Groups Ask Cuomo To Extend Fracking Review

The New York Times:

Environmental groups and some legislators are asking Gov. Andrew Cuomo for a longer public review of a New York State plan to permit a controversial method of natural gas extraction that combines hydraulic fracturing with horizontal drilling.

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Comments

[pita143]

07:51 PM on 08/22/2011

I hope they extend the review until such time as the AG submits his report on his investigation into the drilling companies and their lies told to the land owners. The Drilling companies made wild exaggerated claims about how much money the drilling would bring in and how much the Land Owners would see from allowing the Drilling on their property. The AG Schneiderman is using Subpoenas to get drilling companies formulas on Gas Well profitability and if they broke the law in misleading the Land Owner into how much they would receive for compensation.

[economic status]

07:52 AM on 08/20/2011

Dear Gov. Cuomo!

To allow immediately the extraction of natural gas at all places outside watersheds is the only way to save the future.
The economy hits rock bottom, the cure is in your hands but you gave the power to a group of environmental extremists. They want a perfect regulation but that is impossible. Not one kind of industry is without risks, not now and not in future. They are talking about environmental impacts caused by natural gas drilling. But they cannot exhibit any evidence, not one. They are just playing for time to find a basement for the own unfounded pronouncements and theses. They are talking about methane in aqueducts. Nobody ask first the person who has drilled the water well on the farm whether it has hit any methane shale. Just for example.
A lot of studies based on canards. That is a modern version of the inquisition.
They do not see more as the own tunnel straight ahead.
They will wait until the economic disaster is irreversible.
Every child knows that you cannot expect to get juice from a dry pressed fruit.
Certainly you can try other methods, from the other side or with more pressure, but it won’t work.
You have to find another fruit to get juice.
Your fruit is natural gas.
So just take back the responsibility from the DEC and take action, before it is too late.
Every day without natural gas drilling will be a month to repair the economic aftermath.

[realityCheckInTheMail]

01:08 PM on 08/18/2011

I think if Cuomo delays much longer, the landowners will band together (backed by the oil and gas companies) and sue the state.

There is quite a bit of legal precedent supporting mineral rights. You can't simply "ban" a drilling practice because it "might be" dangerous. The burden of proof is on the legal entity supporting the ban, not the landowners or the drillers.

MIT has given its stamp of approval to shale gas drilling. There is no way this ban will hold up in a court of law.

[OkieMon]

10:48 AM on 08/17/2011

duke university study providing scientific evidence of fracking contaminating drinking water in the northern tier of PA is a game changer as it indicates the marcellus shale in northern PA and southern tier of NY is too shallow to horizontally frack...get out exxon....cheveron....chesapeake....etc...stop the insanity....these companies have already said they won't drill in the NYC watershed...what about every body elses water in the area? not enough potential law suits to stop you ???

[personal beliefs]

10:51 AM on 08/17/2011

they have not provided proof. Show me where they have.

[OkieMon]

10:55 AM on 08/17/2011

science is based on quantitative measures and to a 95% certainty as demonstrated in this study is well above any reasonable objection...by the way where is the "proof" that the gas companies are not contaminating ?????

[observingstupiditydaily]

09:34 AM on 08/18/2011

What I find to be unfathomable in your post is the fact that you ignore the possibility of a contamination. We're talking about drinking water here, irreplaceable and in short quantity if the majority is tainted.
Why would you defend a practice that has the potential to sicken and possibly kill human beings, wildlife and domestic livestock? Spraying the fluid that comes out of the wells, untreated on roads to keep dust down, this is what you cheer on in your posts? PA's practice of dumping partially treated frack fluid into river and streams that are the only source of drinking water for it's residents?
What do you get out of it, a royalty check, a short term job and that's worth more that halting the fracking and reavaluating the clear and present danger?

[pita143]

04:41 PM on 08/17/2011

http://coloradoindependent.com/38146/wyo-fracking-contamination-case-eerily-similar-to-colorados-divide-creek-accident

The Colorado Independent had a story that the EPA PROVED a certain degreaser used by the Fracking company was found in multiple wells in the area. Now the funny thing is that many people on this story, such as "personal beliefs" will stick their head in the sand and keep saying "I don't see anything, you didn't show me anything," and they will keep saying that. I have had over 20 insulting replies because people like them flatly refuse to accept the truth.

Hydrofracking damages the water supply, PERIOD.

[personal beliefs]

12:20 PM on 08/18/2011

I've asked you numerous times to provide proof where the water supplies have been damaged by fraccing. You have yet to even come close.

