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ACLU Challenging Florida Law Requiring Welfare Recipients To Pass A Drug Test

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KELLI KENNEDY   09/ 7/11 03:14 PM ET   AP

MIAMI — The American Civil Liberties Union is suing to block Florida's new law requiring new welfare recipients to pass a drug test, filing the lawsuit on behalf of a Navy veteran who was denied assistance to help care for his 4-year-old son because he refused to take the test.

The lawsuit was filed Tuesday in federal court.

"The law assumes that everyone who needs a little help has a drug problem," said Luis Lebron, 35, who had applied for the state money to help care for his son while he finishes college. "It's wrong and it's unfair. It judges a whole group of people based on their temporary economic situation."

The ACLU, which is also challenging a mandate by Gov. Rick Scott requiring drug testing for state employees, says the law is unconstitutional – an argument that federal judges have agreed with before – because it constitutes an unreasonable search or seizure.

Lawmakers in more than two-dozen states have proposed drug-testing recipients of welfare or other government assistance, but the ACLU said Florida is the first to enact the law.

The Department of Children and Families, which oversees the program, has tested 1,500 to 2,000 recipients since mid-July. About 2.5 percent of those tested positive and about 2 percent declined to take the test, according to state officials.

State officials have previously said they are still tabulating numbers to determine how much money the state has saved.

Scott said during his campaign that the measure would save $77 million, but it's unclear how he arrived at those figures.

Applications for the welfare program, known as Temporary Assistance For Needy Families, have decreased significantly since December, but state officials said it's likely because residents have reached their 48-month benefit limit, not because they were deterred by the drug test.

Under the program, the state gives $180 a month for one person or $364 for a family of four. The law requires recipients to foot the bill for the drug test, which costs $30 to $35 per test. Those who test negative are reimbursed with their first payment.

No other state currently requires drug testing because it's difficult to get around arguments that the tests violate the Constitution's ban on unreasonable searches. Michigan's random drug testing program for welfare recipients lasted five weeks in 1999 before it was halted by a judge, kicking off a four-year legal battle that ended with an appeals court ruling it unconstitutional.

"We're not Michigan," said Lane Wright, a spokesman for the governor's office.

"The motivation behind it is to make sure that taxpayer money isn't subsidizing somebody's drug habit and to make sure the money is going to children to whom it was intended."

ACLU attorneys said the law is a logistical mess because some counties, including Baker, DeSoto, Madison and Union, do not have a facility to conduct the tests.

"It's not only unconstitutional, but it is a public policy that rests on ugly stereotypes," said Howard Simon, ACLU Florida executive director.

As the state battles it out, Lebron said he will struggle to care for his son while he finishes school. The single father is scheduled to graduate with an accounting degree in December.

When he was sworn into the military, Lebron said he took an oath to uphold the constitution.

"Now I'm asking for the constitution to defend me," he said. "No one should have to give up their rights to provide for their children."

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MIAMI — The American Civil Liberties Union is suing to block Florida's new law requiring new welfare recipients to pass a drug test, filing the lawsuit on behalf of a Navy veteran who was denied...
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08:07 AM on 10/12/2011
The report by the AP states that 32 applicants have failed with 7,028 passing. To date Florida has spent about $250K to keep 32 applicants from assistance. We can afford to drug test but can't afford teachers?

Some posters state that the tax payers have a right to ensure Gov't subsidies aren't used for drugs. What about alcohol, porn or gambling habits? For those in favor of this law, is this what you expect? Should we not stop at welfare and test for unemployment, social security, tax breaks...any type of Gov't funds? To be constitutional, you can't just limit testing to benefits for the poor.

Employers drug test because it keeps insurance costs down. In theory, this means a "drug free" environment. However, we know this isn't true. An applicant may be "clean" during the hiring process but once hired they could use. The same is true of this law. It doesn't prevent anyone from using welfare for any type of addiction. It just means they were "clean" of illegal drugs at the time of the application. So what?

