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Super Congress Debt Reduction Has Little Transparency

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First Posted: 08/02/11 01:37 PM ET Updated: 10/02/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- The proposed so-called "super Congress," created by congressional leaders in the debt deal and required to find $1.5 trillion in debt reduction over the next ten years, could wind up making those decisions behind closed doors, away from the public eye.

The text of the budget deal reached by President Barack Obama and congressional leaders contains few specific public disclosure provisions for the committee. The standing committees of Congress are allowed to send suggestions for ways to reduce the debt to the super committee members, but there is, as yet, no provision for the disclosure of those reports. The final report is required to be publicly disclosed upon completion, however there is no requirement that the report be placed online. There are also no official requirements for web-casting of committee meetings.

"Anything that they are getting should be made public," Steve Ellis, vice president of Taxpayers for Common Sense, said to HuffPost. "If someone is going to send something to the committee and say, 'this is what our opinions are,' the public has a right to know that."

Transparency advocates want to make sure the super committee operates in the open and in a manner that is responsive to the public, especially as it is tasked with crafting such an important policy.

"Since they have a direct route to the floor and the bill can't be amended, this committee should be accountable to the public," John Wonderlich, policy director of the Sunlight Foundation, told HuffPost. "It's not just that we see the bill when it's finished, but we see what was proposed beforehand."

"I think it's disappointing that they didn't put more transparency into the legislation," Project On Government Oversight's Angela Canterbury, director of public policy, said to HuffPost. "The only thing that I saw in the legislation was that they should make public their proposal and legislative language. That's not going to cut it. That's not even the minimum we should expect."

Aside from the specific language in the bill, the super committee could fall flat on transparency by simply following the rules for committee openness.

While the House Rules were updated by Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-Ohio) to include a provision requiring committees to webcast their hearings "to the maximum extent possible," some very important committee business was conducted without video or audio broadcast. The House Appropriations subcommittees routinely held bill markups in rooms that were not wired for video or audio, cutting the public out of the process.

Even worse, the Senate Armed Services subcommittees held all but one of their markups for this year's defense authorization bill in closed session. The only open session was held by Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), chairwoman of the Subcommittee on Readiness And Management Support.

The co-chairs of the committee will be able to set their own rules for the committee, providing an opportunity to set openness rules. The rules for joint committees requires that the first meeting be held in open session and be used to determine committee rules.

"The co-chairs can make this a transparent process so that the public can participate and all of the members of Congress can remain informed," Canterbury said.

Another concern is that the super committee could turn into shark bait for lobbyists.

"Our lobbying disclosure laws are easily evaded, and only require reporting quarterly for those who don't skirt the law," Wonderlich wrote in a blog post on Tuesday. "Committee members should go beyond statutory requirements, and post every meeting they take with lobbyists or other powerful interests online, along with any materials submitted to them."

The Obama administration routinely set lobbying disclosure rules beyond those required under law for regulatory and spending decisions that were connected to large, well-known pieces of legislation. Both the stimulus bill spending and the regulations set under the Dodd-Frank financial reform law have been subject to extensive lobbying disclosure requirements.

The committee structure, however, does not appear to be designed for transparency and public access. By tying the hands of the committee through time constraints and reporting deadlines, congressional leaders made it harder for the group to operate in an open manner.

Ellis explained that the time constraints placed on the "super Congress" will require a "balancing act" between public access and efficiency: "It's as much about form as it is about function."

"This is the same as the whole debt debate," Wonderlich said. "The power struggle trumps process entirely. The committee is designed for power, not for transparency and accountability."

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WASHINGTON -- The proposed so-called "super Congress," created by congressional leaders in the debt deal and required to find $1.5 trillion in debt reduction over the next ten years, could wind up mak...
WASHINGTON -- The proposed so-called "super Congress," created by congressional leaders in the debt deal and required to find $1.5 trillion in debt reduction over the next ten years, could wind up mak...
 
