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U.S. Border Patrol Officers Encounter Emotional Paradox

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First Posted: 09/07/11 08:38 AM ET Updated: 11/06/11 05:12 AM ET

While "La Migra" agents are often demonized as heartless or unfeeling, in a series of interviews with HuffPost LatinoVoices, a more diverse picture of their ranks emerges.

“I was twenty-two years old, and I have never had more fun in my life,” said Kent Lundgren, Chairman of the National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers. Lundgren loved the years he spent patrolling the El Paso border. “You think of yourself as a man-tracker, a man-catcher. And you try not to let it go to your head, but that’s how young men think. And then you grow up, and you realize it’s serious stuff,” he said in a phone interview with The Huffington Post.

If Lundgren was born in Mexico, he’d try to cross the border illegally, he said. He believes the vast majority of the immigrants who cross our borders are good and hard-working people. He has a profound sympathy for the men and women he once chased, but simultaneously a determination to keep them out of his country. Lundgren believes illegal immigration is not in the national interest, and spends his days of retirement pushing for harsher enforcement policies-- such as the strengthening of pending E-Verify legislation.

Lundgren's case exemplifies a tension inherent to the experience of many border patrol agents. On a day-to-day basis, patrol agents get to know those they chase, learn their language and often come to sympathize with their plight.

CHANGE OF HEART

Steve Cribby, a spokesperson for the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency, told HuffPost that having compassion, is part of the skill set necessary to being a good border patrol agent.

For certain agents, having compassion has meant having a change of heart. John Randolph became a border patrol agent when he was 27 because the job paid well and allowed him to speak Spanish. But Randolph's experience as a border patrol agent led him to become an immigrant rights activist. He wrote about his change of heart in a blog post for The Huffington Post last week:

In my 26 years as a U.S. Border Patrol/ICE Agent, I caught many people. At the time, common sense told me that the vast majority of the people who I caught were good, hardworking people. I began to wonder why immigrants had to be chased like animals, and why I was being paid to chase them.

Randolph quickly realized there were big problems with his position. "It was a hard job, because I knew I was hurting people," he said. Interacting every day with border-crossers made him question the entire premise of the immigration system. "It just didn't make any sense to me why we'd be punishing people who were here to pick our vegetables," he said.

Randolph describes most of his fellow agents as "compassionate people" who felt bad for those they were chasing. He says a few agents had "power trip stuff with racism mixed in," but the vast majority got into their line of work because they wanted a secure job. "We'd go do it for the whole day and then go home and try to forget about it," he said.

Randolph, now retired, spends his days playing music and speaking out against the governments he believes are responsible for a flawed immigration system. By his estimate, he spends nearly four hours every day reading immigration news. "It's taken me a long time to put my finger on it. But, I'm retired now, and I've had time to investigate it further to see why our system is fundamentally broken," Randolph said.

Randolph's longtime friend and fellow retired border patrol agent, A.J. Irwin, has also changed his stance on the border and immigration enforcement system. He said empathy for those who cross the border has led him to advocate for alternatives to forced deportations. He claims to have convinced judges to spare many immigrants from deportation, even flouting his chain of command in order to do so. Most border agents, he said, don't let themselves experience compassion in the way he does.

"I think most border patrol agents have compassion, but a large number of them overcome those feelings or have masked them so that they can do their job -- but only because they have to," he said. "They deal in such large numbers, it would be difficult if you didn't mask those feelings."

Irwin describes himself as a "hard-core agent". After getting his start patrolling the border in New Mexico, he hopped around various federal enforcement agencies for more than 20 years. In 1999, he led a task force that targeted and successfully prosecuted the "the largest alien smuggling organization ever dismantled in United States history," as former U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno described it.

Irwin believes that above all, the tenets of compassion, common sense and discretion should be at the core of a healthy immigration policy. "The small percentage of the aliens who illegally enter the country or enter legally and become illegally present are not a threat to anyone," he said in an email. "Let's focus on the criminals, terrorists, and bad people."

LA MIGRA LATINA

Irwin, like half of all border patrol agents, is of Latino descent -- a fact which he believes has informed his sympathy for undocumented Latino immigrants, as well as an understanding of racial profiling. "If someone named A.J. Irwin is stopped without a [driver's] license, I get a ticket," he said. "But if A.J. Martinez [his mother's maiden name] is stopped under the same circumstances, I go to jail for two months before even seeing trial. That's two months in a jail for not having their driver's license. Would that ever happen to a white person in this country? I doubt it," Irwin concluded.