Regardless of your political leaning or whether you agree on the constitutionality of the law, you have to admit that this law buys FL nothing. Florida, we have better ways to spend this money. How about putting it toward the PRESCRIPTION DRUG problem which costs the state much more than the handful of "users" who get Gov't assistance? Of course we won't because Scott can't get rich off this approach.
04:56 PM on 10/15/2011
Do you really want to bring in the math game into this equation? Cost is $250k to keep 32 applicants away?

REALLY?!?!?
REALLY!?!?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/nearly-1600-fla-welfare-applicants-decline-to-take-drug-test-fueling-debate-over-new-law/2011/10/11/gIQADxaUdL_story.html

Have you forgotten the 1600 applicants now choosing not to even apply?

1600 people who dont apply + 32 fail drug test = 1632 not under the new system

1,632 people x $180 a month per person (conservative number, not including families who get $364) x 12 months per year = $3,456,000 dollars a year saved

$3,456,000 saved - $250,000 spent to maintain program = THREE MILLION DOLLARS!!

bringing in the math!?!?!

REALLY!?!?!!?
08:54 AM on 10/16/2011
Calvin, First of all, we don't know why the 1,600 applicants declined the test. The cost is $35 and most people who are honestly forced to use the program CAN'T AFFORD THE COST! In addition, there are locations in FL where these individuals don't have access to a testing facility and don't have transportation to get to another town to be tested. So you really can't use the "decline" number with any certainty at this point, because you can't say that all 1,600 would fail the test. Stick to what we do know.

We could argue the math all day, but the more important point is that you have failed to answer the question which is what is to stop these individuals from using the money for other addictions? How is the law going to prevent them from being clean at the time of testing and then using as soon as they get benefits? The only thing this law is doing is ensuring that someone is drug free (illegal drugs only I might add) when they apply for benefits and ensuring that Gov. Scott gets richer.

I live in FL, do you? This state has seen a downward spiral in many ways due to the policies of Gov. Scott. Haven't you heard? The polls show he is the LEAST LIKED, WORSE Gov. ever!!! He cut teacher jobs because he says the state needed to reduce costs, but the state can afford to pay millions for drug testing?

REALLY!?!?!!?
04:39 PM on 10/05/2011
The ACLU needs drug testing. Looking at some of the things that they protest, I think that they're all stoned, all the time.
02:40 PM on 10/04/2011
The ACLU.....once again sticking their nose in business it doesn't belong in. What a waste of an organization.

There is NOTHING wrong with this law. It SAVES taxpayer money from having to support bums that want their free ride and want to get high from it too. Get out of my wallet. Don't like what I'm saying? Tough. You want my money while I have my own family to support? Get off the drugs & I'll help you. you have 4 years to get a job. If you can't in that amount of time, you're ridiculously lazy or just stupid. I say stupid and pazy because if you can't find work for 4 years, you needed to use that time to relocate to somewhere that you could find work and housing rather than wanting to sponge off the rest of us for the rest of your lives. If the ACLU wants these people to continue to receive the free money, let them give it to them rather than havign the rest of the taxpaying americans pay for it.
08:04 AM on 10/04/2011
GO FLORIDA.
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10:08 AM on 10/03/2011
I got an interesting response from a poster who had an anger management problem. So I will explain my position one more time.Not every state has the same criteria for "handouts". You want Welfare in Ohio? No kids you can't get it. Food Stamp card? Jump through hoops to get and keep them. They don't follow their own rules here. I was sick and couldn't eat or drink. I had no money. Nearly died. I needed Food Stamps. No one will make me feel ashamed. of that "handout". Many struggling Middle Class are on Welfare and Food Stamps but won't admit it. What would the neighbors say. Are there Poor who take advantage? What group doesn't have screw ups? Drug testing for work? She never was raised in the era where drug testing never happened. People came to an unappreciated job stoned so everyone has to prove they're clean. I'm not going to argue that anymore.

Then she snarled about "take your Government cheese..." Never was on it and can't digest dairy. Some need Government Cheese. Beats starving.

Then she snarled about my "drug use!" When I was Middle Class I was an addict. Been clean and sober for nearly 40 years on my own. I don't have a car anymore, but never needed a designated driver. Can you all say the same?

