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Dow Jones Suffers Worst Day Since 2008 Crisis As Economic Outlook Darkens And Downgrade Risks Loom

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First Posted: 08/08/11 08:36 PM ET Updated: 10/08/11 06:12 AM ET

NEW YORK -- Stocks suffered one of the worst sell-offs in history Monday, as investors adjusted to a new world in which the United States government doesn't have a perfect credit rating, and a fresh recession seems increasingly possible.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost more than 630 points, logging a drop of nearly 5.6 percent in its worst day since the depths of the financial crisis in late 2008. The Standard & Poor's 500 Index lost nearly 6.7 percent. The NASDAQ fell 6.9 percent.

The plunge eclipsed last Thursday's drop, which at the time was the worst day for the Dow since the 2008 crisis, and it comes after two weeks of nearly constant losses in stocks. Gloom pervades financial markets, despite the deal that Washington lawmakers struck last week to avoid a disastrous sovereign default, and despite reassurances from the nation's leaders that the economy's troubles will eventually be resolved.

A fundamental shift in attitudes is taking place, experts say, as financial players digest the possibility that the economy could begin to shrink.

"This negative possibility sitting there that we can articulate, and see, and almost taste at this stage, is a reason for stocks to go down," said John Richards, head of strategy at Royal Bank of Scotland in the Americas. "People are starting to factor in a double-dip recession."

The historic downgrade issued Friday by the rating agency Standard & Poor's amounts to the tip of an iceberg, as the company is in the process of reducing the ratings of credits associated with the federal government. These downgrades began Monday and are likely to continue, setting off new ripples of risk.

The mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which own or guarantee about half of all U.S. mortgages, saw their top grades docked by S&P on Monday. Federally backed debt issues of Tacoma, Washington and Miami, Florida, had their top grades lowered.

S&P docked the grades of bonds issued by Israel that are guaranteed by the U.S. government. It lowered the ratings of five U.S.-based insurers. It downgraded large institutions that facilitate investors' trades.

While the effects of these downgrades so far seem relatively muted -- some, like those for Fannie and Freddie, were expected -- the full risks might not yet have materialized, experts said.

One immediate effect was psychological.

"If there were people last week who were nervous about the economy and nervous about stocks, and needed some excuse to sell, this may well have provided the excuse," said Amar Bhide, a professor of international business at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.

A stream of economic data in recent weeks has reinforced a pessimistic outlook: Economic growth has slowed, the manufacturing sector has weakened, consumer spending has fallen and unemployment remains high. It's a potentially malevolent mix, economists say.

Investors shunned risk Monday, piling into Treasury securities despite the tarnished rating of long-term U.S. government debt. With a sovereign debt crisis building in Europe, and with grim American economic prospects, investors were eager to lend money to the government that by many measures is still the most reliable borrower in the world.

As demand for Treasury debt surged, interest rates on the 10-year note neared 2.3 percent Monday, a low that recalled early 2009, when the economy was suffering from a devastating financial crisis. Gold, which investors treat as a safe haven, climbed to fresh highs on Monday.

Although borrowing costs remain at historic lows, the downgrade could potentially affect funds that are required to hold highly-rated securities. And over time, it could push up yields on a range of assets that are tied to U.S. government rates.

In a recent quarterly filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Morgan Stanley underscored this uncertainty.

"Because of the unprecedented nature of negative credit rating actions with respect to U.S. government obligations, the ultimate impacts on global markets and our business, financial condition and liquidity are unpredictable and may not be immediately apparent," the firm said.

But the direct effects of the triple-A downgrade are only part of the picture. Risks from the related downgrades could play out over the coming months and years, experts said.

"Fannie and Freddie are involved in securitizing mortgages, so if their costs go up, then implicitly we're going to see mortgage costs go up. Auto loans are going to go up, student loans are going to go up," said Andrew Lo, a professor of finance at the MIT Sloan School of Business.

"American voters are going to realize that the political impasse has consequences that will hit them in the pocketbook," he added.

