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Wisconsin Teacher Retirements Double After Cuts To Benefits And Collective Bargaining

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By SCOTT BAUER   08/31/11 01:01 PM ET   AP

MADISON, Wis. -- When students return Thursday for the first day of school across Wisconsin, many familiar faces will be gone, as teachers chose retirement over coming back in the wake of a new law that forces them to pay more for benefits while taking away most of their collective bargaining rights.

Documents obtained by The Associated Press under the state's open records law show that about twice as many public school teachers decided to hang it up in the first half of this year as in each of the past two full years, part of a mass exit of public employees.

Their departures came before the new law took effect, changes pushed by Gov. Scott Walker and the Republican Legislature that led to weeks of protests at the Capitol.

The ensuing exodus of teachers and other state employees has led to fears that the jobs might not be filled, and that classroom leadership by veteran teachers will be lost.

Ginny Fleck, a German teacher from Green Bay with 30 years of experience, is among nearly 5,000 teachers who retired.

"It wouldn't make sense for me to teach one more year and basically lose $8,000," she said. Fleck, 69, decided to retire in February, even before the bill became law, in part because of the hit she would take to her $60,000 annual salary, and because of other changes the district was making.

In the first six months of 2011, overall public employee retirements were double that in all of either 2009 or 2010, according to data provided to the AP by the Wisconsin Retirement System. That includes 4,935 Wisconsin school district employees who started receiving retirement benefits, up from 2,527 teacher retirements in all of 2010 and 2,417 in 2009.

Teachers weren't the only ones heading for the exits. State agency retirements were particularly dramatic, nearly tripling from 747 in all of 2010 to 1,966 through June. Retirements from the University of Wisconsin System more than doubled, up from 480 last year to 1,091 this year. All told, 9,933 public workers had retired by the end of June, a 93 percent increase from 5,133 in 2010. The year before, there were 4,876 retirements.

The state Department of Administration said no decision has been made on how many of the government jobs will be filled.

"Each agency is looking at the vacancies created by retirements – case by case – and making decisions based on the needs of the agency, as well as with an eye toward keeping costs down for taxpayers," said DOA spokeswoman Carla Vigue.

C.J. Peters, a sixth-grade social studies teacher in Green Bay with more than 24 years of experience, decided to retire about two months before Walker proposed the collective bargaining changes. The fight over that "put the icing on the cake that I had made the right decision," she said.

Peters said her position has been filled, but she worries what effect the loss of all the experience of those retiring will have on the students and educational system.

"You can't get experience through a book, you've got to teach," she said. "I think a lot of talent has been lost."

Roughly 10 percent of the teaching force in Beloit – 60 out of about 600 – retired this year, which means higher class sizes for both elementary and high school students, said superintendent Steve McNeal. The district filled 40 of the vacancies.

"It's a significant loss to our system, it's a significant loss to education," McNeal said. "We lost a whole bunch of talent and a whole bunch of talent all at the same time. It disrupted the normal cycle."

Many public workers feel under attack by the measure that required them to pay more for their health insurance and pension benefits and took away most of their ability to collectively bargain.

Lawmakers pushed the changes as a way for schools and governments to deal with deep cuts necessitated by a state budget shortfall. Since the law took effect, Walker has repeatedly touted examples of schools like Fond du Lac, Hudson and Appleton that say they are saving money.

Some of the savings are due to the large number of retirements. In general, older teachers get paid more and so represent more of a savings for the schools when they leave. Beloit saved $920,000 through the retirements, McNeal said. But he said those decades of experience cannot be replaced with teachers fresh out of college.

It's unclear how many vacancies caused by teacher retirements are being filled statewide. A spokesman for the Wisconsin Association of School Boards said it was not tracking retirements. A website maintained by the state listed 244 public school openings as of Monday.

Most of the 29 retirements in the Eau Claire school district were filled, said superintendent Ron Heilmann. And that figure was actually down compared to the three-year average of 32 out of a staff of roughly 840.

Heilmann attributed that to the fact that teachers got some certainty by extending their contract for a year, though they took a salary freeze along with the higher pension and health care payments. But Heilmann said there already is chatter about a spike in retirements next year when that contract ends.

"In the back of my mind, that's always a concern of mine," he said. "As a state, Wisconsin is going to have to wake up and balance both sides of the equation. Is losing people on the higher end of the salary schedule good for our schools and children in the long term?"

In Green Bay, Fleck said about 140 out of 1,700 of the district's teachers retired this year. She said another 50 or so planned to retire in the middle of this school year.

