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Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal: Gay Military Members Have Tough Time Returning To Service

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By JULIE WATSON   08/13/11 05:33 PM ET   AP

SAN DIEGO -- Former Air Force officer Michael Almy's five-year battle to get back into the military after being discharged for being gay is still far from over despite the end of the policy that halted the decorated war veteran's 13-year career and left him curled up on his bathroom floor, crying.

The repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" coincides with the most competitive time in recent history to get into the military because of the sluggish economy, and the Defense Department says it has no plans to give priority to those discharged for being gay, even if they still meet the military's age limits, fitness standards and cutoffs for time out of service.

Many, like Almy, a 41-year-old former Air Force major, see the only way back to active-duty as being through the courts.

He and two other discharged officers – one from the Air Force officer and one from the Navy – are suing the Justice Department to demand they be reinstated, and they hope a federal appeals court will help their efforts by upholding a lower court ruling last year that declared the law unconstitutional.

Activists believe if the ruling stands it could open the legal doors for a class-action suit or settlement for many of the nearly 14,000 military members discharged under the nearly 18-year-old policy that prohibited the military from asking about the sexual orientation of service members but required discharge of those who acknowledged being gay or were discovered to be engaging in homosexual activity.

"The sad truth is repeal really does nothing for people thrown out of the military," Almy said. "There is no restitution, no reparations, no special personnel process to help those to get back in the military who were thrown out."

Almy said he never admitted to the military he was gay, but was discharged under the policy in 2006 after a service member snooped through his emails on a government-issued computer in Iraq when Almy's deployment there ended.

Almy testified for the Log Cabin Republicans at a trial last year. U.S. District Judge Virginia Phillips temporarily halted the policy after the trial, declaring the law violated the constitutional free speech and due process rights of gay military members.

Shortly before being honorably discharged, Almy was recognized as one of the top officers in the Air Force for his leadership skills in running an exemplary unit that helped maintain control over the vast majority of Iraq's air space during the war.

Even after his discharge, his wing commander formally recommended to the Air Force promotion board that he be promoted to lieutenant colonel, ahead of his peers, because of his outstanding performance, according to his testimony under oath.

Almy estimates his discharge cost him $1.5 million in retirement benefits, the amount he says he would have received if he had been allowed to complete his 20 years in the service.

Dan Woods, an attorney for the Log Cabin Republicans, said if the lower court ruling is upheld by the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals it could bolster the cases of thousands of former service members, like Almy, who "are still suffering the collateral consequences of being discharged under this unconstitutional law."

"A lot of people lost opportunities for promotion, a lot people might want to re-apply but can't because now they're too old," Woods said. "Those people ought to have the right to use our case to try to get their discharged status changed, or to try to get reinstated, or try to get back pay."

Woods said the Obama administration wants his case dismissed because it does not want "to deal with some 14,000 people making claims for back pay and reinstatement. That's really what it's about."

Justice Department officials declined to comment. DOJ attorneys have argued in their court filings that the lower court made its decision before the repeal process began and that repeal of a statute invalidates such constitutional challenges.

The 9th Circuit will hear arguments from both sides Sept. 1 at a hearing in Pasadena, Calif.

The law is scheduled to be abolished Sept. 20. But if the policy's fallout is still having an impact on people's lives then the court could still rule on the constitutionality of the case, said Erwin Chemerinsky, University of California, Irvine's law school dean.

For Almy, the victory of repealing the policy has been bittersweet as he celebrates for today's gay service members while struggling to get back the life he feels was stolen from him. "To get back on active duty is really next to impossible without the lawsuit," he said.

The Defense Department has said that the negative re-entry codes on the discharge paperwork of those kicked out under the policy will be waived, and that applicants with honorable discharges will be treated like other prior service applicants and accepted based on need. But that need is dwindling.

Traditionally, the military services bring in prior-service recruits for certain specialties, but even those positions are far fewer today, said Defense Department spokeswoman Eileen Lainez. The percentage of prior-service members among the active-duty recruits has dropped from 5 percent to 3 percent.

All military branches are at full capacity as people flock to the military for jobs or choose to stay in longer. With budget tightening and the expectation the Afghanistan war is winding down, the branches plan to trim their numbers.

The Army is looking to cut 22,000 starting in October after getting a temporary surge in troops in 2009, while the Marine Corps plans to slim down from 202,000 down to 186,000 in the next few years.

The Navy will cut 3,000 officers in the next few months because the promotion lines are so clogged "there is no place for anybody to go," Navy Adm. Gary Roughead, the chief of naval operations, told The Associated Press. The Air Force at the same time is going to start letting go several hundred of its 9,000 officers.

Jenny L. Kopfstein said she applied in March to be a Navy attorney but was turned down.