 
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02:41 PM on 08/14/2011
Why would they want transparency? Their corporate masters don't want to be seen in the light of day. Keeping it behind closed doors helps keep the hoi polloi from taking notice and maybe getting angry as their country is gutted of everything that made it great. Goodbye (remaining) social protections; hello endless mega-war. We live in truly Orwellian times; he just got it 30 years ahead of reality.
10:18 AM on 08/07/2011
The super congress is another effort to corrupt and defeat,this should should be done in plain view not behind closed door. The decisions effect our lives and we should be included in the decision making. If this is suppose to be another oversight committee, I hope Issa is not on it , he need to explain what happened in San Franisco..not clear? The hoodlum element is running rampid in the republican party,giving people license to intimidate and threaten people who don't agree with them.
You should have clean hands at least..they don't.
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Dr Juan
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09:01 AM on 08/06/2011
Iceland defaulted, kicked out big bankers and put the government that created the unmanageable deficit in jail. Now they are heading for a direct democracy where teh entire population is involved instead of politicians working in the shadows like we now have:

http://singularityhub.com/2011/08/03/25-ordinary-citizens-write-icelands-new-constitution-with-help-from-social-media/
04:46 PM on 08/05/2011
this is an act of treason. 535 congress members and now only 12 matter! what states will be represented? tv media is down playing how serious this is! this is similar to how the soviet union dictated their communist agenda!!
11:59 PM on 08/04/2011
It appears that the bulk of American people at large, either don't care or are just too preoccupied with all the readily available entertainment, gadgets, and other forms of diversion utilized by those that have pulled off the most well thought out and executed coup in the entire history of Earth. The America millions have died to protect has been hijacked by a few soulless, heartless greedy pukes. To bad the reflection they get back from the mirror does not bother them.
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mlaiuppa
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06:55 PM on 08/04/2011
If an unconstitutional SuperCongress is going to be foist on us, then it should be mandatory taht they be SuperTransparent and have SuperStrict rules, including disclosure.
05:45 PM on 08/04/2011
If a STUD FIELD MOUSE runs for Congress in this coming election, I'm voting for him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mlaiuppa
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06:55 PM on 08/04/2011
I'll be voting for any Dead Chihuahua that wants to run.
12:08 AM on 08/05/2011
Ron Paul in 2012. America's last hope. Unfortunately even should he win. I fear too much damage has been done to correct. Too many powerful wealthy people with hidden agenda's have had too big of a head start. The American people slept too long.. How sad for those that lost limbs and life thinking they were defending The real America. When in fact they were defending those that have turned our constitution into toilet paper. How sad..
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WillowInTheWind
I'm a moderate but to the GOP, that makes me a lib
05:44 PM on 08/04/2011
This "Congress" is so incredibly inept, it's unbelievable. I have a theory as to why this is: 99% of the voting public is unqualified to perform the tasks that we ask Congress to perform. The ones that understand this are traditionally moderates and independents and correspondingly vote for the person that they feel is most qualified to perform the job. However, a substantial percentage of voters who prefer to let others do their thinking for them in turn vote for candidates that they identify with emotionally with absolutely no thought as to their qualifications. As a result, they elect people who are basically unqualified to perform the tasks required of them. The net result is the current situation of a completely inept Congress. Not knowing what to do, many of these unqualified congress people resort to doing nothing ,AKA: they stand on "principal" which is just another phrase for "I don't know what the hell I'm doing up here, so I'm not going to do anything". They become obstructionists, road blocks to any sort of progress and they are darn proud of their stature. The people that could actually do the job either don't have the political clout to get elected or don't want the job as they are already successful and comfortable at what they do. The result is the current crop of ego centric morally questionable hypocrites that currently occupy many of the seats on the far right side of the aisle and the corresponding 14% approval rating.
05:43 PM on 08/04/2011
WHO and I mean WHO set up this new "Super Congress"??????? I know me and my friends didn't and I think most of America didn't, so where the hell does this authority come from????
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naschkatze
A free man creates himself.
05:51 PM on 08/04/2011
