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U.S. Credit Downgraded: S&P Reduces Rating To AA+ [UPDATE]

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First Posted: 08/05/11 06:09 PM ET Updated: 10/05/11 06:12 AM ET

From AP:

WASHINGTON — The United States has lost its sterling credit rating from Standard & Poor's.

The credit rating agency on Friday lowered the nation's AAA rating for the first time since granting it in 1917. The move came less than a week after a gridlocked Congress finally agreed to spending cuts that would reduce the debt by more than $2 trillion – a tumultuous process that contributed to convulsions in financial markets. The promised cuts were not enough to satisfy S&P.

The drop in the rating by one notch to AA-plus was telegraphed as a possibility back in April. The three main credit agencies, which also include Moody's Investor Service and Fitch, had warned during the budget fight that if Congress did not cut spending far enough, the country faced a downgrade. Moody's said it was keeping its AAA rating on the nation's debt, but that it might still lower it.

One of the biggest questions after the downgrade was what impact it would have on already nervous investors. While the downgrade was not a surprise, some selling is expected when stock trading resumes Monday morning. The Dow Jones industrial average fell 699 points this week, the biggest weekly point drop since October 2008.

"I think we will have a knee-jerk reaction on Monday," said Jack Ablin, chief investment officer at Harris Private Bank.

But any losses might be short-lived. The threat of a downgrade is likely already reflected in the plunge in stocks this week, said Harvey Neiman, a portfolio manager of the Neiman Large Cap Value Fund.

"The market's already been shaken out," Neiman said. "It knew it was coming."

One fear in the market has been that a downgrade would scare buyers away from U.S. debt. If that were to happen, the interest rate paid on U.S. bonds, notes and bills would have to rise to attract buyers. And that could lead to higher borrowing rates for consumers, since the rates on mortgages and other loans are pegged to the yield on Treasury securities.

However, even without an AAA rating from S&P, U.S. debt is seen as one of the safest investments in the world. And investors clearly weren't scared away this week. While stocks were plunging, investors were buying Treasurys and driving up their prices. The yield on the 10-year Treasury note, which falls when the price rises, fell to a low of 2.39 percent on Thursday from 2.75 percent Monday.

A study by JPMorgan Chase found that there has been a slight rise in rates when countries lost an AAA rating. In 1998, S&P lowered ratings for Belgium, Italy and Spain. A week later, their 10-year rates had barely moved.

The government fought the downgrade. Administration sources familiar with the discussions said the S&P analysis was fundamentally flawed. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss the matter publicly. S&P had sent the administration a draft document in the early afternoon Friday and the administration, after examining the numbers, challenged the analysis.

S&P said that in addition to the downgrade, it is issuing a negative outlook, meaning that there was a chance it will lower the rating further within the next two years. It said such a downgrade, to AA, would occur if the agency sees smaller reductions in spending than Congress and the administration have agreed to make, higher interest rates or new fiscal pressures during this period.

In its statement, S&P said that it had changed its view "of the difficulties of bridging the gulf between the political parties" over a credible deficit reduction plan.

S&P said it was now "pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics anytime soon."

One analyst suggested the downgrade might move Congress to take concrete steps to fix the nation's budget problems.

"It's a downgrade and it's bad, but if it spurs more conversation about bringing down spending and maybe more intelligent tax policy, it could be a good thing in the long run," said Frank Barbera, a portfolio manager of the Sierra Core Retirement Fund.

The Federal Reserve and other U.S. regulators said in a joint statement that S&P's action should not have any impact on how banks and other financial institutions assess the riskiness of Treasurys or other securities guaranteed by the U.S. government. The statement was issued to make sure banks did not feel that the downgrade would affect the amount of capital that regulators require the banks to hold against possible losses.

Before leaving for a weekend at Camp David, President Barack Obama met with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner in the Oval Office late Friday afternoon.

The downgrade is likely to have little to no impact on how the United States finances its borrowing, through the sale of Treasury bonds, bills and notes. This week's buying proves that.

"Investors have voted and are saying the U.S. is going to pay them," said Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Analytics. "U.S. Treasurys are still the gold standard." He noted that neither his parent organization, Moody's, nor Fitch, the other of the three major rating agencies, have downgraded U.S. debt.

The ratings agencies were sharply criticized after the financial crisis in 2008 for not warning investors about the risks of subprime mortgages. Those mortgages were packaged as securities and sold to investors who lost billions of dollars when the loans went bad.