The downgrades touched major components of the financial system. For some of these credits, especially in the municipal debt arena, ratings carry potentially greater meaning than they do for the U.S. government, which investors know is a safe bet. Downgrades could cause municipal investments to lose value, said Matt Fabian, managing director of the Concord, Mass.-based Municipal Market Advisors.

"When you start tampering with ratings that actually imply default risk, the implication is that default risk has increased for those credits," Fabian said. "There could be price declines. There could be selling in response to price declines."

These risks contributed to a broader picture of economic pessimism Monday, as investors lost appetite for holding risky assets like stocks.

And the stock market slide added a threat of its own, as hundreds of billions of dollars of wealth vanished.

"We're starting to whack consumer wealth again, which will impact spending," said Richards of RBS.

"That may have an immediate negative impact on consumer confidence, and possibly consumer spending," he added, "which is the last thing we need in an otherwise weakened economic environment."

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NEW YORK -- Stocks suffered one of the worst sell-offs in history Monday, as investors adjusted to a new world in which the United States government doesn't have a perfect credit rating, and a fresh r...
NEW YORK -- Stocks suffered one of the worst sell-offs in history Monday, as investors adjusted to a new world in which the United States government doesn't have a perfect credit rating, and a fresh r...
 
 
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11:54 PM on 08/10/2011
It is not too late to buy gold or silver. Yes gold has surges this week and yes there is ALWAYS the possibility of swings either direction in the short term, but the trend with gold and silver has been the same and the forces driving that trend have only increased(government printing more money, turmoil with the currency, high unemployment, corrupt Washington)

http://youtu.be/47pwZMxczx8
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
10:12 PM on 08/09/2011
“It gets worse for us.

The 1891 document, the confidenti­al leaflet of the bankers, encouragin­g mortgages on properties­, in anticipati­on of the crisis that the bankers would launch a little later on to grab all of the mortgaged properties­. Besides, here is the text:
“We are authorizin­g our loan officers from the Western States to loan on properties­, monies repayable by September 1t, 1894. No fatal date is to exceed this date.
“On September 1st, 1894, we shall categorica­lly refuse all loan renewals.  On that day, we shall demand the repayment of our money, under penalty of foreclosur­e on collateral­s.
“The mortgaged properties will become ours. (Money will have become scarce beforehand­, and the repayments will have become generally impossible­.) We'll thus be able to acquire, at a price agreeable to us, two-thirds of the farms west of the Mississipp­i and thousands more east of this great river.
“We'll even be able to possess three quarters of the western farms as well as all the money in the country.  The farmers will then become land tenants only, just like in England.”
2. The above-ment­ioned 1892 document in which the Bankers expose their philosophy­.
3. The March 11, 1893 leaflet, since then called: “The Panic Circular”, addressed by the American Bankers' Associatio­n to all national banks throughout the United States:
“The interests of national banks require immediate financial legislatio­n by Congress (the United States Government­). Silver, silver certificat­es, and Treasury bonds (that is to say, all the Government­'s money) must be retired, and National Bank Notes made the only money.
“This will require the authorizat­ion of $500 million to $1 billion of new bonds as the basis of circulatio­n. You will at once retire one-third of your circulatio­n (your paper money) and call in one-half of your loans. Be careful to make a monetary stringency among your patrons, especially among influentia­l businessme­n.
“Advocate an extra session of Congress to repeal the purchasing clause of the Sherman Law, and act with other banks of your city in securing a large petition to Congress for its unconditio­nal repeal per accompanyi­ng form. Use personal influence with your Congressme­n, and particular­ly let your wishes be known to your senators.
“The future life of national banks, as fixed and safe investment­s, depends upon immediate action, as there is an increasing sentiment in favor of Government legal-tend­er notes and silver coinage.”

This is why we are in the mess we are in. it is not Obama, it is the banks.
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02:04 PM on 08/10/2011
Is there a URL for this document?

If so please forward!