[pita143]

10:31 AM on 08/17/2011

In 1987 the EPA had PROOF that hydrofracking damages the water supply and they suppressed that report.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/us/drilling-down-documents-7.html#document/p1/a27935

The fact is certain people on this site and others will totally ignore all the evidence that this process damages the water table. They stick their fingers in their ears and close their eyes to all the proof that shows this process can totally destroy our water supplies. All for a few extra bucks.

The Cree Indians had a comment on this idea:

Only after the last tree has been cut down,
Only after the last fish has been caught,
Only after the last river has been poisoned,
ONLY then will you realize that money can not be eaten.

Hydrofracking in its present process causes PROVEN damage to our water supply. We have multiple alternatives to heat our homes, we do not have alternatives to fresh clean water.

[personal beliefs]

10:52 AM on 08/17/2011

did you even read it? This is the headline to the "report"

"Compelling Evidence That Hydro Fracking Will Probably Contaminate YOUR well water!"

You need to look up the definition of proof.

[Imago]

07:44 PM on 09/19/2011

Read the report.

[personal beliefs]

10:55 AM on 08/17/2011

some more quotes from you links...You are getting hysterical.

http://www.propublica.org/article/epa-chemicals-found-in-wyo.-drinking-water-might-be-from-fracking-825

"Scientists in Wyoming will continue testing this fall to determine the level of chemicals in the water and exactly where they came from. If they find that the contamination did result from drilling, the placid plains arching up to the Wind River Range would become the first site where fracturing fluids have been scientifically linked to groundwater contamination."

You call this proof????

[pita143]

10:33 PM on 08/16/2011

People need to remember that we have multiple alternatives to heat our homes, we have NO alternatives to fresh clean drinking water. The Natural Gas is not going to go anywhere. There is no reason why we have to rush to get it RIGHT NOW at the expense of our environment. We can insist that the Drilling companies develop a system to extract the Gas that does not destroy our Water Table and our environment.

[personal beliefs]

09:52 AM on 08/17/2011

People need to remember that fracing hasn't contaminated water. ANYWHERE!

[pita143]

10:15 AM on 08/17/2011

you are a lying P OS

http://www.nicholas.duke.edu/thegreengrok/dukefrackingstudy

You can post all the lies you want. There is study after study that PROVES that even the Toxic Soup used in fracking has seeped into the water systems.

[pita143]

10:21 AM on 08/17/2011

http://www.albertasurfacerights.com/articles/?id=1250

http://www.propublica.org/article/epa-chemicals-found-in-wyo.-drinking-water-might-be-from-fracking-825

Isn't it funny how an EPA study proves you wrong. Fracking HAS contaminated water supplies.

You just keep posting your lies, because there are alot more people like me willing to fight your stupid lies.

[personal beliefs]

10:07 AM on 08/17/2011

you need to post some more links proving your accusations correct. You have yet to do so. And if you want to call me a liar, show me where in your links it is proven. The simple fact is, water has not been contaminated by fracing. You should do some more research on how drilling water wells is the main cause of methane to migrate.

[pita143]

10:16 AM on 08/17/2011

you are a liar and YOU know it.

[OkieMon]

10:20 PM on 08/16/2011

shate gas produced by horizontal drilling is destined to be exported to china...japan...india...is this really worth destroying our drinking water and environment ????

[Malcolm Hensley]

01:56 AM on 08/17/2011

I don't think so because more nations will start using horizontal drilling and fracking. We have to spend the dollars to liquify the gas and remember the middle east burns more natural gas in the pursuit of oil than we use!

I believe the future of energy is a combination of wind, solar, natural gas, to handle the peak load, and nuclear for a minimum CO2 footprint.

[pita143]

08:08 AM on 08/17/2011

I agree with the idea of a combination of energy. But until the Energy Companies stop blocking alternative energy usage we will never achieve that goal. And until such time as the Drilling companies can drill without leaving over 15% of the toxic laden water from fracking in the ground than we should not allow it.

The gas is not going to go anywhere, we need to produce a method that does not take millions of gallons of fresh water, mix it with toxic chemicals and inject in into the ground to only extract some 85% of those toxins back out with the Gas.

[HazelPethigFan]

09:10 PM on 08/16/2011

I am gonna show them eeevillll frackers. I'll protest fracking by never using natural gas again...ever.

....hey wait a minute....what happened to my hot water?

[OkieMon]

10:21 PM on 08/16/2011

mine comes from an electric water heater with power supplied by a wind farm....and if it wasn't all you fossil fuel fas*cists blocking alternative energies this would be the norm across our great country....

[pita143]

10:30 PM on 08/16/2011

exactly. Just look at the other headlines in this section and see how many Oil spills we have had. Now if we can just get more towns and villages to stop creating Zoning Laws that block alternative energy it would be fine.

If Reagan had not killed Carters Alternative Energy tax credits we would see Solar Panels and Wind Generators build in the USA and NOT in China or Vietnam.