One might guess that Frank Jorge, a naturalized U.S. citizen originally born in Cuba, would be an advocate for immigrant rights. He is not.

Jorge used to be a member of the vigilante group, the Minuteman Project, and patrolled the U.S.-Mexico border in his spare time. Then he was recruited to spend a month living with illegal immigrants as part of a documentary series called "30 Days" produced by Morgan Spurlock.

For 30 days, Jorge, referred to as "Frank George" in the episode, lived in cramped quarters with seven members of the Gonzalez family, who came to the United States illegally to find work. Every day, Jorge accompanied Mr. Gonzalez, the breadwinner of the household, to work as a repairman. Jorge even made a trip to Mexico to visit the Gonzalezs' hometown to see the conditions in which the family used to live.

The episode depicts a change in Jorge's once stringent views on illegal immigration. In the opening of the episode, Jorge says he had thoughts about calling an ICE bus to come pick up the family within 30 seconds of his arrival. By the end of the episode, Jorge looks into the camera and says, "Perhaps what we learned is that first and foremost, we are human beings, and that's the thing that overrides politics and everything else." He tells the eldest Gonzalez daughter Arminda, who is undocumented, that he will not return to the border as a Minuteman. He says he has gained "another perspective," and agrees to help the family members gain legal residence by attesting for their character.

But, Jorge now maintains that his change of opinion was mostly fabricated by the television show's producers. In a phone interview with HuffPost, he said he still considers himself a Minuteman and is now the co-host of "The Frank and Shannon Show," a radio show that advocates mass deportations and "securing that border militarily, with armed soldiers, with orders to shoot."

What was not fabricated, he claims, was his affinity for the undocumented family he lived with. "They were really lovely people, I loved them -- rather, I love them," he said.

Although Jorge himself is an immigrant and insists that he would "be trying 10 times a day to get over here" if he were on the Mexican side of the border, he says his intellect has driven him to be an advocate of harsher enforcement policies against illegal immigration.

He called the "30 Days" experience "heartbreaking."

"Emotionally, I felt very divided. I really love these people [the Gonzalez family]. It's a battle between my emotions and my intellect," he said. "Some of us are fortunate enough to have a good brain, and intellect tempers our emotion."

Jorge is able to separate his emotions from his politics. But for Irwin and Randolph, and other immigration agents, those borders are more difficult to maintain.

WATCH:

30 Days: Immigration from MacQuarrie-Byrne Films on Vimeo.

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While "La Migra" agents are often demonized as heartless or unfeeling, in a series of interviews with HuffPost LatinoVoices, a more diverse picture of their ranks emerges. “I was twenty-two year...
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maxom
Just flew over the coo coo's nest
10:07 PM on 09/09/2011
Soooo saaaad....let them come on over...and we can give them the few jobs that are left in this country plus all the benefits and insurance....why make them go thru all that red tape of getting legal citizenship when all they have to do is sneak on over....come on ...come on...the border is OPEN.
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John fulano de tal
11:02 PM on 09/11/2011
What goes around comes around.
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maxom
Just flew over the coo coo's nest
11:26 PM on 09/11/2011
Meaning??
10:45 AM on 09/09/2011
I have first hand knowledge of a very dear friends struggles as an illegal alien and his family. I have never known such honest, humble, hardworking, and responsible people. And I mean hard knuckle breaking, crying to the Gods kind of work, not anything I've ever seen an american man do very easily, or without crying and complaining. Before sun up to passed sun down. Just to support his family here and his family in Mexico. He was deported and shot in the desert on his way back because he refused to bring back a backpack full of drugs. The others in his group were kidnapped and forced to do the same. He is just an example of the majority of illegal immigrants coming to America. Most arent trying to break the law, they are just trying to survive and keep their families alive.
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John fulano de tal
11:46 AM on 09/09/2011
r0sesandbees,

Another horrible, tragic truth behind our failed immigration system.

We can stop this insanity.

http://twopesos-protestfortheundocumented.blogspot.com/2011_03_01_archive.html
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omobob
left coast, usa
10:30 PM on 09/07/2011
> In my 26 years as a U.S. Border Patrol/ICE Agent, I caught many people. At the time, common sense told me that the vast majority of the people who I caught were good, hardworking people. I began to wonder why immigrants had to be chased like animals, and why I was being paid to chase them.

