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Dow Jones Plunges 513 Points, Suffering Worst Single-Day Drop Since October 2008


First Posted: 08/04/11 05:14 PM ET Updated: 10/04/11 06:12 AM ET

NEW YORK -- Stocks plunged Thursday in the worst one-day drop in more than two years, as investors absorbed fears that the American economy could enter a new recession.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 4.3 percent during the day, and the Standard & Poor's 500 Index lost 4.8 percent, as investors dumped risky assets and clambered for safety.

A week's worth of declines in the stock market erupted into an outright plunge as a stream of bad news kept coming: The American economy is barely growing; the federal government is preparing to slash spending; and a growing crisis in Europe increasingly threatens to send shock waves through the system.

Experts say investors have factored in a terrifying risk -- that the economy might begin to contract.

"With the policymakers out of bullets and the economy slowing, the market is re-pricing the possibility of a genuine double-dip recession," said John Richards, head of strategy at Royal Bank of Scotland in the Americas.

"It isn't like that's everybody's mainline scenario, and it doesn't have to be for markets to go down," he continued. "All you've done is increased the risk of the double dip from one-in-20 to one-in-five, or maybe one-in-three. That's enough to cause a major sell-off in a market like this."

The bad news started Friday, when the government announced the economy grew at an annual rate of just 0.85 percent in the first half of the year. Seen in relation to population growth, gross domestic product actually shrank during the first three months of the year.

Over the weekend, lawmakers in Washington struck a deal that suggested help would not be on the way. Instead of renewing economic stimulus programs, the debt ceiling deal enacted large spending cuts over the next decade, a program that many experts say could threaten economic progress.

A plan for fiscal tightening could hardly be coming at a worse time, as key economic indicators point to a weakening recovery. The Institute for Supply Management announced Monday that the manufacturing sector had barely grown at all in July. Consumer spending fell in June, the government announced Tuesday, for the first decline in nearly two years.

Much as the end of a real estate boom in Japan in the 1990s set that country up for a so-called lost decade, the sense seems to be taking hold that the United States may now be following suit.

"The realization is dawning on the world that the future of the United States is bleak, that what we have been seeing is what we got. It's not going to really get much better," said Allen Sinai, chief global economist at Decision Economics.

"Our situation is not unlike Japan's," he continued. "When that realization dawns on financial markets, you get a huge shift in sentiment. It's always extreme."

The gloomy situation at home got an unwelcome jolt from abroad on Thursday, as investors began to fear for the economic health of Italy. After an announcement by the European Central Bank made it seem that the monetary authority might not intervene to assist the economies of Italy and Spain, investors entered panic mode, causing the yields on Italian debt to shoot higher.

It was only the latest sign of the worsening crisis among countries that share the euro currency. With Greece mired in a fiscal disaster, experts fear a widespread loss of confidence among investors, a scenario that could raise the cost of borrowing for a group of weak nations -- and even push governments into default.

"The crisis has entered a self-fulfilling phase," said Biagio Lapolla, a rates strategist at Royal Bank of Scotland in London. "We're not talking anymore about a specific country's problem. We're talking about a euro-wide systemic crisis."

Interest rates on Italian debt rose to fresh highs as the Italian stock market plunged. Yields on 10-year Italian debt rose above 6.2 percent Thursday, as the difference between that rate and the rate of relatively safe German debt reached a new record.

Meanwhile, stocks in the U.S. were dropping. The Dow lost 513 points by the stock market's close.

Investors piled into safe-haven Treasury debt as they sold equities, pushing U.S. debt yields lower. The interest rate on the 10-year Treasury note plunged to 2.4 percent, a level not seen since last fall, Bloomberg data show.

All eyes are on Friday's unemployment report. The jobless rate, at 9.2 percent in June, has risen for three straight months, intensifying worries that the economy could slow to a stall.

"Fears the U.S. economy is headed for another recession have started to grow again," said Paul Dales, senior U.S. economist at Capital Economics. "It really started around the end of last week, when we had a really weak GDP report in the United States, and then it's just grown from that."