Thanks
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Samiiam
09:07 PM on 08/09/2011
Samiiam 26 minutes ago (8:28 PM)
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Warren Buffet critizes S & P and then they threaten to lower his companies, Berkshire Hathaway, credit rating since he holds the largest private holding of U.S. Treasury notes. And this not political? They certainly did a grand job on their ratings of worthless mortage based stocks for their Wall Street cronies in their Bently and Ferraries.
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FreedToChoose
...lest my wife says I'm not.
06:42 PM on 08/09/2011
Yesterday's news. Tomorrow's another day.
04:23 PM on 08/09/2011
But, fear not. Only some of us are suffering:

"First Lady Michelle Obama Slipped out of Washington unnoticed Monday for a secret trip to visit her brother, Oregon State University men’s basketball coach Craig Robinson, at his home on Corvallis, Ore. Mrs. Obama reportedly jetted into the Eugene Airport, landing at about 11 am PDT. She and family members then headed out in a 11 vehicle motorcade for the ride to Corvallis."

Rome, burning, fiddling. . .
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
04:28 PM on 08/10/2011
So?
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MANOFCOMMONSENSE
The #1 Republican Team? Bush/Shady.WMD?$$
01:09 PM on 08/09/2011
Somebody help me here? Republicans support Business yes or no? Business's have been reporting big time profits the last 2 year and Republicans don't like Obama........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... fortune-500-biggest-companies-2011: Personal Finance News from ...
May 5, 2011 ... Fellow oil giant Chevron rounds out the top three with $196 billion ... All told , the Fortune 500 generated nearly $10.8 trillion in total revenues last year, up 10.5%. ... Sure, these corporate profits derived partly from productivity ... Wal-Mart rules the Fortune 500 for the second year in a row ...

finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/112672/fortune-500-.....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
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wsmith9686
11:41 AM on 08/09/2011
the situation was bad, but we have spent the last eight months talking ourselves into a situation that is going to be much worst than it needed to be.

too many folks have made up their minds to remain inflexible in a climate that requires flexibility.the damage has been done.
the average person can only hope that those in washington will find a self-cure for their ego-psychosis, and start putting the interest of the entire nation first.
the t-party folks and anyone else whose actions are designed to derail the current president, must realize that they are hurting the whole country.
we infected the world with this mortgage stuff, and presenting an unstable decission making body, we will infect the world again. it's kind of like the feeling a small child gets when his parents are having a violent argument..
t-partty folks and those who feel as mitch mcconnell stated he feels(will not do anything if it helps obama) must put that aside and present a body that can and will work together for the sake of the nation.
anything else is just a lot of toro-poop, and not worthy of a position of leadership.
any elected official not willing to work with the others, should go home. we can replace them with a good tree stump. i don't give a flea what party they claim.
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wlcd
11:58 AM on 08/09/2011
My solution- a time out for everyone. Go to corner and don't come out until you can play nice. If they (elected officials) want to behave as children they should be treated as children. My parents were old school-children should be seen and not heard. If I had to give them a report card it would say-Needs to learn to play with others.
12:59 PM on 08/09/2011
Crap. The democrats didn't pass a budget so we ended up here.
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Gaspar Ramsey
Licensed Curmudgeon, Hammer of Reason
11:40 AM on 08/09/2011
Anybody who has not read Paul Krugman's take on this should follow this link.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/7689218.html
Krugman correctly points out two salient points: 1) S&P is the same organization that backed the junk mortgage debacle of 2008 up with AAA ratings for the offenders, that gave Goldman and Sachs an A rating until the company's collapse. 2) The current instability in the market is caused by turmoil in Congress, specifically in the Tea Party's intransigence toward a workable solution.
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AbeMartin
The best person fer a job is never a candidate
10:18 AM on 08/09/2011
Well, the good news is that Bank of America fell nearly 22% yesterday, closing at $6.51 per share.  The bad news is that it didn't fall far enough to be de-listed by the New York Stock Exchange.
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flinthfp
1John 5:11-12 Eternal Life in flesh
09:53 AM on 08/09/2011
Don't worry the Tea Party members have said there would be no BAD EFFECTS with a down grade and not paying out debts. So what you are NOW seeing is an illusion !!!!!!!
VOTE TEA BAGGERS for a better and greater 3rd WORLD STATUS !!!!! and they are PROUD of it !!!!!
11:32 AM on 08/09/2011
the bill got passed and what happened.. it went down anyway. the tea party people felt it should have been larger cuts and thats what the market and the credit ratings were telling us. Look at the market since the bill passed. Also look what happened after the speech yesterday... 200 more points down.No one is buying the blame game.
Why shoot the messager. They brought up the debt problem that no one wanted to look at.
What if the president would have back in april would have got want he wanted with a clean bill raising the debt limit with no cuts? Think about it. You think the markets and rating agencies would have gave their approval? I think not.. It was going to happen no matter what.. Deal with it and quit putting this straw man "tea Party" man to get beat up for the lousy econimic policies of this president.
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Gaspar Ramsey
Licensed Curmudgeon, Hammer of Reason
11:44 AM on 08/09/2011
Anybody who does not see increased revenues as part of the solution is part of the problem. That is definitely the stance of the T-NUTs (is it yours?), and the "blame game" nobody is buying is the attempt to shift the blame to President Obama. This market collapse is clearly the result of the GOP and their most rabid splinter group.
01:01 PM on 08/09/2011
Grow up.
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TYRANNASAURUS
UGH!....people taste like crap!
09:42 AM on 08/09/2011
Dow Suffers Worst Day Since 2008 Crisis As Economic Outlook Darkens.........