[realityCheckInTheMail]

01:18 AM on 08/17/2011

And when the winds not blowing --- its a natural gas generator that the utility turns to in order to generate your electricity.

And the people that are shivering through the New England winter - how do you propose they heat their homes? Electric heaters are incredibly expensive to run for any sort of serious home heating.

[ErnestineBass]

01:34 AM on 08/17/2011

Breathe on it, Hazel. That oughta heat it up nicely.

[john649]

03:47 AM on 08/21/2011

funny! hazel will never get it though.

[Malcolm Hensley]

08:11 PM on 08/16/2011

I don't know - if it takes you more than 2 months to read the report and make comments on it - would your comments be worth while?

Now on the other hand if your intent is just to delay drilling?

[Genders]

12:27 AM on 08/17/2011

As if delay forever was not the same as stopping?

[Malcolm Hensley]

02:02 AM on 08/17/2011

at lease you're honest.

[PoloniumMan]

08:08 PM on 08/16/2011

Gov. Cuomo has quite a dilemma on his hands. His supporters from the oil and gas industry want him to shut down Indian Point, but his supporters from the environmental lobby want him to delay fracking.

[Genders]

12:28 AM on 08/17/2011

gee, I guess that leaves rooftop solar, offshore wind and waste bio fuels. Plenty to supply 24/7 forever energy and fuels, cheaper than nukes clean coal or oil wars.

[PoloniumMan]

07:08 AM on 08/17/2011

Sounds good. How much do we need to build to replace 2,200 MWe, or roughly 30% of NYC electric requirements? What volume of waste would need to be processing through these bio char facilities?

[realityCheckInTheMail]

12:59 PM on 08/18/2011

Gov Cuomo lives in the world of reality. He knows he can't stuff both nuclear and gas. There is no where near enough solar and wind in NY state to cover the loss of both of those resources.

My guess is he won't stuff either. He's got a nice compromise going with shale gas, so he'll let that go ahead outside the NYC watershed. (A brilliant compromise, that).

And he'll figure out some clever trick to appear "anti-nuclear" while not actually quieting the turbines at Indian Point. Perhaps crafting some sort of 10 year plan for shutting it down.

[realityCheckInTheMail]

06:30 PM on 08/16/2011

If Rick Perry gets the Republican nomination, he's going to take that silly Gasland movie, wrap it around Barack Obama's neck, and sink him to the bottom of the sea.

The 0.000001% of the population that has methane problems in their groundwate­r well might vote for Obama (maybe). Everybody else is going to look at those "no to everything­"/"I don't trust what MIT says about fracking" tree huggers, and give the guy that's calling their bullsh*t some serious considerat­ion.

[OkieMon]

10:23 PM on 08/16/2011

81% of drinking water wells near fracking in PA have natural gas contamination from shale...this is from the peer reviewed duke university study....

[realityCheckInTheMail]

01:15 AM on 08/17/2011

You are aware that study has almost no scientific meaning, as the authors failed to perform a baseline. I.e. they failed to determine how much well containimation was occuring prior to drilling.

And that the authors themselves have been quoted that their article should be no means be used as a basis to ban fracking.

And that the auhtors have also been quoted as saying that they feel that the risks from shale gas can be managed.

Which is in complete agreement with the MIT panel study.

"A 2011 study by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology concluded that "The environmental impacts of shale development are challenging but manageable.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale_gas

"Challenging but manageable". Sounds like something Rick Perry would say. Not something Jason Fox would say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale_gas

[Malcolm Hensley]

02:10 AM on 08/17/2011

You are party right. 81% of the wells in PA were contaminated whether they were near a fracking site or not! Seems they are over 180,000 abandon oil wells in PA drilled before some one had the bright idea to start recording their locations!

Guess that's why I found the movie Gasland such a gas - pun intended. I saw the flaming faucet trick in the 60's at my aunt's house. Seems there was an abandon oil well not 20 yards from her water well.

Want links? Reply back. It's late.

[pita143]

10:31 PM on 08/16/2011

your post is an out and out lie.

http://www.heatingoil.com/blog/nyc-study-warns-of-dangers-of-hydrofracking1231/

[realityCheckInTheMail]

01:11 AM on 08/17/2011

Citing a 2.5 year old study. Nice!

Try reading something a bit more recent, perhaps?

"A 2011 study by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology concluded that "The environmental impacts of shale development are challenging but manageable." "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale_gas

[Malcolm Hensley]

02:15 AM on 08/17/2011

Oh that's funny!

Really - I appreciate your link!

This has got to be sarcasm right???

I mean using a heating oil web link to make your case.

No conflict of interest here!!!!

HaHaHaHa!

Thanks, I needed that!