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Jedis And Pastafarians: Real Religion Or Just A Joke?

First Posted: 08/13/11 09:33 AM ET Updated: 10/13/11 06:12 AM ET

Flying Spaghetti Monster

By Jack Jenkins
Religion News Service

(RNS) When congregants of West Side Church and the Christian Life Center in Bend, Ore., awoke in June to news that their churches had been vandalized, they expected to be frustrated.

What they didn't expect was to be confused.

In addition to the anti-Christian slogans scrawled on the walls of the two buildings, the words "Praise the FSM" were painted everywhere. Churchgoers were left scratching their heads.

"We were pretty much in the dark," said Jason Myhre, a staffer at West Side Church.

But after a Google search, they learned "FSM" stood for "Flying Spaghetti Monster," the noodly appendaged deity of a fictitious religion called "Pastafarianism" that's popular among some atheists and agnostics. Suddenly, it looked like atheists were on the attack.

"It was obviously sad," Myhre said. "It was more sadness that people would destroy the property to communicate their belief."

But mere hours after news of the vandalism broke, the story changed.

Bobby Henderson, the head of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, publicly condemned the vandals; Hemant Mehta, author of the Friendly Atheist blog, posted an online plea for donations to help fund repairs. In less than 24 hours, he had raised more than $3,000.

"We think (atheists) can win in a civil dialogue, so there is no reason to resort to violence or vandalism," Mehta said. "We said, OK, look, we've raised money for other causes before. Why don't we raise money to help clean up the graffiti? This is not what (our religion) is about."

But while the vandalism seemed to be an isolated incident, it and other developments have spurred a discussion among atheists about the usefulness of so-called "joke" or "invented" religions in the nonreligious movement.

Some are wondering: has the joke gone too far?

Pastafarianism was founded in 2005 when Henderson, then a physics student, sent a letter to a Kansas school board satirically critiquing the theory of intelligent design by citing "evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe."

The joke grew into something of a cultural phenomenon for atheists, especially online and on college campuses. Adherents brandish Pastafarian bumper stickers ("He Boiled For Your Sins"), clutch Flying Spaghetti Monster holy books (the "Loose Canon"), and even celebrate holidays such as "Ramendan" (a parody of Muslim Ramadan), all in the spirit of poking fun at religion.

For many atheists like Mehta, the satire is a positive part of the atheist experience and provides a safe haven for nonbelievers.

"If I go to a Christian church, some people have a habit of speaking 'Christianese.' Atheists don't have that," Mehta said. "But you can say 'I'm a Pastafarian,' and people will say, 'Oh, you're one of us.' It gives us a way to bond over our nonreligion."

But Carole Cusack, professor of religious studies at the University of Sydney and author of the book "Invented Religions," notes that members of the eclectic and diverse atheist communities view the sarcasm in different ways.

"The first is as fellow warriors in the ongoing campaign to make religion look ridiculous," she said. "The second is as a nuisance, muddying the waters by proposing parody religions instead of calling for the end of religion."

Others, however, think the whole silly discussion is, well, kind of silly.

Greg Epstein, the Humanist chaplain at Harvard University -- a group of mostly atheists and agnostics who insist ethical behavior doesn't require religion -- expressed concern over how much airtime the banter gets.

"The Flying Spaghetti Monster ... may be hysterically funny, but just cracking ramen jokes ... does not constitute a meaningful alternative to traditional religion," he said.

"If we can take the energy that goes into cracking jokes and put it into positive acts, we could really change the world for the better."

Epstein is not alone: Atheists in Australia are also divided over another parody religion called "Jediism," based on George Lucas' "Star Wars" film franchise.

Jediism gained attention after some 500,000 people listed "Jedi Knight" as a tongue-in-cheek religious affiliation on 2001 census forms in Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United Kingdom.

As Australia readied for its 2011 census, however, some atheists called for an end to the wisecracking. Arguing that many who listed their religion as "Jedi" were just atheists making a joke, the Atheist Foundation of Australia launched a campaign urging nonbelievers to "Mark 'No Religion' and take religion out of politics."

Their reasoning, they said, was practical since "Jedi" gets counted as "not defined" instead of "no religion," which only serves to undercount the nonreligious population.

"It was funny to write Jedi once, now it is a serious mistake to do so," the organization wrote on its website.

But despite the group's efforts and similar campaigns in the U.K., not everyone agreed. Henderson posted a message on the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster website urging Australians to embrace their Pastafarianism, calling it "a reasonable and legitimate choice."

Ultimately, even Epstein admits the allure of humor is a powerful one.

"When (religious) people try to dominate public discourse and dominate the political landscape," he said, "sometimes the humor you find in things like the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a very subtle and powerful way of pushing back."