"All of the leadership is gone," she said. "Some of these younger people who come in need help from the older teachers and they are gone. Plus, the morale is really down."

Fleck, who will not be reporting to school for the first time in three decades, is not having second thoughts.

"I made the right decision," she said. "I'm glad that I did."

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elgeezr
annoying Libs daily with orgasmic gusto
12:39 PM on 10/01/2011
Sorry Teach, the free ride era is over. Time to retire, quit, or start teaching. Really teaching.
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09:25 AM on 09/16/2011
No worries. Lots of retired teachers are being hired back at their pre-retirement salaries after striking sweetheart deals with their school districts, essentially allowing them to draw a pension and draw their full salary on top. Plus health benefits. Nice deal if you can get it. Not so good for new teachers, but since when have unions cared about those with low seniority anyway.
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El Chingaso
Fighting for mental superiority...
08:51 AM on 09/05/2011
Don't let the door(s) hit you on the backside(s)...
Artu Di-tu
El valiente vive hasta que el cobarde quiere
05:28 PM on 09/05/2011
Otro latino retrasado mental.
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thesciguy
War is murder writ large.
11:02 AM on 09/04/2011
You can't manufacture a graduate overseas (yet), so what's the next best thing? Replace 30 years of experience with a novice at 1/3 the price. If you think there's no value in an experienced teacher, let's take a look a national test scores for Wisconsin over the next ten years.
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farmilyman
everything is illusion
03:41 AM on 09/04/2011
Exactly what the GOP wants so that corporations can privatize education.
Artu Di-tu
El valiente vive hasta que el cobarde quiere
05:29 PM on 09/05/2011
Then all they'll need is a warm body...no education needed!
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nypoet22
Psychology Ph.D., Civics Teacher, Songwriter
04:44 PM on 10/10/2011
not just the GOP. republicans will always be for privatization of public resources, but it's wall street democrats like arne duncan who are really making this happen.
02:05 PM on 09/03/2011
You're all just now figuring out the connection between access to quality education and social and economic equality? Selfish, individualistic tax cuts to social programs were ok as long as they weren't the cuts that affected YOU. Keeping the classes subjugated by controlling access to education and resources is nothing new. Yet, the people who post here seem to think this is some new kind of political tactic. Where were the middle class complainers when it was just the poor kids who didn't have access? Who couldn't find an "out" to slave wages and unemployment? Who have to join gangs and resort to violence and drugs to feel at least some relief from lack of community support? Don't act all surprised their coming after you now, Middle Class. The poor have been suffering under these (anti) social government policies for years, ones you either supported or turned a blind eye to twenty years ago. Now it's your turn. Now that you file in the ranks beside the rest of the working poor, maybe you small business owners will pay your employees a living wage in the future. Maybe you'll respect the janitors and fast food workers a little more. Maybe you know how much medical benefits are worth once you, yourself, no longer have them, now that the government has sold off your middle class rank one privilege at a time.
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Rocket448
e pluribus unions
02:14 AM on 09/03/2011
Reading posts that come from a place of anger and bitterness gives me a sinking feeling. Teachers have met taxpayer outrage by agreeing to salary cuts, benefits cuts, larger class sizes, stricter certification requirements and longer work days. After years and years of cut cut cut, non-teachers are still outraged when they read about average teacher salaries. I find myself wondering if they'd be happier if their children were better educated and had better jobs? If so, they've been going about it wrong, and their disappointment will only grow. Making teaching an unattractive occupational choice will only result in readying a tiny fraction of high-school graduates for the world of work. American public education was once envied the world over. If you think that's still the case, you haven't looked past your prejudice to the way American education compares to the job other countries do. Like it or not, your bile is crippling America's ability to compete in a world market. I realize that's a viewpoint that makes no sense to many people, and the spectacle of poorly-educated people complaining about the sorry state of American public education is rich in irony.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
04:44 AM on 09/03/2011
It's the uneducated that are now helping tear down the institutions that built this country. What we're seeing is the dawning of the modern Dark Ages where an increasing number of bottom feeders drag the rest of our society downward to their level.
Artu Di-tu
El valiente vive hasta que el cobarde quiere
05:31 PM on 09/05/2011
That's no way to refer to the GOP/TP...let's keep it civil.
09:18 PM on 09/16/2011
As a former educator, your point is well taken.
12:20 AM on 09/03/2011
The system is set up for mediocrity. You have over 30 kids in a classroom, no text books, 10 computers for the entire school, and when Frankie beats Billy to a pulp Frankie can't be expelled because the school has reached it's limits for suspensions. It seems as if the public school system is designed to keep the middle class and the poor in its place.
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sidnee
you need faith, trust and a little pixie dust
12:20 PM on 09/04/2011
Yeah, the systerm, not the individual teachers. And when teachers don't have much of a say in how that system is run (by losing collective bargaining rights) then it will only make things worse. My union last year gave up 4 days of pay so we could bring back the librarians at the middle and high schools as well as maintain class sizes at 28 instead of 31 AND bring back counselors. Did we do this just for us? No--for the kids. And the district broke our agreement by cramming kids into our classrooms anyway. They just want teachers to shut up--and cram kids in--and expect miracles. Won't happen. No way.
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elgeezr
annoying Libs daily with orgasmic gusto
12:50 PM on 10/01/2011
Sidnee, the teachers, thru their unions, have had a say in how the system runs for over 50yrs.
And you did it "for the kids". See what that got us? Now it's our turn to do for the kids.
11:11 PM on 09/02/2011
Gotta hand it to the Republicans -- they're good at getting people to vote against their own self-interest.

