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Kevin Mitnick, Former Fugitive Hacker, Laments How The Game Has Changed


First Posted: 08/16/2011 2:28 pm EDT Updated: 01/11/2013 12:28 pm EST

By 1992, federal agents were closing in on Kevin Mitnick, the FBI's most-wanted hacker. But he already knew this; he was watching them.

Mitnick broke into the local cell phone network, allowing him to detect when agents were near his apartment. When they were close, he removed evidence but left behind a box of donuts in the refrigerator, labeling them "FBI donuts" to annoy his pursuers.

Such games of cat and mouse are recounted in Mitnick's new book, "Ghost in the Wires," which details his life as a hacker and fugitive, breaking into computer networks, creating false identities and running from authorities.

Today, Mitnick, 47, runs his own computer security consulting firm and laments how hacking has changed since his youth. He says it has shifted from what he considered to be a hobby for computer enthusiasts to a global criminal enterprise.

"My drivers for hacking were intellectual curiosity, pursuit of knowledge and seduction of adventure," he said Monday at a book signing in New York City. "It was never about stealing money or writing malware."

Mitnick said he initially became a computer hacker because he loved magic. As a 10-year-old boy, he rode his bike to the magic store to learn how tricks were performed. In high school, he met a friend who introduced him to "phone phreaking," or playing pranks by hacking the circuits and switches of telephone companies. This drove him to greater conquests as a young adult, like stealing source code from IT companies, which drew heat from authorities.

In 1995, after three years on the run, Mitnick was arrested in Raleigh, N.C. He confessed to breaking into corporate computer networks and stealing software. After serving five years in prison, he was released in January 2000, but his plea agreement restricted him from using the Internet for three years and profiting from his story for seven years.

Mitnick said he still feels the same high from hacking into computer systems, even though companies now pay him to find and fix their security holes.

"I did get a huge endorphin rush when I was able to crack a system because it was like a video game," he said. "I get the same endorphin rush today when I get into a client's system. I really feel good about it. So I get paid for what I did illegally years ago."



Convicted computer hacker Kevin Mitnick is seen in this Jan. 21, 2000 file photo after being released from the Federal Correction Institute in Lompoc, Calif.


His book signing Monday night at The Half King Bar and Restaurant in New York was like a miniature version of the DefCon hacker conference in Las Vegas, where hackers demonstrate security flaws in various technologies. In addition to signing books, Mitnick showed how to steal credentials from security access cards and quickly search databases to find Social Security numbers. He also gave out his business card, which doubles as a lock-picking set.

Afterward, Mitnick sat down with The Huffington Post and shared his take on today's hacker world, the biggest cyber-security threats and how consumers can protect themselves from being hacked.

How has hacking changed?

Now it's a trend. Hackers are breaking the systems for profit. Before, it was about intellectual curiosity and pursuit of knowledge and thrill, and now hacking is big business. You have the Russian Business Network that leverages hacking skills to commit crime, credit card theft, bank fraud, identity fraud and securities fraud. It's actually a smarter crime because imagine if you rob a bank, or you're dealing drugs. If you get caught you're going to spend a lot of time in custody. But with hacking, it's much easier to commit the crime and the risk of punishment is slim to none.

Is being a hacker today easier or harder?

It's harder in the sense that companies are more secure than they were in the '80s and '90s, but it's easier in the sense that now you have a community of security professionals that share exploit code, develop open source frameworks and have conferences on new security vulnerabilities. So there's a lot of information that is now available that could be used to compromise systems and networks that did not exist when I was a hacker.

Do you think there is more hacking occurring, or is it just being reported more often?

There's more because now hacking has become a mainstream type thing. Before it was computer geeks. The numbers were significantly less. For example, the first DefCon conference [in 1993] was a few hundred people. When I went to DefCon this year there were over 16,000 people.

What do you think of the hacker groups Anonymous and LulzSec?

I think LulzSec started off doing attacks because they perceived a wrong and it was more like sending a message. And then they got so much media attention and so many followers on Twitter that I think they continued because they loved the media attention. Then you had spinoffs because there are young kids who see all the media attention that these guys are creating and want to jump on the bandwagon.

What are the biggest threats to cyber-security today?

I think malware is a significant threat because the mitigation, like antivirus software, hasn't evolved to a point to really mitigate the risk to a reasonable degree. I think insecure web applications and social engineering [are significant threats]. All the major attacks on Lockheed Martin, RSA and Google have used spear phishing.

