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Changes to Roman Catholic Mass Will Surprise Majority in the Pews, Survey Says

Roman Catholic Mass Changes

First Posted: 08/19/11 08:18 PM ET Updated: 10/19/11 06:12 AM ET

In many ways, Nicky Gautier is a model Roman Catholic. The Charlottesville, Va., resident attends Mass every Sunday, has enrolled her daughter in Catholic school, is active in her parish's social life and considers herself to be "very religious."

Yet despite her strong church connections, Gautier, 36, was surprised when she recently learned that a significantly altered Roman Missal, the "call and response" guide to the words said by priests and congregants during Mass, would go into effect this fall.

"We were talking about the Mass and my friend was wondering how they were going to bring it about and what would be different, but I remember feeling completely clueless," said Gautier. "I said, 'What do you mean they are going to change the Mass?'"

Since changes were approved by the Vatican in December, U.S. bishops have been preparing priests and lay Catholics for the first use of the revised missal on Nov. 27, the first Sunday of Advent. But despite an aggressive effort by bishops to educate the nation's 68 million Catholics, including training for priests and an extensive web campaign, new survey results released this week say that three in four Catholics are unaware of the upcoming changes.

As part of a broader survey not yet released, the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA) at Georgetown University, which studies Catholic trends and demographics, asked more than 1,000 U.S. Catholics if they knew about changes to the Roman Missal. Overall, 77 percent said no. Among Catholics who attend Mass weekly, 43 percent said no.

They'll want to get up to speed: The new translation requires different responses from congregants in a dozen sections of the Mass.

For instance, when the priest says, "The Lord be with you," the congregation now responds, "And also with you." But come November, the congregation will say, “And with your spirit.”

When reciting the Nicene Creed, the statement of faith, Catholics now say that Jesus is “one in being with the Father." Soon, they will say that Jesus is “consubstantial with the Father.” Also, Jesus will no longer be "born of the Virgin Mary," but "incarnate of the Virgin Mary."

The acclamation "Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again" is being removed from the Mass entirely because it was never in the original Latin version.

The new missal is the first major change to Mass rituals since the early 1970s, when revised texts were issued to implement Second Vatican Council reforms that allowed local languages to replace Latin in the Mass. The new English-language version of the missal is meant to conform more closely to the official Latin text that serves as the basis for all local-language Mass translations. Pope John Paul II initiated the latest translation in 2000. The following year, the Vatican released a document titled “Liturgiam authenticam” (Authentic Liturgy), which said the new missal should replicate the Latin Mass in vocabulary, syntax, punctuation and capitalization.

Even as U.S. bishops press forward with implementation, a minority of priests and laypeople have protested, calling the new wordings awkward and inaccessible. Among them was a Seattle priest who persuaded more than 22,000 Catholics to sign an online petition calling for a pilot program in select parishes. That effort was unsuccessful.

"I'm concerned about those 'Christmas and Easter' Catholics. We don't see them on a regular basis. When they come back to church for the holidays, what will happen?" said Melissa A. Cidade, a research associate at CARA who conducted the survey. "There is not much time left before the new translation starts to be used. Many Catholics will be hit with a 'November surprise.'"

Archbishop Gregory Aymond of New Orleans, who chairs the Committee on Divine Worship for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said he is not discouraged by the survey results. "I'm not very surprised, to tell you the truth. Do I wish it was different? Yes, but I think we live in a society where, unless something is immediately upon us, we don't get overly excited," he said.

Aymond predicted that priests will began talking more about the missal changes in the next two months, when the pews fill up with families returning from summer vacations. The new missal books, which are available for parishes to pre-order, will not be shipped until Oct. 1. "In every Catholic church in the United States, we will have worship aides that people can read from," he added.

The Rev. Jan Larson, a retired priest and liturgist in the Archdiocese of Seattle who originally signed the online petition to protest the new translation, said he has reluctantly accepted its use and expects an overall smooth transition, albeit with a few bumps.

"Most priests have not started introducing the new missal, and for a few couple of weeks, people will have to have cards in their hands with new responses," said Larson, 69, who assists at Our Lady Queen of Sorrows parish in Snoqualmie, Wash. "I went through this before when we went from Latin to English. I remember for a number of weeks people having to follow the new translation back then. I have to keep that in mind now. It was a hassle at the time, but worked fine in the long run."

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this article incorrectly said that the new Roman Missal translation was done to bring the text in line with the Latin Mass as it existed before the Second Vatican Council. The new missal translation is based on the current official Latin text of the Mass.

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In many ways, Nicky Gautier is a model Roman Catholic. The Charlottesville, Va., resident attends Mass every Sunday, has enrolled her daughter in Catholic school, is active in her parish's social life...
In many ways, Nicky Gautier is a model Roman Catholic. The Charlottesville, Va., resident attends Mass every Sunday, has enrolled her daughter in Catholic school, is active in her parish's social life...
 