F/F. Exactly my questions. From reading this post, I gather that "Congressional leaders" will appoint them, and that means Reid, Pelosi, Boehner and McConnell at least. They might include their 2nd and 3rd in command, but you still have to ask, "From where does this power to appoint come from?" Certainly not from the Constitution. Has anyone heard of a court challenge yet?
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mlaiuppa
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06:59 PM on 08/04/2011
It will result in taxation without representation since the vast majority of us will NOT have voted for these elitist twelve. But what a windfall for the artificial people (corporations) Instead of having to spend money lobbying 535 they only need to concentrate on 12.
02:03 PM on 08/06/2011
Isn't taxation without representation un-constitional? Sorry, I may have misspelled that word as I am extremely upset by all this. It is Nancy Pelosi who is proposing this "super congress" to legislate behind closed doors.
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Oregon Mick
No bread? Let them eat micro-bio!
05:42 PM on 08/04/2011
With only 12 members is will be easier to point fingers and crack jokes about them. But it does raise the question, what are we pay all those other people for? By the way sense I will not have a congressman on the committee am I no longer represented in congress? Even without David Wu, who is looking after my intrests?
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mlaiuppa
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07:00 PM on 08/04/2011
This is absolutely correct since their primary job is to do the budget. If only 12 are now doing that, then the others are just sitting around getting paid for nothing.
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Oregon Mick
No bread? Let them eat micro-bio!
07:39 PM on 08/04/2011
Thanks for not pointing out my very bad typing on that one. Wow.
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08:49 AM on 08/14/2011
So I guess maybe we could start saving money by furloughing everyone in Congress except the 12 Super-beings.
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Oregon Mick
No bread? Let them eat micro-bio!
09:14 AM on 08/14/2011
I think you may be right.
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ATLiberal
WINNING!
05:17 PM on 08/04/2011
The first problem with this concept is that the words Super and Congress are mutually exclusive.
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MUDPUPPY
05:12 PM on 08/04/2011
If it weren't so tragic, it would be humorous how politicians pretend to be economists.
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naschkatze
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05:52 PM on 08/04/2011
Amen, Mudpuppy.
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05:10 PM on 08/04/2011
The approval rate for Congress in the latest CNN poll is 14%.
That's the lowest approval rate ever, suggesting a deeper discontent than at any other time in modern history... and rightfully so.
A "Super" Congress??? Have they forgotten that this is America?? This is the time for the people of this country to put aside their differences and vote all of these overly ambitious, power hungry, greedy, bought and paid for clowns out of office. If we don't, we the people lose big time.
05:00 PM on 08/04/2011
I don't want this Super Congress at all. In addition I'm all for transparency. However after the last 3 weeks of the Debt Ceiling Follies, I think I'm understanding why they are getting less and less transparent. Every time Boehner scratched his nose it was all over the media. They keep us on pins and needles, pissed off and angry. Everybody is calling and emailing their representatives about stuff which may or may not be true. They want to sacrifice 12 elected officials so that the others can slack even more and sign more pledges. Nice.
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Oregon Mick
No bread? Let them eat micro-bio!
05:46 PM on 08/04/2011
Well, they should be able to go from zero to deadlocked a whole lot quicker. That's something I suppose.
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naschkatze
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05:53 PM on 08/04/2011
Yes, but Nancy is just quoted as saying they won't draw a line in the sand.
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04:52 PM on 08/04/2011
Where was the outrage 2 weeks ago when this private congress was announced? I felt like the only one yelling. This aberration is bad for everyone.. The congress has abdicated its responsibility to an elite cabal. Once it is place and functional, who believes it will just go away when its job is done? We need a constitutional challenge, and quickly. Even tho the system is broken, this assures that it will not be repaired democratically. This is the first time that I have ever been afraid of my government. In the immortal words of Pogo; "We has met the enemy, and they is us".
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naschkatze
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05:54 PM on 08/04/2011
The outrage has been here and other sites. There just is no public outrage (that we know of) and no outrage from politicians in the Congress.