What should consumers do to protect themselves from being hacked?

If you're on an open wireless network, use VPN [virtual private network]. You could subscribe to a VPN service for $15 a month. Also, if you use a free email service, I highly recommend Google because they have two-step authentication. Make sure your desktop software is updated because that's where people are being attacked today -- Java, Flash, Adobe Acrobat, Windows Media Player, QuickTime. These type of client-side vulnerabilities are being exploited. There is a free product by Secunia called a "Personal Software Inspector" you can download for free. It helps mitigate the risk.

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NoBlueDogs
FIGHT Offshoring!!!
09:17 PM on 09/01/2011
The godfathers are always alarmed by the more base or brutal antics of their successors.
07:01 AM on 08/24/2011
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06:44 AM on 08/24/2011
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02:05 AM on 08/23/2011
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Patricia Harlow
Small witty blurb about me!
02:23 PM on 08/18/2011
This man is a legend and a hero. 'nuff said.
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ckava3
03:10 AM on 08/23/2011
I'll 2nd that remark! And, you should really read about this guy, his story is much, much more exciting than what you would think. I read the 1st book about him, and was blown away. The guy had balls, no doubt. The thing is, most criminals w/balls, aren't 1/10th as smart as Mitnik.
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PRONESE
Somewhat Opinionated Curmudgeon
06:36 AM on 08/18/2011
Some old school Hackers just moved on to lead normal lives in the Computer Science Community.
Link: http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~rtm/
Remember Him?
More Coffee...
R/ PRONESE
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WarriorLemming
An avalanche On Republican's B*llsh*t Mountain
04:10 PM on 08/17/2011
Am I the only person who followed the advise of a criminal hacker and downloaded Secunia's "Personal Software Inspector"?
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Benjamin Rosenfeld
12:16 PM on 08/18/2011
nope
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Arturo Ramrez
05:55 PM on 08/18/2011
It's better to listen to the advice of active hackers and move to a free linux platform (hence...no android and no SuSE). Sounds like Personal Software Inspector can be, in itself, a form of malware (like some really famous antivirus software).
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Arturo Ramrez
01:38 PM on 08/17/2011
It's weird that nobody has pointed out the difference between hackers, crackers and lamers.
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PRONESE
Somewhat Opinionated Curmudgeon
10:09 PM on 08/17/2011
And AOL'ers
R/ PRONESE
10:28 AM on 08/17/2011
So are the hackers shutting down SF BART idealist or just too smart to run a lemonade stand? Is someone paying them? Who cares? Hang them in Civic Center Plaza 'til their bodies rot, I am so sick of people who think that for the RIGHT reason it is perfectly alright to violate the rights of others, to inconvenience thousands to make whatever point you have lame or valid. It's almost like John Wilkes Booth who was shocked to see the public not embracing him after he shot Lincoln. They need to hunt down Anonymous and go after them with the full force and fury we would apply to any invading enemy.

We are ALL sick of the juvenile and self-absorbed efforts to MAKE us pay attention to one group or another by violating our rights. The opinion is turning considerably against Anonymous and anyone supporting them and it will end up with the exact opposite effect they are hoping to get because people will finally get so irritated that they will demand an exacting punishment even if it is not in their own long term best interest. I think Ben Franklin said "What you are speaks so loudly, I can not hear what you are saying."
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Eris23
Justice is in indefinite detention.
12:49 PM on 08/17/2011
"am so sick of people who think that for the RIGHT reason it is perfectly alright to violate the rights of others, to inconvenie­nce thousands to make whatever point you have lame or valid. "

So, I take it you absolutely loathe Rosa Parks.
01:21 PM on 08/17/2011
Heh!

Heckuva volley there "Eris"

I had something very like it in mind.....but was going to say something like "critical mass" ....and then probably have to explain it.

Obviously, yours has a lot more "snap".......well done

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Arturo Ramrez
01:31 PM on 08/17/2011
Well, I wouldn't have heard of the SF BART problems if it weren't for Anonymous. I wouldn't have known (though I would've been able to make an educated guess) how deep in is the US in other countries' domestic issues if it weren't for Wikileaks.