"Handouts" and being an addict? Been there done that. Have more insight on both than those who've never done either.
02:36 AM on 10/02/2011
I have to take a test to work to make money to pay into the system to support welfare benefits, and no one considers that unconstitutional so how do you figure it violates welfare recipients rights in any way?
If you don't like it or can't pass.........go get a job and see how your rights may be violated!!!
What a bunch of crap.........your rights and search and seizure....bull!
08:19 AM on 10/03/2011
well the fourth amendment, illegal search and seizure has to do with the 4th amendment in the constitution, which only applies to the government and public institutions, not the private sector.
Most of the private sector drug test people to lower their insurance ( a whole nother scam) I don't know why people assume people on welfare don't have jobs or don't want jobs. and if you feel that your rights have been violated at your job then maybe you should attack that issue instead of others being violated. Americans love to brag about "freedom that our trrops are fighting for" and then you don't even believe in the constitution....you call it a bunch of crap....thats sad, i'm going to pray for you.
12:40 PM on 10/03/2011
Who said I didn't believe in the Constitution, nor did I say it was a bunch of crap?
The crap is all the stuff all the people are saying on here.
And I really don't need you to pray for me, but pray for yourself as you are definately suffering from a false sense of persecution, knowing that the government is out to get you. LOL
Another thing is that the "private sector" is not issuing drug tests for insurance purposes alone, a lot of the time it is to keep dumb people safe from injuring others including their co-workers etc. Like I said I don't want a doctor doing surgery on me after just snorting up a bunch of drugs do you? Or my airline pilot rolling up a big ol' fatty while in control of the plane I'm on. And I don't feel violated at all for having to have a drug test. I don't have anything to hide. You can talk until your blue in the face, but it is what it is and if I have to drug test then so should others to get a free be.Plain and simple, no smoke screens, and no diverting others attention about the Constitution. Which by the way how do you relate the topic of drug testing with search and seizure and the legality of it. Those are two separate subjects..WOW!
02:39 PM on 10/24/2011
get your head out of your ....

ANYONE that wants a public benefit should have to go through drug and alcohol screening. ANYONE that refuses either dind't need the benefit in the first place or has something to hide.

You cannot be in the armed services without pre-employment drug and alcohol screening AND regular drug screening after that. During my 30 years I averaged about 4 drug tests a year.

The federal government REQUIRES pre-employmnet and regular random drug testing for many private sector jobs.

Just one example, anyone that works on aircraft equipnment, is required to be on a drug test program that requires pre-employment and regular, random tests of at least 25% of the workers in a company. BTW, there is an alcohol program that has the same requirements.

Want to look it up, it is in the 14 CFR, chap 1, part 120, subpart E for drugs and subpart F for alcohol.

There are also requirments for other jobs in the 49 CFR chap 40.

Want to work on servicing ANY aircraft part? Gotta do the drug testing. This is FEDERAL law, not the employers decision.
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01:52 PM on 10/03/2011
They're singled out simply because they're Poor and expected to suffer because of the bad acts of some Poor. Oh stop your complaining about Welfare people. They've got enough headaches without you chiming in. Search and seizure? What are you talking about? No, wait, I don't want to know. Oh and your snarky comment about Government cheese to me you assumed that because I was poor I should either go on the program of have been on it. Don't bother me again Debbie. You're too nasty.
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01:36 AM on 09/26/2011
Picturě it!
Your on Wělfarě.
Somě Strangěr wants to starě at your junk and watch you piss běforě you can gět food.
Isn't this awěsomě. Thě toppěr thě drug těst doěsn't ěvěn show if your intoxicatě­d(marijuan­a) for thě last 30-60 days. So your branděd as an abusěr and unworthy of food for not ěvěn běing intoxicatě­d. What is wrong with all you pěoplě? That is rhětorical btw if your unablě to comprěhěnd.
06:55 PM on 09/25/2011
What are folks getting so hot about? If the liberals want to force Florida out of testing people who live on welfare so be it. In order to accomplish this fairly we must eliminate all drug testing across the board throughout the United States. All Law Enforcement Agencies, Military, CIA, FBI, State & County Corrections Departments and all areas where sensitive material is viewed or NUCLEAR WEAPONS are stored or handled (and the friggin list goes on) MUST be allowed to apply for a job and never be tested for drug use.
What a farse this would be... I witnessed Officers being terminated from employment due to positive drug results, (tested twice). As an officer I never wanted to be around any office or employee who was on drugs.