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NEW YORK -- Stocks plunged Thursday in the worst one-day drop in more than two years, as investors absorbed fears that the American economy could enter a new recession. The Dow Jones Industrial Ave...
NEW YORK -- Stocks plunged Thursday in the worst one-day drop in more than two years, as investors absorbed fears that the American economy could enter a new recession. The Dow Jones Industrial Ave...
NEW YORK -- Stocks plunged Thursday in the worst one-day drop in more than two years, as investors absorbed fears that the American economy could enter a new recession. The Dow Jones Industrial Ave...
NEW YORK -- Stocks plunged Thursday in the worst one-day drop in more than two years, as investors absorbed fears that the American economy could enter a new recession. The Dow Jones Industrial Ave...
 
 
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10:38 PM on 08/07/2011
thanks liberals, you're causing the economy to crush with your uncreditworthiness.

Go get a job
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Neets101
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02:54 PM on 08/08/2011
So, the whole rush to kill the consumer in a consumer based economy didn't work out very well for the neocons.

Let the trickling commence!
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kemcha
liberals are destroying this country
04:42 PM on 08/07/2011
Worse days are coming. If anyone though that Thursday 513 point drop was an aberration then you haven't seen anything yet. When the Tokyo markets open up at 8PM tonight, watch their markets drop and when Wall Street opens in the morning, investors are going to flee the stock markets and the bond markets. I would hazard a guess and say that we could see a drop of more than 500 points come Monday morning.
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10:38 PM on 08/07/2011
liberals could try getting a job
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One more Thing
11:50 PM on 08/07/2011
I think you are right. If not, Republicans will find another excuse to demolish the economy before the presidential election.
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kemcha
liberals are destroying this country
12:02 AM on 08/08/2011
The problem is that Republicans cannot afford to let that happen to our economy because the downside to that is that they risk doing irreparable damage to our economy not to mention a global depression that would result in disaster for stock markets all over the world.
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dontomas
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02:10 PM on 08/07/2011
One must remember, that like the air we breath, wealth does not disappear it just changes hands.
Usually those with the most money and reserves are there to scoop up the bargains created by economic downfalls. This has been going on for centuries. Back when farmers were selling their lands at depressed prices, the corporations were there and as a result most farming is now corporate mega farms. Rises and falls in the economy are the fuel that creates great wealth for the upper tiers in our society.
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hempster
Let it be said, let it be written, let it be done.
06:25 PM on 08/06/2011
Not to worry. The stock market goes up and down. Some people make money on it going either way. It's a "phony way to shop", IMHO However for the record and this was actually posted on HP this week: Ten largest stock market falls. Seven happened under GW Bush and Two under Clinton and the last one Obama. Following is a listing, FYI:

08/31/98 513 6.4% Clinton

08/04/11 513 4.3% Obama

10/22/08 514 5.7% GW Bush

10/27/97 554 7.2% Clinton

04/14/00 618 5.7% GW Bush

10/09/08 679 7.3% GW Bush

12/01/08 680 7.7% GW Bush

09/17/01 685 7.1% GW Bush

10/15/08 733 7.9% GW Bush

09/29/08 778 7.0% GW Bush

Obama has the smallest percentage loss of the ten major dumps. In fact the market has risen, as in most democratic administration, approx 3K points. The day Barack was inaugurated the market was at 79XX currently it's at 11,8XX

Take from this what you will. Thanks.
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billw8017
History looks like this
02:33 AM on 08/07/2011
Through a greater span of time, the worst stock market crashes were
17 April 1930-8 July 1932, 86% The DJIA fell from 294 to 41. The full recovery came in 1954
10 March 1937-31 March 1939, 49% FDR had decided to reduce the deficit. Bad idea.
19 Jan 1906-15 Nov 1907, 48.5% The NYSE actually shut down for awhile.
3 Sept 1929-13 Nov 1929, 47.9% This is the one we think of as the great crash of 1929.
3 Nov 1919-24 Aug 1921, 46.6% The beginning of the "roaring 20s" Coolidge was Reagan's ideal
17 June 1901-9 Nov 1903, 46.1% Life expectancy was 47 yrs, wage was 22c/hr, $300 annually.
8 Jan 1973-9 Nov 1974, 45.1% Just in case you ever wondered how Nixon was impeached.
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hempster
Let it be said, let it be written, let it be done.
11:12 AM on 08/07/2011
For some "a walk down memory lane" FandFvsd for scholarship. Thanks.
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Jeff081
Cass Tecnical H.S., Detroit, MI, (same h.s. Diana
12:17 PM on 08/06/2011
Wait'll Monday, that'll be an interesting trading day.
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vietveter
To the FAR LEFT
12:10 PM on 08/06/2011
T H I S I S what happens when