The former decorated Navy officer from San Diego, who has testified three times about her 2002 discharge, said she doesn't know if she was rejected because "don't ask, don't tell" is still in place or because there were no positions available for her.

She's going to try again in the fall but time is running short for the 36-year-old to meet the military's age limits. If she doesn't get in, Kopfstein said she might become a civilian lawyer who works with the military or another kind of government attorney.

Almy said he is not ready to let go of his dream.

"This is what I had dedicated all my life to doing," said Almy, who followed in the footsteps of his father and uncles, all former Air Force officers. "That's where my heart is. That's what my passion is – to be an officer, a leader in the Air Force. I miss the missions, the camaraderie, the esprit de corps."

"I never had a desire to do anything else when I was growing up, and I still don't to this day," he said.

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10:22 AM on 08/27/2011
Speaking of DADT - http://OutMilitary.com has been providing a supportive environment for friending, sharing and networking between Gay active military, vets and supporters since December, 2010.
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Hope Richardson
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01:06 AM on 08/16/2011
Well, I can't image WANTING to go back into the military, but I know for some people it isn't just their career, it's there life. Seriously, they shouldn't have been discharged in the first place, they should get priority.
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06:31 PM on 08/15/2011
People, why are we all FILLED with so much HATE? Gays and their supporters post hate filled comments at religious groups and anyone that believes that homosexuality is a sin while 'religious' folk seem to be filled with the same hate towards the gay community. You can believe Bible scripture that says homosexuality, fornication and adultery are sins without hating the sinner. Your religious beliefs are yours only and you cannot force them onto others. That being said, the gay community should not DEMAND that people disregard Biblical teachings regarding homosexuality. Those same Scriptures tell us that God is the ONLY judge.
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
08:29 PM on 08/15/2011
All oft hat is fine and well and I agree with all of it, but... the religious people do not stop there. They pass laws agaisnt those who are gay. And they preach hate to those who are gay, even gay teens, who can not easily defend themselves as adults. You also have homphobic parents kicking their gay under age teens out of the house, which I feel should be agasint the law. If they didnt do that, the maybe gays and us who support them would not worry about it.
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Hope Richardson
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01:10 AM on 08/16/2011
What you forget however, is that it doesn't matter what anyone believes, the law says there is a separation of church and state. Therefor, if there is practical reason to keep the LGBT community out of the military, than they cannot constitutionally keep them out. You could argue that sexual harassment may increase and soldier might get more... distracted, but honestly, that all went out the window when women were finally allowed to serve.
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12:26 PM on 08/16/2011
Hope, I have not forgotten about the separation of Chruch and state. I am a firm believer in it and that is why I did not support Prop 8 although I am a Christian that shares the Bibles view on homosexuality. My comment was regarding the hate spewed at anyone that is religious and believes that homosexuality is a sin and the movement to force people to disregard Biblical text. Civil rights have never been gained through hate and violence. I understand the frustration with religious zealots that preach hate want to force their religious beliefs on everyone. They are part of "false religion."
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Atwill
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06:02 PM on 08/15/2011
You know, funny thing is , a part of me wishes instead of lifting DADT, they kept it and made it for all. Straight and gay, so the straights could feel what it is like to hide the one they love in fear of being fired. no, I really do not want that, but sometimes i wonder who straights who are homophobic would feel if that pressure was on them.
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Shawn1978
type Conspiracy behind the subject for the truth
10:18 PM on 08/17/2011
who said what?what it is like to hide the one they love in fear of being fired.
that is a placebo ,no one had to hide the one the loved ,public affection in uniform has always been band (some do get caught in the moment) the loved one can still come to functions and still be considered like family ,technically it was never proved or disproved if homosexuality wasn't a chemical imbalance, if this is the case you still couldn't let homosexuals in the military.
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
09:31 AM on 08/18/2011
what? are you in the military? oboviously not. so you are saying as long as a gay man is out of uniform and off base he is safe? he can goto the local mall, and hold hnds and announce he is gay all he wants. even infornt of other military off duty personal and he'll not get kicked out. You have no clue. A chemial in balance? it has already been proven that a gay peson's brain develops more like the other sex while in the womb. sounds like you have some kind of a macho trip agiasnt gays.
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Mr Jake
03:58 PM on 08/15/2011
This article has it right. With the repeal of DADT, may discharged SMs like myself will be trying to get back into a downsizing military. Kind of an odd situation and very ironic.
pavementends42
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03:38 PM on 08/15/2011
As much as we profess a commitment to human rights around the globe, this will be a hard sell because of financial considerations. Sad but true. Welcome to America.
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Godweiser
The eyes have it.
01:53 PM on 08/15/2011
Those of you still having a strong reaction against DADT's repeal would be wise and do well to remember that if not for a homosexual's contributions to the war effort in WWII, Germany had much better chances of winning.

