring
Retired Miner, living in third world
12:13 PM on 08/03/2011
Another major contributor to the rising debt and deficit has been the huge tax breaks granted giant corporations and the very affluent layers of the society. For example, according to Citizens for Tax Justice (CTJ), known for its accurate reports on taxation, the combined amount of taxes paid by the following 12 corporations for the 2008-2010 period was zero - no, it was less than zero! Collectively, they got $2.5 billion in refunds.

The 12 corporations were: Exxon Mobile, Wells Fargo, DuPont, American Electric Power, Boeing, FedEx, IBM, General Electric, Honeywell International, United Technologies, Verizon Communications, and Yahoo. CTJ reports that "from 2008 through 2010, these 12 companies reported $171 billion in pretax US profits. But as a group, their federal income taxes were negative: –$2.5 billion." (It must be pointed out that although the total federal income taxes for the group of 12 as a whole was negative, four out of 12 paid some federal tax, but the little tax that those four paid was more than offset by the other seven companies' not having paid any.)
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raleigh1997
Oh no officer, I forgot my papers and/or ID!
10:20 PM on 08/02/2011
Never going to happen!
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kenhamlett
09:18 PM on 08/02/2011
I wish it would, but this will never happen. They will start another war to cover the continuing expenses if they have to, but they are never going to walk away from that trough!
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kamact
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08:59 PM on 08/02/2011
Cut it in half,...our country spends too much in defense,...
08:15 PM on 08/02/2011
"Defense cuts?" I'll believe it when I see it.
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leftLibertarian
Don't vote for Obama or Romney
07:35 PM on 08/02/2011
Shut down all US military bases overseas NOW - that is an order!!
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cschoenen
"Evil conquers when good men do nothing"
09:46 AM on 08/03/2011
F/F!!!!
shylove2
warfare state is pathological
06:54 PM on 08/02/2011
Good point, forces that used Iraq as a speed bump because they had been destroyed in the Gulf War, soldier duck shoot leaving what is referred to as the Gulf War widows and a generation without fathers, that following serving our interests in the Iran-Iraq War where another generation of war widows were created. Because there was a weapons inspection and destruction program for ten years and sanctions on the society and a no fly zone with destruction of radar facilities if they lit up a plane and a few other several day bombardments.

So these then, were the ones we told the UN General Assembly, presented an imminent threat to the domestic security of the US, the worlds only super power with a defense budget roughtly equal to that of the entire rest or planet Earth combined.... and we are afraid of them and must take preemoptive action without any need of Security Council aopproval... and now we are afraid of a few defense cuts because of our system is so gargantuan we can hardlky keep all of its head above water without gigantic cost plus contracts for the defense industries gluttonous appetite. The more defense we have the more demo wars we have to have to keep on selling our old weapons and designing and making new ones for the the rest of the world to get too.
Mentioning the fall of western civilizafion. Stay tuned, Remember how fast the Soviet Union dissolved don't you?
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GrumpyinAZ
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06:37 PM on 08/02/2011
You can start with those """Spare""" aircraft engines the Air Force doesn't want but they are built in Boehners District, The Missle Defense Shield that doesn't work and protects us from a threat that doesn't exist, and the Osprey in the picture that has been in deveolpment for generations.
Then we could reimpose a salary cap of $250,000 on all government employees
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06:30 PM on 08/02/2011
they could cut the defense/security spending by half and we still would be the most powerful nation in the world militarily 10X over.
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Michael Ruiz
06:17 PM on 08/02/2011
Obama is a puppet for the Military industrial complex... So would any other president be except RON PAUL
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raleigh1997
Oh no officer, I forgot my papers and/or ID!
10:17 PM on 08/02/2011
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Just about wet myself laughing.
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lackofoversight
GOP --- Greed Over People
06:08 PM on 08/02/2011
“the first defense cut since the 1990s.”

The first cut since the 1990s? That is absurd. We still have bases in Western Europe (like Germany) that have been there since WWII ... 70 years .... And they're very expensive. I say if the wealthy Euro zone still wants our bases there, then they can pay us dollar for dollar to keep them or else we should shut them down and save the billions we need here at home.
05:56 PM on 08/02/2011
If defense promotes growth like they say, I wished they would rather choose space exploration instead. At least kids would dream prettier things.