A personal statemnt from 26 years of experience that is lost on those who are sure immigrants are or already have destroyed the Country. It keeps the heat off of Goldman Sachs and the Wall St, criminals who have much better and expensive lawyers.
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11:48 PM on 09/07/2011
and how many "terrorist" have you caught? because that's what they keep telling us they are protecting America against.
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omobob
left coast, usa
03:58 AM on 09/08/2011
Catching terrorist is the cover story for bigotry and discrimination.
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John fulano de tal
08:29 AM on 09/08/2011
Hello omobob,

It is so inspiring to me to read your words. I am John Randolph the retired agent who wrote that piece.

The rich who are the real criminals dodge all the bullets while the undocumented take the heat from other victims (US taxpayers) who have been brainwashed by the politicians of those same criminal rich.

If the taxpayers would wake up, we could align with the undocumented and bring this out of control immigration train wreck to a halt. At least then we might have a chance to peacefully persuade Washington do something that benefits the good people of both countries.

Thank you omobob!

http://twopesos-protestfortheundocumented.blogspot.com/2011_03_01_archive.html
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omobob
left coast, usa
04:17 PM on 09/08/2011
Color me grateful for your eloquent words, (A reminder of humanity and compassion.) Simply stated without malice or belligerence which seems to be all we hear from conservatives without your 26 years of experience. As far as I’m concerned your statement trumps all the talk of fences and drones.Thank you for your many years of service. faved, cheers
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left coast, usa
04:21 PM on 09/08/2011
FYI: I am so saving you're reply. This means more to me than any post i have ever written or received.
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AntonioSaucedo
06:42 PM on 09/07/2011
vapaday:

Most Cubans I've met are white; usually of Spanish extraction­. Remember: L is not a race. White Hispanic is not a contradict­ion of terms.
06:16 PM on 09/07/2011
Have you ever witnessed the the tens of thousands of cars, semi trucks, and pedestrian­s which cross the border going both ways on a daily basis?

I LIVE on the border and just what does putting a FENCE up have to do with sealing the border to ALL traffic. Last time I crossed, we didn't jump the line and drive across the river. The POINT is to stop illegal traffic. I always got a laugh out of fools who objected because a fence would stop cross border traffic because in all my years, I NEVER saw wet shoppers from Mexico at the malls.
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John fulano de tal
10:22 PM on 09/07/2011
@randyjet

I always laugh when fools think more fences are going to really stop anything.

You are right. The cross border traffic is seldom if ever stopped, and that is exactly my point. Cross border traffic will always bring people, dope, money and guns into and out of both countries. Bribery helps that too.

At this point the US can not afford the technology to thoroughly check every car, person, and truck that comes into the country daily. The very idea of sealing the border is a joke.

I walked into El Paso from Juarez a couple of months ago. They had a metal detecting machine for people to walk through (which is good). It would stop people carrying drugs, money, or any other contraband that the machine will not pick up.

They also don't x-ray all of the cars and they don't have the technology nor man power to do so.

The only way to effectively seal the border would be have the technology to check everything that crosses both ways. And for now, It is too important to powers to be to keep the commerce and trade flowing (both legal and illegal).
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omobob
left coast, usa
10:34 PM on 09/07/2011
The recent discovery of yet another tunnel at the TJ/San Diego border were the fence is the most expensive and enforcement the most rigourous, proves the futility of any fence. Fences make for good nieghbors but drug smugglers go under, around and over.
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John fulano de tal
08:31 AM on 09/08/2011
Make that would not stop people from carrying drugs, money.....
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hoochie-coochie
Was an atheist until I discovered that I'm God.
04:10 PM on 09/07/2011
Typical gusano.
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NRAMember2008
USMC Veteran
03:51 PM on 09/07/2011
Compassion? Boarder Patrol is one Department that doesn't need Compassion.
02:51 PM on 09/07/2011
Build the wall!!
09:33 AM on 09/09/2011
That is simply STUPID! You cannot see past a wall and see what is happening on the other side! Also walls are easily mounted since you cannot see past them. The first you know somebody is climbing over is when they drop on the other side dummy.
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Vivicca Whitsett
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02:20 PM on 09/07/2011
Doesn't matter. If you come here illegally, you're breaking the law and should be sent back to your country. We have procedures in place to immigrate thru the proper channels. Line jumpers are not welcome. I'm in full support of every employer required to screen every current and future employees thru E-Verify system. If employers continue to hire illegals, then they should pay a very hefty fine for each illegal along with a jail sentence and the company will encure the cost of deporting their illegal employees back to their home country.
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Ryosuke91t
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle..
01:08 PM on 09/07/2011
It's like he's a cop in the 60'sin Biloxi, Mississippi.