Japan had its ratings cut a decade ago to AA, and it didn't have much lasting impact. The credit ratings of both Canada and Australia have also been downgraded over time, without much lasting damage.

"I don't think it's going to amount to a lot," said Peter Morici, a University of Maryland business economist.

Still, he said, "The United States deserves to have this happen," because of its clumsy handling of fiscal policy.

In reacting to the downgrade, Democrats and Republicans continued to blame each other and pledged to hold firm to their principles.

Republican presidential candidates criticized the White House. Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., called on Obama to fire Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and submit a plan to balance the budget and not just reduce future deficits. Republican candidate Mitt Romney, former governor of Massachusetts, said the credit downgrade was the "latest casualty" in Obama's failed economic leadership.

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said the American people will be closely watching the work of the 12-member joint committee that has been created to produce more than $1 trillion in additional savings over the next decade.

"The work of this committee will affect all Americans, and its deliberations should be open to the press, to the public and webcast," she said.

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid said the downgrade underscored the need for a "balanced approach to deficit reduction that combines spending cuts with revenue-raising measures" such as doing away with tax breaks for the wealthy and oil companies.

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AP reporters Tom Raum, David Espo and Julie Pace in Washington and Business Writers Chip Cutter and Pallavi Gogoi in New York contributed to this report.

UPDATE 8:19 p.m.: S&P downgrades U.S. credit rating to AA+ with negative outlook, Reuters reports.

UPDATE 7:10 p.m.: S&P is reconsidering its position on a potential U.S. credit downgrade after the Obama administration challenged the credit rating agency's economic model, CNN reports, citing a senior Obama Administration official, who said the analysis was off by "trillions" of dollars.

Politico's Ben White tweets the supposed errors are said to display "incompetence."

EARLIER: The U.S. government reportedly expects the rating of U.S. debt to be downgraded by credit rating agency Standard and Poor's, according to ABC News. U.S. debt currently holds a triple-A credit rating, the highest possible.

On Tuesday, President Barack Obama signed an agreement to raise the debt ceiling of the U.S., after a political dispute that lasted for months.

This is a developing story.

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09:16 AM on 08/10/2011
Everyone should read Assoc Prof Mann's op ed in today's NYT in which he claims S&P and the other ratings corporations are flexing their muscles to demonstrate their power to avoid regulations and oversight.
01:43 AM on 08/10/2011
How is Standard & Poor's taken seriously any more? It did a terrible job of rating CDOs, which suffered horrible losses during the last economic crisis. For example, it gave a $340.7 million CDO issued by Credit Suisse in 2000 an AAA rating. 6 years later, investors ended up losing around $125 million. What's even more egregious is S&P's growing reliance on structured finance ratings for revenue and its sketchy involvement in helping financial firms create these toxic debt packages. S&P still claims to know what makes good economic sense? Ha. What a joke.
04:45 AM on 08/11/2011
Just another example of why big government is deleterious to the country, after all, it is big government that gives S. & P. any clout "... money market funds and pensions, are required to hold only AAA-rated securities ...."[1].

"That government is best which governs least." - Henry David Thoreau [2]


1] http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/25/markets/bondcenter/treasuries/index.htm