So I must disagree with you there.
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gravityhunter
Lock, wave n pull
08:56 AM on 08/17/2011
Leaving donuts for the pursuers......DUDE! You're too cool!! Can't stop laughing.......
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chiodo08
...why do republicans HATE America?...
08:55 AM on 08/17/2011
pppfffttt typical...you make boomers proud by selling out Mitnick...very very proud
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Elizabeth Everett
People's Democracy Not Bankers' Oligarchy
08:27 AM on 08/17/2011
Want to know how to keep viruses off your computer? Get Faronics Deepfreeze. This program will partition your C drive, so that any changes made to your C drive are completely erased when you restart your computer. Of course this means that any documents you create need to be stored on an external hard drive. When you want to update windows and other programs on your computer, you can put Deepfreeze into "thaw" mode. Thaw mode is a good time to send your documents which you stored on your external drive to C drive. This way, your work will be saved even if your external hard drive breaks. It is a great program because we have been able to wipeout even the most crippling viruses with a simple restart. You still have to make sure no one fools you into giving away email Facebook and other passwords.
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Arturo Ramrez
01:33 PM on 08/17/2011
Or you can just switch to Ubuntu or other Linux based OS distro (obviously not Android, though).
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hammergonewild
Poor quality makes me cry.
07:20 AM on 08/17/2011
These slime bags wreak havoc on the world for their own sick enjoyment. Do we know if anyone killed themselves because their systems had been compromised to a point of no return? Hackers sit in the damp confines of their basements, eating Cheetos, drinking Red Bull, and yelling up to mom when dinner will be ready. All of these pricks should spend the rest of their lives making minimum wage in public service. Do something useful and helpful to the world, arshole.
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Eris23
Justice is in indefinite detention.
12:53 PM on 08/17/2011
"Hackers sit in the damp confines of their basements, eating Cheetos, drinking Red Bull, and yelling up to mom when dinner will be ready."

What I personally love about this stereotype is that the people who believe in it never see a threat when it's staring them in the face simply because it doesn't fit into their expected mold.
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MichaelRCooke
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07:15 AM on 08/17/2011
I think the difference is the global recession, if money can be made - that fact has a multiplier effect on the 'hacking' phenomena such that it is more voluminous and monetized in this modern culture. Kevin's greatness lay in the domain of social engineering more than actual hacking - though I suppose he must have learned a lot in his security job in the meantime.

Generally if you run any form of Linux you're cool, and if you dual boot any flavour of windows - the 'wine' emulator in Linux can run most windows applications within Linux.
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Eris23
Justice is in indefinite detention.
12:58 PM on 08/17/2011
It's an interesting notion. Though, I don't think the recession has that much to do with it. It's the "if money can be made" point that is the most true. What changed was the greater number of 24/7 internet connections running out of the home. This is what turned the pursuit of writing viruses and worms from a past time of people looking to make a splash in the underground to a venture backed by traditional organized crime.
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MichaelRCooke
A cartoonist and webmaster.
01:57 PM on 08/17/2011
technology democratizes power, it is not necessary to have organized crime backing to mine for credit card numbers or copy and paste scripts to attack various flavors of Windows. I see desperation turning people to tech crime and scams that would otherwise be pursuing other interests.

Buy you are also right that organized crime is also empowered and the increasing ubiquity of online access facilitates greater payoffs as well. Still, that Microsoft refuses to acknowledge a virus even exists until they have written a patch for it is a wonderful gift to hackers, crackers and script kiddies of all stripes.
06:54 AM on 08/17/2011
When he was asked what consumers could do to protect themselves from being hacked, Kevin didn't mention SE Linux. He may have been thinking more about job security than system security.
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Arturo Ramrez
01:35 PM on 08/17/2011
So true, I thought exactly the same thing.
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Patricia Harlow
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02:22 PM on 08/18/2011
The word 'consumers' applies to many more people than just those who are willing to take the Linux plunge.
04:30 PM on 08/18/2011
Plunge?? You make having a reliable and secure computer sound like an ordeal. Just the opposite is true. Running a Linux system is orders of magnitude less trouble than a M$ machine. Installation is as easy as putting a DVD into the drive and rebooting. I'm very concerned that bloated insecure proprietary software leaves our country vulnerable to cyber attack. The fact that Linux is free and stable makes a very strong argument for requiring its use on systems that are vital or contain national security secrets. Consumers would include everyone who has had their system trashed or their identities stolen. If they knew there was an alternative, I'm sure they would consider “taking the Linux plunge”.

http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/