"I'm not racist, and I believe blacks should have equal rights. But if my commanding officer tells me to let the dogs attack these people, well... it's a great job with great benefits sooo..."
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fullmonty
01:42 PM on 09/07/2011
Why do you try and compare the two? The black people were citizens trying to change the laws to get equal rights. They did this legally as well.

The Mexicans break the law and then rub our noses in it and most liberals enjoy it.
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Ryosuke91t
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle..
03:45 PM on 09/07/2011
No, civil disobedience is not legal. Which is why MLK was thrown in jail.
They were breaking the law by assembling. They were constantly breaking Jim Crow laws. Sitting at counters they weren't supposed to, was against the law.

Rosa Parks should have been sitting in the back of the bus, to do differently was against the law. They would have all been tazered in today's police action.

The state said passed legislation against blacks assembling, The Selma March was technically illegal. They should have went through the courts in Mississppi for a trial by a jury of their peers(hahah).....

...I'm just saying that laws that are wrong are SUPPOSED to be broken.
If enough people break them, they will no longer be laws.
04:32 PM on 09/07/2011
Uhhh, no,.....it's not like Biloxi, Miss. in the 1960s,not even close. This is about protecting American sovereignty... and upholding our body of laws. It's not a civil rights issue.
'Now you know and knowing is half the battle' only applies if you're honest with yourself.
Right now, you're not being honest with yourself.
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CrestedSparrow
06:27 PM on 09/07/2011
When laws are passed that target one ethnic group and engage in racial profiling, it is ABSOLUTELY ABOUT MY CIVIL RIGHTGS as a citizen of US--make NO MISTAKE ABOUT THAT.
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22Keys
12:45 PM on 09/07/2011
Permissive immigration policies ultimately contribute to the misery in Mexico. As many good, hard-working people leave, the country seems like it will never become prosperous on its' own. If we insist that these people remain in their homeland, they could stay and build something great. There is little motivation to build and maintain your own civilization when you can simply travel to the one next door. Open border proponents are only superficially charitable, in the long run, they are keeping Mexico in an eternal state of poverty.
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ChiBloger
And the truth shall set us ALL free
01:19 PM on 09/07/2011
I think that it is good politics and good policy that will change things back home for these people. Not just good people. I assume they have many of those. But their system is broken as they have no middle class to speak of. And we as a nation are loseing our middle class to undocumeted workers and right wing Ideology are headed in the same direction.
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ugly american
"I drank what?"- Last words of Socrates
04:06 PM on 09/07/2011
It's alright that the Middle Class of America is dying. Our president and new labor secretary think they need to be replaced with a new Latino middle class anyway.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-murguia/improving-the-odds-winnin_b_944881.html
Hilda Solis made agreements that will ultimately hurt the American labor force in favor of other countries citizens. http://www.newsmax.com/US/labor-immigrants-illegal-jobs/2011/08/30/id/409163
If Mexico has no middle class and they want to build a "Latino Middle Class" here it will probably get the same results.
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John fulano de tal
03:05 PM on 09/07/2011
You are misinformed. Much of the misery in Mexico for common people is caused by the US backed war for drugs there and a failed NAFTA policy. It is caused by a US backed corrupt government there too.

The undocumented would not leave if the elite who run that corrupt Mexican government and the elite who run the corporate run US government did not conspire together to make it nearly impossible for them to do otherwise. The would not leave if the US government sanctioned the Mexican government until they took care of their own.

The rich in the US are in bed with the rich in Mexico, and they have no intentions of ever fixing this problem. The debate goes on year after year from both sides of the isle. "Seal the border and deport them all" vs "give them amnesty and let them stay."