2] http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/h/henrydavid124849.html
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07:49 PM on 08/09/2011
All I have to do is read a few posts...scads of flamers, making up facts then using this nonsense to skewer the president.
99% hot air
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12:02 PM on 08/09/2011
The US had stolen from itself through mortgage fraud and the loss of the middle class. 1/4 of all homes are under water due to the fraudulent investment practices of our banks. With no middle class, our country is lost.
The congress should demand banks service homeowners first. Unfortunately, they seem to be in the banks pockets and are not representing citizens at all.
What to do? Buy less, local and sustainable. Stop moving, reinvest in existing communities and carpool. Take control of our own country by regaining control of how we purchase.
Huge corporations are profit driven and every business is now corporate.
Stop buying corporate homes that destroy our land and aquifers. Rebuild, remodel and reinvest in existing infrastructures. Hire local builders and buy local products. Use regional design and kill off the McMansion culture that will destroy 10 million acres over the next ten years.
S&P has told the truth, we have destroyed our own country. Maybe we should have the courage to assume some responsibility for this.
08:49 PM on 08/08/2011
Every act by the dumbest president in history serves to destroy the once greatest nation on earth. Obama's anti business, pro tax economics is wreaking America's ability to compete and thrive. Obama is so dense he doesn't realize that jobs come from business, and that raising taxes hurts jobs and sends businesses out of the country. He is so dim he appears to not understand that even the threat of higher taxes and regulation s hurts jobs and growth. Obama must be rejoicing now, because he has created such an anti business, anti wealth agenda that he has finally destroyed the greatest nation on earth. If his goal was to undermine our economic system, he has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.
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sockman
11:15 PM on 08/08/2011
Obama cut taxes he didn't raise any. Get a clue.
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Republicanistan
Ignorance is Strength in Baggerstan
01:05 AM on 08/09/2011
Corporate profits are at their highest in History. Corporations are sitting on Trillions in Cash waiting for consumer demand for their products before investing.
11:13 AM on 08/09/2011
Every time our economically challenged president opens his mouth he advocates hiking taxes, and the health care fiasco is the largest tax increase in history. Business expands and hires in anticipation of making money, and Obama's tax hikes, proposed and real, are a huge reason for business to delay growing, and hiring.
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06:25 PM on 08/08/2011
To Redwhiteand blue: Is the Huffington Post your own personal blog? Do you think you have enough postings on here? And why do you refer to "we Democrats" You are not a Democrat.
To me this entire downgrade by Standard and Poors' only shows that S&P is running this country.
It is amazing that the downgrade by an inept organization like S&P could bring the entire government of the United States to its knees. S&P tanked the economy without much careful analysis of the situation. It has made world wide markets spin.
This is what happens when politicians work to destroy the government and capitulate to organizations that work continuously to privatize our economy.
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Republicanistan
Ignorance is Strength in Baggerstan
01:08 AM on 08/09/2011
you seem really confused as to what is going on.

S&P down rating is because the Government has been hijacked by the Tea Party and they are preventing simple fixes.

The Markets fell due to fears their Obstruction will lead to recession.

Then the Market stampeded to US Bonds, still the safest investment on the Planet, despite what S&P cooked up.
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janmanuel2
08:57 AM on 08/11/2011
I thought the Tea Party was just a bunch of "hicks" that no one thought much of (last year). It's ridiculous to say that the Tea Party has caused the economic woes. I guess the Statute of Limitations on blaming Bush has expired, so now it's the Tea Party. Please at least have the courage to admit that Obama is a bad leader. While I an a conservative, at least I don't have blinders on and am willing to criticize even my own party.
05:31 PM on 08/08/2011
Obama's press conference today was childish. I mean what was even the purpose of the press conference other than to come out of hiding and say its not his fault. I expected him to blame others, but to actually challenge S&P and state they are wrong and his delusional point that no matter what any credit rating agency says we will always have a AAA credit rating well he comes off as losing his mind or something.
06:51 PM on 08/08/2011
You saw only what you wanted to see.
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rhuffie
07:51 PM on 08/09/2011
Because you hate what he says before he says it.
05:26 PM on 08/08/2011
Barack Obama’s Presidency Historic Failure

The downgrading of America’s credit rating just days after the debt ceiling fight ended risk branding Barack Obama’s presidency as an historic failure. The S and P analysts made it clear that they were passing political judgment on the United States, not just making an economic assessment. While Republicans clearly share the blame for American political gridlock, Obama shoulders most of the burden as the Chief Executive of the United States of America.
06:26 PM on 08/08/2011
Spending Cuts Are The ONLY Way Out
According to the S&P, they were dissatisfied with how politicians in Washington handled the haggling over budget cuts. Additionally, S&P is not at all confident that we will be able to follow through on the proposed cuts. The head of sovereign ratings at S&P is a guy by the name of David Beers. He says that the S&P was worried about the "degree of uncertainty around the political policy process. The nature of the debate and the difficulty in framing a political consensus ... that was the key consideration." The key to maintaining our current rating, not slipping further, and hopefully bumping back up to our AAA rating will be spending cuts. Period. End of story. While the S&P says that tax increases would be nice, that is not the key for any future downgrade. The key will be spending cuts
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07:57 PM on 08/09/2011
You and the tea party are right - this method is fine as long as you don't mind destroying the social safty net to the point that it is useless.
In other words, if SS and Medicare have no importance to you, and you believe all the other programs that the gov runs to help citizens should be eliminated, then slashing gov spending with no revenue increases is just the ticket.
Fortunately, this puts you in the minority with all the other people whose wealth insulates them from worrying about such mundane things as getting sick and loosing everything to hospital bills after they retire.
07:37 AM on 08/09/2011
It is President Obama who went out of his way -- extra miles -- to work out a bipartisan solution to the debt ceiling issue.