we bail out Wall St
11:52 AM on 08/06/2011
Oh weird seems like the insiders new S and P would be downgrading the US. Insider Trading for sure.
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vietveter
To the FAR LEFT
12:11 PM on 08/06/2011
Only women and poor people

are prosecuted for that.
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TruelyFedUp
Ethics is nothing else than reverence for life.
11:32 AM on 08/06/2011
Another crash with no safety net. How the hell did we collectively fail when history clearly shows that fiat money always crashes and chaos and suffering results?

With the US population around 312 million people and the labor force said to be just over 153 million it tells us that each person working supports 2 people. With the real unemployment rate around 23% ( http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts )there are 35,236,000 unemployed and 70,472,000 affected because the unemployed are therefore not supporting the other 1 person that they would if they had a job & essentially doubling the size of the problem.

Americans affected by unemployment totals MORE than the combined populations of Australia and Spain. If those governments lied to their populations by pretending less than half the true statistics and they had NO viable solution things would change in those governments FAST because of the need of the people.

This is the magnitude of the problem here - with no end in sight.

What are we gonna do folks? Ignore it and wait for our ineffective government to get a clue? Or figure out some real solutions...
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billw8017
History looks like this
01:37 AM on 08/07/2011
All money is to some extent "fiat" money. It should seem precious metals are "commodity" money, but, when money, their prices are fixed and there is a common coin in copper which would be highly variable except for being money. The money value of precious metals and copper are linked to banknotes and credit; that is, there is a "private" release of paper money.

"Fiat" is just a pretentious word that some think implies sovereign paper money is somehow a lesser form of money. In point of fact, coins of precious metals have often been corrupted and "reformed." Money did hold its value during the 19th century but largely because productivity increased some 40x which made it easier to hold stable prices. After WWI efforts to restore former values had somewhat to do with creating the Great Depression.

Unemployment is very expensive both for sustaining those who do not have jobs and by foregoing the contribution they would have made if employed. As only 64% of people who should be expected to be working are working and the figure has been in the mid 70-80% range during high employment, we are losing a couple trillion dollars of GDP annually.
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TruelyFedUp
Ethics is nothing else than reverence for life.
05:06 PM on 08/07/2011
Hey Bill, so here is a solution. Have Congress allocate the land and resources to people who need help to survive. Get those people creating self sustaining eco villages with the provided resources. Have them build modest but adequate housing, kitchens, cafeterias, laundries, let them learn organic farming so they can feed themselves. Get each community supplied with a library, clinic, school and business centers so they can take care of themselves while ceasing to be a burden on the citizens that DO have jobs.

If the new communities are created nation wide where ever needed and they are set up to be self sustaining there will be an end for the need for taxes to provide for them, and there will be an end to desperate and neglected people in this society. We do have the resources to do this and we can start NOW with the help of Congress.
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guveqzero
Inventor and Innovator
11:28 AM on 08/06/2011
Because economists use flawed metrics, they actually believe we are not in a recession. Anything below population growth job creation means we are going backward. How do they get away with calling it weak growth and not that we are in the red?
09:32 AM on 08/06/2011
I heard someone on the bus say he had heard that S&P had a very secret meeting and did this to ensure a major take over by the Republicans who will lay this awful move on the doorstep of the Democrates so that they would not be investigated.
11:55 AM on 08/06/2011
That is just dumb, they did it because we have more debt than can be paid back. It really is that simple.