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psnyder325
Yep, I'm a Socialist. Deal.
10:02 AM on 09/05/2011
The State has absolutely NO business deciding what is and is not a "real" religion. If one religion gets special privileges, then anything that claims itself as a religion should also receive those special privileges. At one time Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, etc., etc. were new religious movements. Just because they've been around for a while shouldn't give them an "edge" in taxation or recognition. America is supposed to be an "open spiritual economy." Put it all out there and let the "consumer" decide. Isn't the the doctrine of the capitalists?

Of course, the other option (the intelligent one) is to END all special privileges for all religions, including the dominant cultural mythology of Christianity. Tax 'em. Require that they obey almost all of the laws of the land. End their special exemptions and special place in society, and the 'em compete on the open marketplace of ideas without State subsidy. If they survive, fine. If not, they didn't have much going for 'em in the first place.
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bakdoc1980
Trying to take rational national...
12:01 AM on 08/20/2011
To the Christians -- some questions about Heaven; Where is it? Which of the Christin faiths gets in? Is there food? Water? Plumbing ? Do Infants lucky enough to be baptized stay infants? - or become adults ( a diapered eternity!?) If you have survived three spouses and all have " qualified", must you choose one? Can all of you be together ( Utah would be happy) ? Are their conflicts, debates, laughter, sadness? Can those in Heaven answer the prayers of the mortal? What if two prayers conflict -- opposing soldiers, each in good favor, praying for the demise of the other -- who wins? Face it, nobody addresses the details when referring to being in a better place -- I am curious what believers think -- thank you.
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NeoConsAreFinished
Fight the Ah mer I cun talibanned
06:53 PM on 08/30/2011
1. Where is it? Use your GPS
2. Who gets in? Depends on the Christian you ask.
3. Food, water, plumbing? Of course silly. It is Disneyland for the dead.
4. Infants? Obviously they spend eternity in Heavenly Daycare.
5. Divorced multiple times? It is paradise so you do not have to see them again.
6. Conflicts, debates, laughter, sadness? Yes but only about who God will play with that day.
7. Answered prayers? No
8. Refer back to #7.
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KenMoore
Cunning Linguist
11:35 AM on 09/01/2011
If there is food, there BETTER be plumbing, or it will be a holy mess.
07:31 AM on 08/18/2011
Someone needs to go back to journalism school. Or an elementary school English class.

"Greg Epstein, the Humanist chaplain at Harvard University -- a group of mostly atheists and agnostics who insist ethical behavior doesn't require religion -- expressed concern over how much airtime the banter gets."

So Greg Epstein is a group of mostly atheists and agnostics? What is he, a hive mind?
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DamonIcke
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11:42 AM on 08/17/2011
All glory to the Boognish! I declare jihad on anyone who gives my prophets, Gene and Dean, bad reviews.
12:36 AM on 08/17/2011
I am an Evangelical Christian, and I have a question. To all the atheists on the board, what I would like to ask is this:
Do you ever have doubts about the non-existence of a god, or do you spend each day at peace firm in the knowledge that when you die, there will be no afterlife, because everything we see is everything that exists?

This is not a trick question. If any of you answer "yes" to having doubts, I'm not going to perceive that as a hole in your armor, wedge that open and try to inject some "faith" in you.

And on the flip side, if I'm asking for honesty, I'll give some. Yes, there are days when my faith in God is weak, and I ask myself "Why would God allow X, Y, or Z to happen"
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caution50
atheist, geologist, humanist
01:12 AM on 08/17/2011
Thank you for the honest question. Atheism is a response to a specific claim that there is a god. I personally don't know any atheists that definitively claim without a doubt that "There is no god", as such a claim to knowledge requires proof. We can't prove that there is no god. However, we can go about disproving current arguments for god.

Having said that, I subscribe to the idea that I will never know with absolute certainty -- I simply have not seen an argument for god that is in any way convincing, and thus I have no supportable reason to believe such a creature exists. So, yes -- like you, there will always be a measure of doubt. I'm open to where the evidence leads me, however unpleasant, and I always allow for the possibility that I'm wrong. Such is the state of the faithless.