For you to suggest that Obama shoulders the blame for the debit is naivete personified, a perfect example of the actions of those who don't understand the issues -- blame the president.

Let's hope you are saving for your own retirement and not expecting any entitlements from Medicare, Medicare D or Social Security, all of which were well on their way to causing serious financial shortages for the United States long before President Obama came to office.
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janmanuel2
09:00 AM on 08/11/2011
Obama never has his own solution. He lets others do his dirty work, so he doesn't have to accept blame if things go sour.
05:21 PM on 08/08/2011
Obama Blames Politics for budget turmoil. But this is hardly the first time that President Obama has blamed others for things that happen on his watch. What else does Obama blame others for?

1. Obama Blames Arab Springs And Tsunami In Japan For Lack Of Jobs, www.realclearpolitics.com 3 days ago

2. OBAMA BLAMES 'DEMOCRACY' FOR HIS FAILURES - nation.foxnews.com 4 days ago

3. Obama Blames ATMs for High Unemployment nation.foxnews.com Jun 14, 2011

4. Obama Blames Republicans, Mongers Fear sweetness-light.com Jul 26, 2011

5. Obama blames debt impasse on House Republicans; www.postonpolitics.com Jul 25, 2011

6. Obama Blames Broken Immigration Promises on GOP ... www.commentarymagazine.com Jul 25, 2011

7. Obama Blames 'Splintered' News Media for Lack of Compromise in Washington www.cnsnews.com July 22, 2011.

8. Obama Blames Insufficient Stimulus on Ben Nelson and Olympia Snowe ... firedoglake.com Oct 28, 2010

9. Obama Blames Oil Companies For Lack Of Drilling blogs.investors.com March 11, 2011

10. Obama blames speculators for oil price rises www.ft.com April 19 2011

11. President Obama Blames You for High Gas Prices blog.heritage.org Apr 7, 2011

12. Obama Blames "Network of Misinformation" for Rumors About His Birth Certificate www.cbsnews.com Aug 30, 2010

13. Obama blames growing demand in India, China for rising gas prices www.deccanherald.com Jul 30, 2011

Truly, Obama has become a master of the blame game.
06:53 PM on 08/08/2011
And neocons blame him for everything so is this a tit-for-tat?
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janmanuel2
09:02 AM on 08/11/2011
Like George Bush was and still is blamed for everything by the Libs? I think he even caused every disease known to mankind.
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Republicanistan
Ignorance is Strength in Baggerstan
01:10 AM on 08/09/2011
rofl, what a pile of terd.
05:09 PM on 08/08/2011
"Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act."

Straight from S&P. Face it, baggers, revenue increases are vital - there is no alternative.
08:40 PM on 08/08/2011
and have you considered the negative effects of tax increases? Businesses that will not expand, new industries that will not be created, and jobs that will not happen? How much does that add up to, or does it give you a headache to think about the repercussions of the tax increases you advocate?... and by the way, you are using a graphic sexual term for the people you disagree with, which is expected of liberals. They run out of arguments rather quickly and need to resort to pornographic terms to make them feel they are making a point.
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Republicanistan
Ignorance is Strength in Baggerstan
01:11 AM on 08/09/2011
Business are sitting on trillions in cash waiting for consumer demand.