THANKS tea partyers...... lets take the country back to biblical times where everything was real peachy...............and you'll be happy.
11:34 AM on 08/09/2011
nice delextion.. the rating agencies wanted 4.5 trillion and it wasn't half of that..
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09:39 AM on 08/09/2011
Why is it that when the Dow dropped in 2008 it was Bush's fault when he had a democratic House and Senate. And now when it happens its only the Houses fault? Do I get a hint of partisan politics?
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AbeMartin
The best person fer a job is never a candidate
10:23 AM on 08/09/2011
Uh, because Bush's hatchet man, Richard Cheney and ;Cheney's Chief of Staff I. Scooter Libby and Cheney's Chief Legal Counsel, larded the federal agencies with hundreds of members of the Federalist Society who, for eight years, rewrote and defanged every regulation that might have controlled the banking, securities and insurance industries.  Think of a house being eaten from the inside by termites.  That is part of .Bush's legacy along with the loss of the budget surplus, the Katrina response, the totally unjustifiable war in Iraq, and the institution of torture as part of our arsenal.
09:26 AM on 08/09/2011
The GOP sees this as a victory and tea boys are popping corks on celibration. What has the loss been so far about 4 trillion?
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voltaire11
The rich need abundant poverty.
10:16 AM on 08/09/2011
"When you look at this final agreement that we came to with the White House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.."--­John Boehner to CBS News.
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raffa657
09:20 AM on 08/09/2011
I'll just say that anyone in the Wall Street market, don't panic. (Unless your about to retire). Wall Street and the banks damn near owns our government. They'll do anything to get their money so you'll get yours too.
The problem is that our economic growth is based on paper pushing which enrich the firm & CEO salaries, (who don't want to pay taxes), instead of producing something tangible to enrich the country as a whole.
This is just a sign of how skewed our economy is.
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Raccoon1
These are the times that try men's souls........
09:37 AM on 08/09/2011
"They'll do anything to get their money so you'll get yours too."

Not necessarily. They'll get their money and ours, too. That's the way it works. Wall Street is a rigged game best played by insiders. Can't trust the CEO's, can't trust the brokers, can't trust the raters, and can't trust the regulators. I got out a year ago and went to CD's, gold, and bonds. I didn't lose a dime.
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raffa657
10:22 PM on 08/10/2011
Oh! Very good. One does have to have some intelligence to navigate the system.
I could take a page from your strategy. Nothing like a balanced portfolio.
I still beleive, If you're able to hang those Wall Street coat tails, especially with the awareness you have, there's a good chance of a decent return.
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skatscan
09:15 AM on 08/09/2011
Despite the two days of terrible drops in recent weeks, Neither was a bad as it was under Bush in 2008. Also, Note even with these two days, We've only got as low as the days right before the tea bagger "triumph" in November.