With the exception of amnesty in 1985, their circular propaganda goes no where while the rich get richer, and the US middle class dies, and the Mexican undocumented run for their lives.

http://twopesos-protestfortheundocumented.blogspot.com/2011_03_01_archive.html
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22Keys
04:25 PM on 09/07/2011
Conspicuously, Canada (despite its' close proximity to the U.S) does not have this problem. Why? Also, citizens make choices. I am not the most wealthy person in the world, I could easily supplement my income by trading in drugs. I refrain from doing this because I understand that while I may benefit personally from this many people will have misery visited upon them for my actions. People make their societies.
12:24 PM on 09/07/2011
What a joke. You take a guy who states clearly that he, "believes illegal immigration is not in the national interest, and spends his days of retirement pushing for harsher enforcement policies." And then by the 2nd paragraph jump to a recycled story about the border agent who took 26 years to figure out that he's pro-illegal that you ran like 3 days ago. I think most people, not just border agents are sympathetic to people wanting to come to this country. That doesn't change their support for the rule of law and belief that illegal immigration is wrong and a crime.
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newworldman777
What would our future 7th generation think of us?
01:00 PM on 09/07/2011
The immigration policy is the problem. If we had an immigration policy in place for these people like the one that had been in place when your own immigrant ancestors arrived here, alpina, then these people would not be "illegal." They would be as legal as your own immigrant people were. During 1880 and 1925, of the 25 million European immigrants who arrived here, only 2% of them were deported (for having a disease, or whatever). The other 98% were welcomed and almost immediately granted "legal" status. As for the first-class immigrant passengers on those incoming immigrant ships, well, they were simply waved right through the system with a pat on the back. How convenient. Now, that you guys are here, you want to make it impossible for anyone else to come here. Sorry...doesn't work that way. Get used to it.
04:47 PM on 09/07/2011
If you're a student of history, and it looks like you are not, it's something of a rule among "historians" not to judge previous generations by 21st century standards.
When you start doing that, you distort the role and misrepresent the actions of the participants. ie George Washington and all of our founding fathers were racists because they were slaveowners. FDR was a racist because he rounded up Japanese Americans and held them in internment camps for the duration of WWII.
Sorry, life is not fair.... Get used to it
05:20 PM on 09/07/2011
The united states of america LEGALLY immigrates over 1,000,000 people EVERY YEAR which is more than every other country on the planet allows COMBINED. Unless you have a time machine, talking about 1925 in relation to current policies and laws is moot and without merit. The only thing I plan on getting used to, is an administration who upholds their constitutionary obligation and enforces the existing immigration laws and prevents our country from a de facto invasion from the south.
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Captai
Get out while you still can!!
02:28 PM on 09/07/2011
No such thing as 'illegal immigrants' there are only illegal employers. They never go to jail though.
05:22 PM on 09/07/2011
First, that is a really ridiculous statement. What about the illegals who sneak into the country and never have a job? Secondly, why are you attempting (FAIL) to offset or justify one criminal activity with another? I'm all for sanctions and jail time for employers too. now what??
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Max is Back
Caiu na roda, ou acorda ou vai rodar!
12:17 PM on 09/07/2011
It's funny to read the quote of an arrepentido trying to justify his hate based hypocrisy on the issue. It's almost like he wants some white supremacist to pat him on the head and say "you're a credit to your race" or "You're different from all them other wet backs". It's the male version of Michelle Malkin. It's a person who hates himself so much that he persecutes those like him for doing what he did. The quote is a real gem:

"Some of us are fortunate enough to have a good brain, and intellect tempers our emotion."
wyldthings
as a young man I said I'd never get old an didn'
12:44 PM on 09/07/2011
These Border Patrol agents that have a new found sympathy for the Illegals should have to work at Folsom or Chino Prisons for a year and then see how much empathy they have.
01:28 PM on 09/07/2011
I have, and I don't know what that has to do with empathy for illegals. If you think that either of those two institution are full of illegals you're wrong. There's a small amount of inmates with immigration holds, but it is minimal compared to the total population. You have even fewer that are intrenched in the hard core prision culture, most just want to do their time and move on.
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John fulano de tal
02:51 PM on 09/07/2011
Do you mean that every undocumented person in the US is the same type of person as the criminal aliens who end up in state prison? Are you saying that all undocumented people are all rapists, drug dealers, and murderers?

If that is true for you, are you then no different than the prison inmates of your race?

You can't have it both ways and your stereotypical logic is flawed.