 
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06:49 AM on 10/06/2011
What little has been exposed or read thus far doesn't seem to bother me too much,but there is some wording I would like to see translated in a manner more pleasing to the church,mass,people and myself.I have read that there is to be some gender changes which I oppose vehemently,because I don't want liberals to use this approach as an effort to permit women a stronger voice in the church,mass and eventual priesthood.I want to adhere to what the apostles and initial contributors,who were more saintly than our present contributors,believed should be observed in the church,mass and teachings.I don't want us catholics to stray away from the important doctrines and teachings of the original church and faith.
01:23 PM on 08/30/2011
As the consciousness of the world grows little by little, this religion will go into oblivion, it will disappear as a religion and will become a Myth just like the ancient religions of Greeks, Romans etc.
Christianity was strong when most of the world was uneducated but now Atheism is growing rapidly where once this religion dominated the minds of people, Europe.
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European1919
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07:45 AM on 08/25/2011
Looks like a massive mess to me.
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Roses
In a gentle way, you can shake the world.
08:14 PM on 08/24/2011
I read about the change in the missals. I would hardly call it 'significant' unless you are really into picking nits.
It basically is a deeper translation of the original latin mass. Some words have a very, very slight change, but it is basically the same intent. It has very few changes for the laity....I think there is probably more changes for the priests.
01:09 PM on 08/24/2011
When you say "majority", do you mean "both" people that still go to Catholic mass?
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almostlyniceguy
Not young enough to know everything..
10:42 PM on 08/23/2011
Don't care. They lost me a long time ago.
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TYRANNASAURUS
UGH!....people taste like crap!
06:03 PM on 08/23/2011
Most Catholics Don't Know About Changes To Mass, Survey Says...

Most religious people, being ignorant, fearful and superstitious don't know much about what they believe in..... I've read in several different articles that Pope John-Paul changed heaven from being a place to go to a "State of Being".
02:30 PM on 08/22/2011
It’s just a new translation. Relax!

This is what tempts me to start going to the larger church a few hours away twice a month for their High and Low Tridentine Mass.
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Cranmer1549
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08:36 AM on 08/22/2011
What is the point of taking out the Mystery of Faith (Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again)? Even if it wasn't in the original Latin mass, is it incorrect as far as Catholic theology goes? These changes just seem extreme. Now let the conservative Catholic usual suspects attack...
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08:26 AM on 08/22/2011
(Inspired to write on 4-22-1986) "As the Angels of the Heavenly Father await the commands,it is with much sadness and righteous anger that the Lord thy God has to prevail upon the weak segment of Christianity to bring about Truth.Many say and do the things that the Lord wishes him to say and do, but always there is that place of forebodence which enables him to evade the total message.Restore only what is Truth, that is the Holy Spirit of the living God within His creatures. Caste aside all pagan oriented doctrines and all pomp and pageantry which is not to the glory of God the Father. Who said that there is any man who can compare to the Almighty Father? Who dares to pretend to be pious? There are none No not one. Truly follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit within you and all will be well. Let not your mind be troubled, for the Lord thy God is in full control."
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Indigo1941
Time traveler.
08:06 AM on 08/22/2011
Latinate translations obfuscate.
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MamacitaOfLove
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01:12 AM on 08/22/2011
None of us need a middleman/person to orchestrate our relationship with our Higher Power.
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10:57 PM on 08/21/2011
I often think that the Roman Catholic Church deliberately attempts to make itself less credible. Changing verbiage in the liturgy to arcane formulae will only disenfranchise more of it's members.
09:03 PM on 08/21/2011
I wish George Carlin were still alive. He'd have a field day with this. Consubstantial and incarnate are soft, fuzzy words that obscure meaning. Consubstantial means "of the same substance". This is less precise than “one in being with the Father." Jesus was flesh and blood. God isn't. Incarnate instead of born? Jesus was Mary's child not her spawn.
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Libby123
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12:40 AM on 08/22/2011
I agree completely. The bit about "incarnate" versus "born of" is especially puzzling since so much is made of pointing out that Jesus was "eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God. Begotten, not made," etc.
Begotten means that a woman was impregnated, either by a male or a miracle. Just one of the remarkable things about the existence of such a Being as Jesus Christ is that he was God AND man! That's a big deal and I think the Church is doing itself a disservice if they want to teach the faithful about why they should believe in Him. The changes are indeed fuzzy and they do obscure the meaning of what I was taught.
Dominus vobiscum!
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MamacitaOfLove
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01:08 AM on 08/22/2011
The early church needed Jesus to be God and man. Perhaps today the church is moving toward a more realistic teaching. Scratch that. It'll never happen. I don't understand why they made these changes.
08:32 AM on 08/22/2011
begotten means caused or generated - I think that is how the Church is trying to have us understand....that the Logos caused a woman - on her willingness alone...to share her body with the humanness of Jesus. The Angel who visited was a messenger of the Word. And the Word was made flesh....and lived among us.

John 17 we hear Jesus speaking to the Father about the reason for Him being caused to come into the world or "sent"
18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, ; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. end quote from John 17.


following is my words, not a bible quote - just trying to verbalize in today's language and as close to what has been passed on to us:

The Word always was (see Genesis) ..THE WORD was "in the beginning"....it was the creative personage of God....AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH...and visted with us.



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bob5148
06:22 PM on 08/21/2011
That's because no one gives a crap or pays attention when they go to church! All they are thinking about is breakfast at Denny's!
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MamacitaOfLove
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01:08 AM on 08/22/2011
Then why go?
06:43 AM on 08/24/2011
Because the Grand Slam breakfast is so good.
Pax vobiscum!