Step one -- paint teachers out to be evil people who are overpaid

Step two -- cut the pay and benefits of teachers

Step three -- the most qualified teachers leave for greener pastures because their degrees (often master's or doctorate degrees -- you'd be surprised) can earn them much more elsewhere, where they won't be treated like crap

Step four -- Quality of education declines

Step five -- Teachers are blamed for the declining quality of education

Step six -- go back to sep two a few times

Step seven -- The middle class is eliminated because of deteriorating education and the Republicans' rich contributors get to hire cheap domestic labor, outsource all other labor, and keep getting richer while the country goes to pot.
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Strings55
Pickin' for Jesus
10:15 AM on 09/03/2011
Step one -- paint teachers out to be evil people who are overpaid

Nope, not the teachers, the public unions.

Most of the problem was expenses that were unsustainable because the unions, which contribute to the representatives, which in turn negotiate with those same unions made the education system unsustainable with outrageous benefit packages that aren't even possible in the private sector. It's a conflict of interest, pure and simple. We now find out that school districts free of the 'union only' healthcare to make choices have more money now for who? Yeah teachers.

Speaking of declining quality. The Department of Education has close to a $100 billion annual budget and has been a cabinet-level department since 1979.

Have kids gotten any smarter as a result? More competitive in the global market?

No.

You need to get past the class warfare meme.
04:05 PM on 09/03/2011
Going after unions? Talk about class warfare.
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Abraham1771
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02:07 AM on 10/11/2011
Outrageous benefit packages that aren't even possible in the private sector - with a Ph.D. in Physics?
Easily 3 times what a Wisconsin school district pays.
Unemployment of People with a BS/BA is 4%
With an MA/MS it is 3%.
Probably 0 with a Ph.D.

My teacher nieces in other countries laugh so hard when I tell them or they read about American/Wisconsin Schools, they fall out of their chairs.