If you make 2200 a month and spend over 3800 per month, for years, eventually you go broke from the debt payments.
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JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
06:01 PM on 08/08/2011
If we actually had more debt than we could pay back, you might have had a point. Since we don't (i.e., debt to GDP ratio has been higher in many advanced economies many times without issue, including this economy), not so much.
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billw8017
History looks like this
07:33 PM on 08/09/2011
'Fraid, I'm with JacksonJones. The US debt was very high at the end of WWII and began dropping immediately, falling finally to 38% of GDP under Carter. Since Reagan campaigned against Carter with one of his issues being the "high" debt, the increase of debt under Reagan and the two Bushs is funny if your sense of humor is warped enough. Reagan finally said, reducing the debt wasn't a 'promise,' just a 'goal.'

You are right, of course, that higher debt means higher interest payments on the debt. There is the issue of the debt being held by the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve being subject to US taxes. If the Fed doesn't sell debt and pull money from circulation, the amount of money in circulation must increase with the debt. This is the other big thing that happens, the value of money declines and the actual amount of the debt is worth less. This happens; it happens to a big degree. The short taxes are covered by an "inflation" tax that, as time goes on, compounds while wages rise.

Money works as a tool to balance consumption and production. We "pay" the debt everyday as the extra dollars suck away the production and forces us to bid higher for what remains. The complication is harshest on those with the least and we would be better off if we "priced" government services to cover the costs. Then, the dollar would be more stable and proper prices more clear.
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harrymudd
09:17 AM on 08/06/2011
Just to add to my previous remark. They also pushed interest rates to nothing so people have no altenatives for investment. You get 0.1 % interest in your savings and nothing from real estate. More reason to put your money in the stock market.
11:56 AM on 08/06/2011
Gold..... I am crushing the stock market with my Gold and Silver play. Call it conspiracy a bubble or whatever you want, but bottom line is I am wealthier this year than last, gracias Gold.
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harrymudd
09:15 AM on 08/06/2011
The whole stock market became a joke since the deregulation of the 90s. It is now a way for rich to pump it up; get others to put their money in; then push it down. Generate false panics then get people to sell low. Once they do then push it back up. It is a one way transfer of money from middle class to rich. The 401-K scam is a big part of it. We should just repeal 401-K and IRA; replace it with a government pension. Then the scam is out and we are back to normal. That is a pipe dream while a bought and paid for congress rules.
11:58 AM on 08/06/2011
Agreed that it is a joke, but actually it is regulations that have destroyed our country. There is one particular regulation that will be the end of our financial system, and that is legalizing Fractional Reserve Lending. Taking 10 times your deposit, printing the difference, and lending it out. A simple ponzi scheme that is the reason for inflation, and cause of all our problems.
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JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
06:02 PM on 08/08/2011
Erm.....yeah, except for that not being how it works, you might have had a point.
08:14 AM on 08/06/2011
1. There is no 'double dip' recession, we are not out of the first one. 2. The stock market (IMO) should not be above 10,000, we are in a recovery and anything above that is a manufactured illusion. 3. Government should not be setting policy or making decisions based on the whims of the market. So, with that said, it's just correcting itself (hehehe).
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vuduvampirninjawitch
Scary yes, but I got you covered
07:07 AM on 08/06/2011
Looks like they got us right where they want us. Its not a democrat problem. Its not a republican problem. Its a problem with we the people. We have let our politicians and banks and Wall Street big wigs have all our money. We handed it to them by fighting amongst ourselves. I consider myself a conservative and I vote that way. But, I didn't see Bush as much of a conservative. I could get behind some of the policies the Bill Clinton pushed, but not NAFTA. This was the beginning of our major decent into the financial abyss we are heading for. So far, obama has done nothing to correct any of the mistakes committed by the last two presidents. He has only continued their worst policies and created more problems for us. Its time to wake up from our prozac induced stupor and take our country back for the sake of ourselves and our children. They will be the one's to suffer most. Its time for accountability in our government. They work for us, we don't work for them anymore. If you are voting for someone because they are a D or an R, you are a fool. God help us all.
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harrymudd
09:19 AM on 08/06/2011
Yes Perot said it and they made fun of him. Made him look like he was out of his mind. He was right and we should have seen it.
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