With respect to an afterlife, that notion is separate from a god. I love the idea of an afterlife, especially if it involves those things in this life that I value. However, like the concept of god, I have no reason to believe that we exist beyond the death of the body.
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lwolfmccall
I love God and Country
09:58 AM on 08/17/2011
Hey caution,I am going to jump in here ,might I say your honesty is a
breath of fresh air. My only statement is what you have already stated,
its all about faith.Faith is just that ,it is believing in things not seen.So
if one was able to touch or feel or even find physical evidence of God,
then faith would not be needed.The Bible states it this way" By Grace
are ye saved through faith" that's just a partial on the verse,but faith is
in the end everything.
10:56 PM on 08/17/2011
Thank You For Your Honesty And Your Kind Words. I really appreciate the feedback. I really want to learn much more about my fellow man.
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Andres64
Religion is a sectually transmitted disease.
12:29 PM on 08/17/2011
I am as certain about the non-existence of god as I am about the non-existence of Gremlins. I've never seen even one shred of evidence for the existence of an afterlife either.
10:59 PM on 08/17/2011
And thank you for your honest comment. I am very appreciative of your answer and the nice response overall I got to my question. Have a good weekend.
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paleoimage
I'm happy to live in a fact based world
11:40 PM on 08/16/2011
Simple acts of vandalism from youthful "former" parishioners who are way too easily swayed into thinking that the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Pastafarianism is something more than a lighthearted jab at formal religion. It was nice of the atheist bloggers to raise some money to repair the damage - they seem far more empathetic than their religious counterparts.
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04:14 PM on 08/16/2011
"Real religion or joke?" a question which needs asking much much more often than it is currently.
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Justin Seybert
...but why male models?
03:29 PM on 08/16/2011
Yoda was a closet Pastafarian.
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NeoConsAreFinished
Fight the Ah mer I cun talibanned
06:56 PM on 08/30/2011
Actually he was a member of the Yodelers..
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quorthon
Big government IS the answer!
11:03 AM on 08/16/2011
Funny how this article didn't mention the Church of the Sub-Genius. Bob is not pleased.
07:33 AM on 08/18/2011
Ceiling Cat isn't happy either. I imagine someone will soon find a hairball in shoes.
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Tuskin Roberts
09:35 AM on 08/16/2011
The idea that a giant flying spaghetti monster created the universe is no more "silly" than the idea that a two-thousand year old Jewish carpenter is the emissary of the one true God and that he will return with feet of flaming bronze. It's no more of a joke than the idea that an invisible, intangible, omnipotent ultra-being is watching our every move and eavesdropping on our every thought. It is no more preposterous than what Islam demands of women, and it is certainly more useful than Scientology. Except that the Flying Spaghetti monster is way funnier, and actually makes an intellectual and logical argument.
10:21 AM on 08/16/2011
But it doesn't promote intellectual and logical discourse. In fact, such nonsensical claims are only effective against the Abrahamic faiths. As a result, real dialogue between belief systems (atheism included) is limited and often halted completely.

Personally, I have no interest in or agreement with Christianity. But, unfortunately, as a result of the antics and general lack of knowledge on the part of atheists I don't consider them any better. When observing the worldviews and noting the language, belief systems, assumptions, and tactics the two (christianity and atheism) look pretty much identical to me.
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Tuskin Roberts
12:14 PM on 08/16/2011
I would argue that:

1. It makes a logical argument against teaching intelligent design in public classrooms, whereas there is not a logical argument for teaching it.

2. Real dialogue between theists and atheists, in my opinion, is stunted because of the undue respect that is afforded to religions--it is a faux pas to criticize or question any belief a religious person holds because, ultimately, their God is infallible and that infallibility extends to their belief.

I don't think atheists need to to have discourse with theists--I think it's a dead end. What are we all hoping to achieve? As an atheist, I feel that my energy should be put toward freeing people from religion that is forced on them, for example in a public school.
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AZLibDem
If you're speeding, you're an "illegal"
12:46 PM on 08/16/2011
"But it doesn't promote intellectu­al and logical discourse."

Of course it does, it demonstrates the invalidity of the most common argument faced by atheists: "you can't prove there is no god!"
01:31 AM on 08/16/2011
One more thing. If you wish to halt climate change, you must dress like a pirate.

R'Amen.
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Ted Bouklos
U can have ur own opinions but not ur own facts
12:52 AM on 08/16/2011
why do they pick on us poor pastafarians??? why are we so victimized?? waaaa
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Loki Laufeyson
If everybody had empathy, there would be no crime.
07:34 PM on 08/16/2011
Because we have the meatballs to stand up to them?
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Ted Bouklos
U can have ur own opinions but not ur own facts
07:39 PM on 08/16/2011
lol good one... of course i was satirizing christian's self-perceived victimization
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Ted Bouklos
U can have ur own opinions but not ur own facts
12:49 AM on 08/16/2011
of course they are jokes...all religions are a joke.
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iLdoRight
Encouraging The Rightest Rightness
07:37 PM on 08/15/2011
Please, NO JOKING ! Atheism is NOT FUNNY ! If it was funy, I would like it.
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Rikyu
07:07 PM on 08/15/2011
Here is the ultimate irony. Before "religion" no one believed in god(s). But at some point in our dark past, an atheist (for there were no theists) created God. We know this because Michelangelo painted the moment of creation on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Ramen.
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Ted Bouklos
U can have ur own opinions but not ur own facts
12:51 AM on 08/16/2011
ever see "The Invention Of Lying"?
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Tuskin Roberts
02:09 PM on 08/16/2011
"So the big man in the sky saved me when my boat capsized?"
"Yes."
"Did he also capsize the boat?"
"...yes."

My favorite part of that movie.
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quorthon
Big government IS the answer!
11:06 AM on 08/16/2011
Well, not exactly. Digs of prehistoric gravesites suggest animism and belief in afterlife. Religion, in some form, has always been with us--but monotheism itself is comparatively recent.