When I went into the military I had to pee in a cup, when I applyed for a LEO position I had to pee in a cup and finally when I applied for a LEO type position in Miami many Mango Seasons ago I had to pee in a cup. I did so willingly to prove I was clean of anything that could effect my judgement.

Anyone asking for assistance via taxpayers money should be tested for illegal drug use upon the first request for aid and randomly thereafter.

The UCLA should stick their liberal asses in obama's face and go after him.

Then again put it to a public Vote...
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01:10 AM on 09/26/2011
You suck sir. That is all.
02:41 PM on 10/24/2011
That is one stupid remark. It does not address the statements made or the basic subject at all.

You are an idiot.
03:21 PM on 09/20/2011
"The Department of Children and Families, which oversees the program, has tested 1,500 to 2,000 recipients since mid-July. About 2.5 percent of those tested positive and about 2 percent declined to take the test, according to state officials."

2.5 % is not a very large amount of people and I wonder how many were for prescription drugs. Rick Scott who owns the drug testing company is enriching himself at the Florida taxpayers expense...kind of like when he ripped off American taxpayers by bilking us out of millions of dollars in Medicare fraud. Now Nicki Haley claims over 1/2 the people on medicare and unemployment are on drugs. These are the Tea Party candidates a bunch of lying greedy anti-american anti-human bigots.
06:55 PM on 09/18/2011
I dont see what the big deal is. People who are hired at jobs very often have to submit to a drug screen upon being hired and are subject to random testing as a condition of said job. The companies aren't accusing them of being on drugs, but it is a condition of employment that they not be on drugs. It should be the same with recipients of state, county or federal assistance. It is a condition of recieving benefits that they be drug free.
03:26 PM on 09/20/2011
I guess you don't understand what civil rights are and not being presumed guilty but presumed innocent. No one should be subjected to government drug testing. I thought the GOP was anti-biog government..I guess that is not true when they are harassing the poor and unemployed for being poor and unemployed! You want to take away the rights of millions of people so that 2.5 % of them are denied services. You all make me sick.
09:33 PM on 09/20/2011
Regarding the welfare-and-drug-testing debate:

Civil rights involve freedom of expression, freedom of religion, safety, and protection from discrimination, among others. Welfare is not about freedom, and it is not a civil right. No-one is forced to accept welfare; it is a choice to apply. Therefore, I cannot see any possible civil rights problem with imposing conditions, such as drug testing, on receiving welfare. If you want welfare, don't do drugs. If you don't want government drug testing, no one is forcing it on you; simply don't apply for welfare.

As a taxpayer, I don't want my taxes going to support someone's drug habit; this restriction is perfectly reasonable (though as the article mentions it catches few drug users in practice). Even better than saving money, however, is the possibility that this policy might encourage some people to stop doing drugs.