Go have your brain checked.
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Angie Sullivan
Students are my special interest.
08:01 PM on 09/02/2011
I guess if you keep kicking people in the head - they leave. I guess only the rich who can afford to pay for private schools will have teachers with experience. I guess Wisconsin will start to learn what they veteran teacher knows for real - experience is a good thing when you are talking about educating students.
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Zeus9000
Alterum ictum faciam
06:14 PM on 09/02/2011
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I honestly find you endlessly entertaini­ng. Funny how you are incapable of answering the simplest of questions
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That's funny... I asked you 15 times why you support WEA TRUST and haven't answered once. Put your head back in the sand
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Mr Anonymous
Mumpsimus, I am not entertained!
11:33 PM on 09/03/2011
........ What does that have to do with anything?
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Zeus9000
Alterum ictum faciam
02:32 PM on 09/06/2011
feel free to as Mag
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AndyWright68
Freedom is inevitable!
07:37 AM on 09/02/2011
Even in retirement they continue to accept money that has been stolen from productive people with threats of violence.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
08:31 AM on 09/02/2011
What the h are you talking about? Are you off your meds?
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AndyWright68
Freedom is inevitable!
09:09 AM on 09/02/2011
They are paid through extortion. Try not paying your taxes and ignore the state. Armed bullies in ridiculous costumes with badges will kick down your door, chain you up and drag you off to a cage as if you were a rabid animal. Resist this unprovoked assault and you will be brutalized, electrocuted and sprayed in your eyes with chemicals. Defend yourself with a weapon and you will be cut down in a hail of bullets and murdered. All because you refused to be a victim of theft. USA - Comply or DIE!
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logansteele1
You can't have it both ways.
06:14 PM on 09/02/2011
He's talking about union tactics and citizens forced [via taxes] to pay legacy costs under the threat of imprisonment for failure to do so.
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RubyMontana
When did money become a four-letter-word?
12:16 PM on 09/02/2011
I'm going to agree here! Teachers are paid with TAX dollars. LONG after you, your child and you grandchild finishes school, you will STILL be paying taxes for teachers. And those very teachers that taught you will be sitting with "Cadillac" health plans, cushy pensions and secure futures ... on the tax dollars we all STILL pay. The gravy train is empty, folks. Just as when a private company goes "under", the local school systems have, too. There's no money left. Even a first grader can do that math.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
12:43 PM on 09/02/2011
You have a hard time thinking deeply don't you. Teachers are not hired to teach your kids specifically but to teach the children of a community. Each successive generation adds to the community and lessens the burdens upon the rest. The gravy train as you so ineptly call it is empty because business has captured governments and has taken all the public money we used to invest in our futures. Even your first grade mind should be able to grasp that.
06:53 PM on 09/02/2011
Think about this. Every time the Federal government cuts spending for education the states have to pick it up. When the state cuts their spending the community has to pick it up. Your real estate taxes are now mostly education costs. The Fed and State candidates just pass the bill down stream. But you will notice that business pay little of what they used to. Because they fight their real estate taxes and get them reduced.
Those are the people you keep voting for. Cut Cut Cut
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Rangergirl
Needs of many outweigh needs of few or one
11:20 PM on 09/01/2011
Not all new teachers are good. My kids had new teachers who were terrible. Didn't know how to teach. Just because you have a teaching certificate doesn't mean you are good
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Zombie Goddess
The light at the end of the tunnel is a train.
09:34 PM on 09/01/2011
@mikiao:$25,906 may not seem like "living quite well" to you,but when you've never made more than $15,000,and are used to living within your means,believe me,$25,906 would be enough to live good on.And the $46-$48,000 that teachers are making would be definitely enough to live well on.But I guess some Americans are too spoiled and greedy and can't live within their means.
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RubyMontana
When did money become a four-letter-word?
12:25 PM on 09/02/2011
And don't forget those benefits that we all pay for! Health care, days off, pensions. That's where it REALLY adds up! Who WOULDN'T want the job?
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
12:44 PM on 09/02/2011
When do you become a teacher? Why aren't you trying to get one of those jobs?
10:57 PM on 09/02/2011
I always find it ironic how people expect more and more out of teachers and yet aren't willing to pay more than what an average janitor might make. How do you expect to hire quality teachers if you aren't willing to pay them?
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Zombie Goddess
The light at the end of the tunnel is a train.
11:43 PM on 09/02/2011
$48k isn't enough??And since when did janitors make that much??I've done custodial work,so don't try to tell me that it pays as much as a teacher makes.I've worked in school cafeterias,and that job is nowhere near $48k,trust me.I have a relative who still works in the cafeteria of a large private school who has to deal with snotty,spoiled teachers whining and complaining about everything despite how the food service workers slave away to make sure the spoiled kids and the spoiled teachers get a decent meal every day.And they don't have a union,either.They want to whine that teaching is so hard,let them try being the person a few rungs down the ladder from them,the person who gets by on less than $17,000 yet doesn't whine or complain,and whose job is far more under-appreciated and looked-down upon.If nearly fifty thousand isn't enough to live a decent life on,people need to stop trying to live so extravagantly.
07:12 PM on 09/01/2011
Look, it's really pretty obvious here that unions have gone too far. However, the backlash against unions is also going too far. Unions aren't some inherently evil monstrosity that exists only to screw American taxpayers. We need unions around to protect our best interests in the workplace. I really don't understand the people who are all gung ho about completely eliminating them from existence.
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logansteele1
You can't have it both ways.
06:44 PM on 09/02/2011
Because they have gone too far. They are very like the management they fight against. BOTH have issues and except for where they want the money to go, they are after the same thing...money, LOL. They both want to own politicians. And both are very vocal, lobby and spend plenty to get what they want. I think the lines have become very blurred and there really isn't a good or bad side anymore.
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Mr Anonymous
Mumpsimus, I am not entertained!
11:50 PM on 09/03/2011
What does is matter about what unions do? The people in the unions pay for their services, not you. You can start complaining about unions when you have to pay dues for one that doesn't do anything for you.