Most people live free in the West thanks to a homosexual, a man that did more than any other individual, through actual work, to make sure the Allies won.

Of course, he was, after the war, when they didn't need him anymore, persecuted.
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Rob Greer
Just a quiet little nerdy guy who stays in the hou
01:20 PM on 08/15/2011
CONTINUED FROM BELOW...

Enter the post No WMD, no Saddam, OBL KIA era... With the enlistment numbers of our Armed Forces seemingly dwindling, and young men and women rather collect unemployment instead of serving their country, I have ZERO problem with ANY American going through training and putting on the uniform and proudly serve their country. Pink, will NOT become part of daily wear. The military's UCMJ would treat all recruits the same, anyone who cannot conform to the strict regulations of what is required will simply be weeded out. I've seen it with straight soldiers and it'll happen to gay soldiers. The military will need to adjust, it always has, usually before the rest of the country.

As a Christian, we ALL sin, gay/straight, black/white, men/women, conservative/liberal, etc... At the end of the day, your salvation is through God, not your neighbor, nor anyone on the planet.
02:44 PM on 08/15/2011
"With the enlistment numbers of our Armed Forces seemingly dwindling, and young men and women rather collect unemployme­nt instead of serving their country,"

Your first statement is functionally incorrect sir. This is currently NO issue with recruitment to the armed services..

Active Duty

All of the active duty branches met or exceeded their recruiting goals for the month. Year-to-date, all of the active duty branches have met or exceeded their recruiting goals.

* Army – 7,063 accessions with a goal of 6,858; 103 percent
* Navy – 3,291 accessions with a goal of 3,291; 100 percent
* Marine Corps – 1,789 accessions with a goal of 1,780; 100 percent
* Air Force – 2,894 accessions with a goal of 2,894; 100 percent

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/2010recruiting/a/nov.htm
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Rob Greer
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03:14 PM on 08/15/2011
Unfortunately, my comment was so long that it had to be broken into two parts, and for some reason the first half wasn't posted.
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
10:02 AM on 08/15/2011
Any and all who were kicked out under DADT should be given their job back automatically and time served. And all of their benefits.
02:44 PM on 08/15/2011
Laws are NOT enforced retroactively... Sorry but it doesn't work that way...

FAIL..
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Hope Richardson
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01:13 AM on 08/16/2011
He isn't saying they do, he says they should. If you need help understanding simple vocabulary in the future, there are many websites I could recommend to you.
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WheelsOnFire
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01:21 AM on 08/16/2011
Sorry, but if a law was wrong, it can be undone -- and actions taken upon it can be reversed.
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06:56 PM on 08/17/2011
Considering that people like my husband who have served over 20 years..may not get their retirement when they retire ( but have to wait until SS time)..its going to be a hard sell. With all the benefits on the table to be cut for the military at this point you have to wonder why anyone that is sane would want to be treated so badly by the very country they have given everything too~!
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
07:10 PM on 08/17/2011
Well here you have me. i kind of agree that military people should not get their retirement money right away. After all if ya go in at 18, get out after 20 at 38 and get a check for the rest of your life? I work for the state and i have to wait till i am 55 at least. And i work in a prison, doing very hard dangerous work. I can see at 38, if ya did 20, ya get your free medical and other benefits, but not a check every month. not till you are say 55.
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KIVPossum
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09:09 AM on 08/15/2011
Anyone who was discharged should be reinstated at the same rank upon request.
10:12 AM on 08/15/2011
No sir... Laws are NOT retroactive...

If drugs were legalized today, should all service members kicked out for drug use be reinstated?

-OR- (conversely)

The speed limit on your local highway is 65 today but is scheduled to be changed to 55 tomorrow. The police had cameras out for the last month and since you were driving 65 last week you get a ticket because you knew the limit was due to be changed....

SAME THING...

LIBS - FAIL..
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AnotherTry
Tell me again why we can't be equal?
10:30 AM on 08/15/2011
The difference is those laws you refer to were not discriminatory and unconstitutional.
01:58 AM on 08/21/2011
When a judge decides that a law is unconstitu­tional, all prior government enforcemen­t of that law was done illegally. The people who were harmed by those actions must be made whole. They can sue for civil damages, including lost wages and benefits.

DADT has been declared unconstitutional by several different judges. The government repealed the law in an attempt to 'moot' those suits. Of course, the cases are not actually moot until and unless the victims are made whole, with reinstatement and back pay.
07:41 AM on 08/15/2011
The basis for their separation was illegal. They should each be entitled to back-pay from the time of their separations to the present, including normal promotions. And they should be rehired, or allowed to retire if they have enough years in service (including the separation period).