And please, don't compare illegal entry into the US as an equal crime to murder. An documented person's first time Illegal entry is a misdemeanor. It has about as much significance as a traffic ticket for speeding, and is just about as impossible to enforce.
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NoirTulips
sweetie darling
01:05 PM on 09/07/2011
He's just like many Cubans who think they're superior to other Latino immigrants.They don't care about "esos indios" like I've heard many say.
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newworldman777
What would our future 7th generation think of us?
01:43 PM on 09/07/2011
No one wants to be at the bottom of the proverbial racial/social totem pole. Every group wants to place some group -- any group -- beneath them. Human nature at work.
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Max is Back
Caiu na roda, ou acorda ou vai rodar!
02:05 PM on 09/07/2011
He probably comes from a place where the entire idea of being part of a minority is something he has never experienced.
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MikeyJaii
Free $$ For Everyone.
12:07 PM on 09/07/2011
They just don't get it, doesn't how good of a person you are. Crossing the border is against U.S laws and it's illegal.
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newworldman777
What would our future 7th generation think of us?
12:31 PM on 09/07/2011
Change the laws and allow them to be legal. Voila...problem solved.

It ain't that difficult to understand, hombre, not even for you.
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JohnnyLawson
your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying
12:43 PM on 09/07/2011
Why should we change laws to reward lawbreakers?..not that difficult to understand hombre...
02:38 PM on 09/07/2011
What other laws would you like changed to accommodate you? We have tough laws on grand theft auto. Change the law to make it legal, viola... problem solved, right?
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SIMPLICIMUSS
Kampf gegen Dummheit !
04:15 PM on 09/07/2011
I am sure those VOPOS on the Berlin Wall got a twinge of guilt every time they squeezed the trigger,..... and the were not trying to keep people out, they were trying to keep them in .
12:03 PM on 09/07/2011
Thats all swell and wonderful, but the fact is illegal immigration must be stopped. This is not about the character of people coming illegally across the border. Extremist could just as easily slip into the US, and may already have. We have laws against illegally aliens, those people that come here illegally deserve nothing.. should be rounded up and sent back to mexico. Its not the US fault that mexico is not a great place to live or work, and we dont have a open door treaty with mexico to take all that they dont want or who decide not to live here. When they get to the US the illegals start marching to get the rights of people who are here legally. The illegals deserve nothing, no benefits, no emergency room treatment, no health dept. freebies, no enrollment in public schools. Of course they dont want to be identified as illegals for fear of being sent home or singled out, but what else do you do with lawbreakers? This is not about good or bad but illegals, theres no blurring the two. Either your here legally or not. mexico awaits, go home.
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John fulano de tal
12:53 PM on 09/07/2011
I agree, lets stop it. We have to get to the root of the problem to stop it.

I speak specifiably of Mexico. The good people of Mexico would not stay or come here if they were paid a decent living wage working with their families at home. American factories on the border (maquiladoras) pay them about $10 A DAY to assemble our electronics and clothes. So who profits at whose expense?

No one can live on those wages.

You want to stop it? Then organize as US citizens to peacefully protest and force the US government to sanction that corrupt Mexican government until they provide for their own.
If you could clear your mind, we could even align with the undocumented to bring our current failed immigration to a halt and make Washington make a decision.

Washington sanctions (for greed) lots of countries. Why not Mexico? Is Washington too dependent upon Mexican trade and oil to rock the boat?

This issue is right up there with failed mortgages, failed health care, and the downfall of the US middle class. They profit while we (and the Mexican people) suffer.

Look beyond Washington's propaganda and rhetoric. It is designed to keep taxpayers fighting each other and blaming the symptom (undocumented people) and not the cause (the elite's greed)

http://twopesos-protestfortheundocumented.blogspot.com/2011_03_01_archive.html
01:39 PM on 09/07/2011
Actually many of the maquiladoras have moved oway. They found the Mexican minimum wage to be too high and mexico's few labor laws to be too strict. They went to china or other countries where people will work for even lower wages with no worker protections. As for Mexico's agreculture, it's was decimated when nafta took effect. The market was flooded with heavily underpriced, subsidized American products.
wyldthings
as a young man I said I'd never get old an didn'
03:13 PM on 09/07/2011
You know John People like you are the problem not me. You want to ignore the problem of Illegals because you think that's the Humane thing to do. Well you're not You're creating an acceptable Illegal Underground. By avoiding sensible Immigration reform you in effect condemn the Sons and Grandsons of Illegals a chance at the American Dream. Take a look at the Prison Population of California. Now I'm from a Family that settled in Southern California since 1850. My Great grandparents are from Spain and Mexico, my Grandfather was born in Mexico. I have watched as California and the legal 2nd and 3rd Generations of Legal Immigrants prosper in School and Business. Now I see the 2nd and 3rd generations of Illegals continue to have no health Care no Schooling no chance but working low wage jobs for them and their Children.