Reagan raised taxes in a Recession, had no effect whatsoever other than helping to balance the books.
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rhuffie
07:59 PM on 08/09/2011
Before the bush tax cuts, these companies were fine.
As with most conservatives, no doubt you think there is no time ever to raise taxes, even if it is to save the programs that help us after we retire.
You must be sitting on a rather large pile of cash.
04:57 PM on 08/08/2011
When Obama speaks....Markets fall
Because we are in historic territory with the unprecedented credit downgrade we don’t know what the financial markets would have done had President Obama not spoken at all, or if he had said something different. But, we do know how the markets reacted before, during and after his brief remarks about our credit downgrade Monday afternoon and the DOW ended up down almost 200 points below where it was before he spoke.
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Republicanistan
Ignorance is Strength in Baggerstan
01:12 AM on 08/09/2011
The markets did not fall on the credit downgrade or they would have bought another country's bonds. Instead they bought ours.
04:49 PM on 08/08/2011
We Democrat's voted for change and we got it.
Average Annual Budget Deficit Bush -2.0% Obama -9.5%
Average Annual Increase in Fed. Debt ($ in Trillions) Bush $0.5 Obama $1.8
Average Unemployment Rate Bush 5.3% Obama 9.4%
Average Food Stamp Participants (in Millions) Bush 22.7 Obama 37.0
05:06 PM on 08/08/2011
You're not really a Democrat. "We Democrats" You are one of these 20 people who flunked seventh grade.
06:15 PM on 08/08/2011
He's right though...
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janmanuel2
09:04 AM on 08/11/2011
You're just mad cause RedWhiteBlue states facts. So you do the typical liberal thing since you don't have facts on your side. You make a personal attack.
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MovieGuy2010
You can't fight in here..this is the war room!
05:51 PM on 08/08/2011
You're a democrat. but above, you linked a lot of right wing sites, RCP, Heritage, Fox, Christian News Service...

Excuse me If I take your declaration of party affiliation with a bucket of salt....
03:07 PM on 08/08/2011
Below is from an article regarding the Debt Ceiling deal.

The deal struck by Washington policymakers to cut federal spending in order to raise the federal debt limit and thereby avoid a federal default will harm the U.S. economy at a time when job-creation ought to be their top priority, according to Lawrence Mishel, a top Washington economist.

“The debt we are undertaking now and scheduled to undertake over the next ten years is the product of past decisions (primarily unfunded wars, an unfunded prescription drug benefit and two rounds of tax cuts under President George W. Bush) and the recession-related revenue losses caused by the financial crisis generated by financial deregulation and weak oversight.”

There was no economic necessity to undertake spending cuts or deficit reduction plans at this point in the economic recovery, when high unemployment is expected to persist for several more years.

“Jobs should be the priority and jobs are the path to get our nation’s fiscal situation to a responsible place,” he says. “A long-term deficit reduction at this time should only be done if coupled with substantial deficit-related supports to the economy to rapidly lower unemployment this year and next.”

Moreover, a second round of spending cuts could kick in starting in 2013, which could cause further economic damage, Mishel says.

“If triggered, those cuts would kick in while unemployment is between 8 and 9 [percent] and lead to higher unemployment and lower family incomes,” he says.
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demimckingwoodtx
A strong woman can get it done.
02:23 PM on 08/08/2011
The Baggers have investors so sqittish with their political pandering that they can kiss campaigning goodbye, who wants that still in office? I wonder if we can impeach them all?
02:42 PM on 08/08/2011
Why would you impeach TEA partiers? Unless you vote for a living.
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dapits
Constitution is not just a piece of paper
11:33 PM on 08/08/2011
midget minded minion
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MovieGuy2010
You can't fight in here..this is the war room!
01:55 PM on 08/08/2011
We have some crazed bagger running around claiming that S&P said EXPLICITLY that ONLY Cut Cap and Balance would have prevented the down-grade.

I can find no proof that statement, he keeps posting Drudge as proof.

BUT, what I have seen is, S&P considered in the down grade their belief that the Bush tax cuts WILL NOT sunset?

Evidently, some Teabaggers in congress met with someone from S&P and must have convinced them they would burn the capital to the ground, and basically WRECK the economy again, to keep the Bush tax cuts for the rich?

http://www.businessinsider.com/sp-does-not-believe-the-bush-tax-cuts-will-get-lifted-in-2012-2011-8

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/175755-sap-values-spending-cuts-more-than-tax-revenue-in-credit-rating-analysis

Essentially S&P believes ONLY cuts can happen, because the Teaparty will hold to their pledge to King Grover the first.
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demimckingwoodtx
A strong woman can get it done.
02:24 PM on 08/08/2011
Well we all know that only another bagger will believe this, they are programmed to believe!
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teacher39years
Educational Reformers need to be "Reformed."
03:12 PM on 08/08/2011
And financed by Rupert Murdoch and the Koch Brothers. They're probably paid trolls.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
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teacher39years
Educational Reformers need to be "Reformed."
03:07 PM on 08/08/2011
It's interesting that King Grover and Cantor's Father both worked for Reagan back when America still had a Middle Class. Great links. Fanned and Faved.