In that vein, Rick Scott's policy would be a whole lot more balanced if it actively helped people stop drugs by paying for treatment. As a taxpayer, I believe that's the best anti-drug investment my taxes could buy.
10:54 AM on 09/22/2011
Awaiting your rebuttal to the statements of Jonathan and Bryan.
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06:38 PM on 09/14/2011
I'm tired of hearing the crap going on her bashing the Poor about what they may or may not be doing. I dare any of you to go up to a Poor, ask them if they have Welfare and what they're spending it on. I dare ya! I dare you ask them if they're spending their Welfare on booze, drugs, gambling, whatever other BS people think we do. Let's say you go up to a Poor and and say "I bet you spend all your Welfare on drugs and booze. You go out to Bingo Night every Wednesday. Every Saturday you go to Lucky's Casino." and that Poor says no. Hate booze, never used drugs, I don't gamble. Know what you'd all say? You're a liar! Why I heard that's what you all do. I just read an article where it said 'you' people took your Welfare cards and went to a Casino! Poor guy says "That wasn't me. I don't do those things." What would you all say? You're a liar! I know you did. Everyone says all you Poor gamble and drink and drug with your Welfare! "But lady, some Poor do. I'm not one of them." You'd all probably walk away ticked because he wouldn't confirm what you wanted.
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01:05 AM on 09/14/2011
Any drug testing is unconstitutional at this point when it comes to cannabis. The tests them selves show whether a person has use cannabis in the last 2 months NOT whether they are high or intoxicated. This is what is fundamentally wrong with drug testing and down right wrong!
03:17 PM on 09/15/2011
I can't believe what I just read! The people working their rear ends off (sometimes with two jobs) to contribute to your welfare and you don't think it's a slap in the face that you use the money for your pleasure and not food and shelter? Talk about an entitlement attitude! Maybe you could support yourself if stayed out of la la land!
Lets see... eat?... get high... eat?...get high. Wow thats a hard decision. Ingrate.
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07:54 PM on 09/15/2011
For one I have never ever used welfare. It is quite obvious you have some misplaced hate there. All I said was drug testing is unconstitutional simply because it doesn't detect if you are intoxicated, only if you have used it in a month or 2. That is plain wrong. Also If someone is on welfare they shouldn't have to be sober just to suit your stúpïd life plan for them. Jobs are dropping off like flies so you may find yourself on welfare down the road. On top of that wouldn't it just be a hoot too pïss in a cup in front of strangers just to get food.
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04:26 PM on 09/13/2011
I read on a Forum about three months back of a Middle Classer. All I can remember was him saying that he's on Unemployment. I didn't think much of it until he said that he works under the table. So essentially here was this guy boasting about scamming the system. I'm working under the table so I don't have to be honest. I can claim I'm not working but still collect Unemployment, when in fact I am working under the table, I am getting money, but I'll profit twice. Know what everyone asked? "Are you paying taxes on your Unemployment?" Not a single word about "you're scamming the system. You're working, you're getting paid, oh but because you may be getting cash instead of an actual paycheck, off the books, it doesn't matter that you're double dipping." What angered me was that this guy boasted about it. He could be getting drugs. Oh no. We can't assume that can we. Only the Poor are druggies, right? Only the Poor scam the system, right? Let's not impose the same restrictions on Middle Class to get a benefit they think they're entitled to because they're all just soooo perfect.

My point is, proposed laws on another group of people because of false judgement using their caste in life should be shared by those who demand it. Not just the politicians. I'm glad not all support it. Too many do. They never think it could spread to them.
09:31 AM on 09/18/2011
If I wanted or needed welfare I would be happy to prove I haven't used drugs in the past.
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03:53 PM on 09/13/2011
Why are Middle Classers against this when they say that the uninsured shouldn't be treated in an ER? Why are Middle Classers against this when they believe the fear mongering that the uninsured raise health care costs when in fact greedy doctors, hospitals, insurance companies can do whatever they want and capitolize on people dislike of poor. Is it only the Poor who are uninsured or Middle Class who can't afford it? Poor are blamed for everthing and stereotypes abound which people refuse to get educated on. It's just too darn hard to accept what Poor really go through so all are blamed for the bad acts of a few.

Why is it when I say okay Middle Classer, you want to drug test Welfare people , you drug test for your Social Security and Unemployment I'm either totally ignored because Middle Class think they're so special and exempt from the same rules they want to impose on others or they act like they're the working taxpayers. Well guess what. Some poor are working tax payers and they're not all Middle Class. Some benefits are NOT easy to get and not always given which people don't want to hear about.

Tell me. Is this Florida law angering people because it's really wrong? Or is it because this stupid proposed law that's challenged could be passed and eventually wash over onto YOU in other states for a benefit?
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11:15 AM on 09/12/2011
Has anyone drug tested Rick Scott???
09:33 AM on 09/18/2011
I think all law makers should be included in drug testing laws. Not just the middle class and the poor. Let's test everyone and have a "DRUG FREE AMERICA"