Good luck getting the courts to say so, though. That's probably at least six years of litigation, if the US consents to be sued.
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Atwill
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10:02 AM on 08/15/2011
I totally agree.
10:18 AM on 09/20/2011
..if the couts start making new laws for the military ..soon our military will be run by the court instead of the officers
10:14 AM on 08/15/2011
No sir, it was the law of the land at the time.. The military MAY discriminate, and the ADA does NOT apply to military service....

Laws are NOT retroactive...

If pot was legalized today, should all service members kicked out for its use be reinstated?

-OR-

The speed limit on your local highway is 70 today but is scheduled to be changed to 60 in one day. The police had cameras out for the last 3 weeks and since you were driving 70 last week you get a ticket after the change because you knew the limit was changing....

LIBS - FAIL..
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AnotherTry
Tell me again why we can't be equal?
10:31 AM on 08/15/2011
The military can NOT violate the constitution.
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
10:36 AM on 08/15/2011
If pot was legalized, you'd see more then half the military lighting up right now. I never saw so much pot thenwhen I was in.
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kornsawesome87
"I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any
12:07 AM on 08/15/2011
"You advocate for lying.

Thus you have no morals.

And you lack integrity, too.

Qualities I would expect to find in our military, but absent in your case.

Admiral Mike Mullen, the former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said it best earlier this year when he delivered this comment at a Congressional hearing on DADT:

"No matter how I look at the issue, I cannot escape being troubled by the fact that we have in place a policy which forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens. For me, personally, it comes down to integrity -- theirs as individuals and ours as an institution."

So, even an Admiral -- who clearly outranks you -- believes you lack integrity. "

You don't even know me. I do not lack integrity nor do I lack morals. My morals are very high. I have much integrity. I am one of the most honest people that you would ever come to meet if you did meet me. Anyone would tell you the same. Humble, I am not, but I will not lie to you. You want to know something? I think it's screwed up that they have to lie, but that's what the government obviously wanted them to do when DADT was implemented by Bill Clinton. They knew the rules when enlisting or becoming an officer. It's sad, but true. Personally, I think everyone should just keep their sexuality a secret.
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rockysparks
there's no law against being annoying.
08:29 AM on 08/15/2011
And many people who were kicked out never lied about who they are. They followed to the letter the rule of "Don't Tell." It was OTHER military personnel who broke the rule, "Don't Ask." Why were THEY not kicked out? This is one of the reasons that DADT was rightfully perceived as a stupid, cruel rule and unfairly implemented.
10:15 AM on 08/15/2011
Then think President Clinton, the one who put it into law..
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
09:27 AM on 08/15/2011
If everyone in the military kept their sexuality a secret, then there would be no married people allowed in. and no spouse would be getting benefits. That would be great if it went for both straight and gay.
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kornsawesome87
"I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any
11:54 PM on 08/14/2011
"The discrimina­tion against gays is identical to the discrimina­tion against blacks.

It is pure hatred and animus."

WheelsOnFire, good point! I know it's pure hatred.
10:16 AM on 08/15/2011
NO SIR...

Skin color is not a choice, behavior is... They knew the rules before they joined and were NEVER forced to join..
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Erin Scott
11:31 AM on 08/15/2011
Behavior is a choice, sexual orientation is NOT!.-just like skin color. Besides, the DADT policy did not punish behavior. It punished identity. These men and women weren't discharged for having gay sex in their barracks. They were discharged for being gay. BTW, saying homosexuality is a choice is ridiculous and defies simple common sense.
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
11:51 AM on 08/15/2011
Wrong. to BE gay is not a choice. To be out, yes, is a choice. so i guess you advocate for gays to marry someone of the other sex and be unhappy and make the other person be unhappy just to make you feel better. But remember, relegion is a choice , and yet for some reason is protected, something i disagree with.
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WheelsOnFire
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01:28 AM on 08/16/2011
Thank you, kornsawesome87!

We do agree on something -- that discrimination is based on pure hatred.

We can only imagine what the world would be like if hatred did not exist..
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kornsawesome87
"I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any
05:27 PM on 08/16/2011
Hey, I was being an a** the other night. I want to apologize to you.
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Ioan Lightoller
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11:27 PM on 08/14/2011
I feel horrible for these individuals because they were "outed" against their will by snoops who then reported them. I believe this could fall under the third, third part of DADT--DP "don't pursue". Besides being morally reprehensible, what was done to these individual was against the "don't pursue" portion of the regulation. Since when is it OK to do this to ruin people's lives and then get to walk away scott free?
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catt624
Willful ignorance should be painful
07:16 AM on 08/15/2011
Exactly! Great question, which deserves an answer!