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EXCERPT: "A People's History Of The Great Recession" By Arthur Delaney

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First Posted: 09/07/11 12:03 PM ET Updated: 12/19/11 08:24 AM ET

What follows is an excerpt from "A People's History of the Great Recession," a compilation of HuffPost Politics reporter Arthur Delaney's stories on those hit hardest by the economic crisis. This collection of Arthur's impassioned reporting, putting flesh and blood on the statistics, also marks the debut of HuffPost's entry into e-book publishing , which will allow us to delve deeply into interesting and timely topics. Look for our next title coming later this month. For more on "A People’s History of the Great Recession," check out Arianna’s latest blog post here.

INTRODUCTION: How the Rules Have Changed

On July 17, 2009, Terry Harris of Jonesville, S.C., lost her job as an executive assistant at a promotional products company. The company, she said, went belly up.

"My boss actually cried when I was let go," Harris told me during an interview in May 2011. "I have an excellent letter of recommendation from him."

In other words, Harris said, "It was purely an economic thing." She lost her job through no fault of her own.

What she hadn't figured out was why she was still unemployed and why her husband had been bounced from one wretched low-paying job to another. Why, she asked, if they both finished high school, got some post-secondary education, had solid work histories and held off on having kids, was it such a struggle to pay for things like getting the car fixed and visiting the dentist?

"I think the thing that keeps me going is knowing that we are really lucky, even in spite of the challenges that we are facing," said Harris in an email. "I can't help but feel badly for those that I know are worse off than we are. And I am truly grateful. And knowing that we are not alone helps a great deal, too. But it seems to be getting harder. Harder not to worry, not to cry, not to give up hope. We did everything right, I thought."

She was right: It had gotten harder.

President Obama, in his 2011 State of the Union address, talked about how most people could remember the good old days, when getting a job meant showing up at a factory after finishing high school. "If you worked hard, chances are you’d have a job for life, with a decent paycheck and good benefits and the occasional promotion," the president said, adding that he understood "the frustrations of Americans who’ve seen their paychecks dwindle or their jobs disappear -- proud men and women who feel like the rules have been changed in the middle of the game."

"They're right," Obama continued. "The rules have changed."

Indeed they have. For the past two years, I have written about the unemployment crisis as a reporter for the Huffington Post, interviewing and emailing with hundreds and hundreds of people who didn't understand where they went wrong. This book is about them.

The Great Recession started in December 2007 and technically ended in July 2009, according to the economists. Unofficially, the recession has continued, and it even seemed to be gaining steam halfway through 2011. The government's monthly snapshot of the labor market has consistently shown more than 20 million either out of work or underemployed. And in every snapshot an even scarier percentage of those people has been out of work for six months or longer.

To address the jobs crisis, the Obama administration championed more generous food stamps, unemployment benefits, tax cuts, and health insurance subsidies for layoff victims, among other things. The broader safety net prevented a record poverty rate in 2009, yet it gets no respect in Congress, where Republican and even Democratic lawmakers spent 2010 describing the unemployed as a bunch of lazy drug addicts unworthy of the federal deficit spending lavished on them.

The myth that unemployed workers would rather watch TV than look for jobs helped lawmakers take away much of the expanded safety net, and most of the rest will be rolled up soon as federal spending continues to lose popularity in Washington. In particular, it's likely that extended unemployment benefits will be dropped at the beginning of 2012 in an unprecedented abandonment of the long-term jobless during a weak economy.

The soggy housing market is a huge component of the ongoing crisis, in which millions of people are unable to afford mortgage payments on homes with shrunken values. Homeowner advocates wanted Congress to give bankruptcy judges the authority to reduce mortgage principal. The administration did little to support this policy change, opting instead to put banks in charge of a mortgage modification program that has been an utter disaster.

Of all the people feeling ripped off by the Great Recession and its aftermath, few have a better claim than the ones who complied with the application process for the Home Affordable Modification Program and then discovered that the program itself had put them into foreclosure. It's no wonder Obama could talk about dismal main drags and shuttered factories in his State of the Union speech but couldn't bear to mention the boarded up homes and "Bank Owned" signs that line the streets of many American neighborhoods.

As for Obama's signature accomplishment during his first term, most of the benefits of health care reform will be realized years from now. But the law created one program that launched almost immediately to give insurance to the uninsurable -- people with "pre-existing conditions." The program has literally saved lives, yet, as with the mortgage program, it won't help as many as it could, or as many as the administration said it would.

The long-term unemployed lose their health insurance, their homes, their minds. Yet for some reason, it has seemed the angriest people in America aren't the ones who've been trampled by the economy. Rather, it's the fury of well-off middle-class whites, resentful of the government's safety net, that has received the most media attention.

The millions of unemployed haven't organized or formed giant mobs like they did during economic depressions in the past, thanks largely to the stimulus programs that kept things from getting as bad as they once did. Instead, today's jobless take to the Internet. Between looking for work, they commiserate and swap stories on message boards, shout at reporters on Twitter, and lobby Congress via email. It's not enough to make them a political force, and for that reason their problems won't get solved. But their anger is there. As some of the following stories show, it does spill over occasionally.

Some jobless find solace in the stories of others in similar straits. That's why when I write about unemployment, in my stories I often ask unemployed people to email me and become sources. Knowing how stories of other people's suffering comforted them, they want to return the favor.

The stories occasionally bring victories, like when homeowners wrongly denied mortgage modifications get bank executives' attention through their press shop. More typically, the stories show the powerlessness of individual people -- people who emailed me just because they played by the rules only to discover the rules had changed.

"Good, decent people who worked hard, did everything right, believed in the American Dream have been destroyed," wrote a Californian who said her brother killed himself after job loss collapsed his financial situation.

"On the eve of my 60th birthday and without marketable skills I have no chance of ever finding a job again in the traditional economy," wrote a North Carolinian who'd been out of work nearly two years. "I am determined to survive this horror show. But my survival will not be determined by our broken economy. It’s 'think outside the box' time. Traditional methods obviously won’t work for people like me."

“I did everything right, I played by the rules, I got skills, I excelled in my job, all to no avail," wrote a New Jerseyan who said he lost his job in 2010. "I don't know what I'm going to do. All the years of both parties talking about free trade agreements and how we will retrain America was just a bunch of BS; it was easy to say all that when times were good."

After all this time talking to unemployed people, I have identified a few of the new rules. I must say, they kinda suck. Here they are:

--Don't Be Old

Terri Harris suspected age discrimination was a big reason why she couldn't find work. She wasn't even 40, but she'd developed a keen awareness of her years. She said she and her husband didn't have children because they wanted to wait till they had a more secure financial situation. Under the old rules, after all, age brought economic security for decent people.

"We wanted to wait till we could afford it, and now look -- I'm 39 last month."

And when she applied online for a job at Bojangles Famous Chicken 'n Biscuits early 2011, the application form required her to disclose her date of birth. Several big companies, including Target, Kroger and Home Depot, do the same thing. It's illegal to discriminate by age and to specify an age preference in a job ad, but it's not illegal to ask about age, though employment law experts say doing so does bear a whiff of discrimination.

Workers older than 55 are less likely to lose their jobs, but the average unemployed person older than 55 has been out of worker longer than a year. It's more like 10 months for the average jobless worker younger than 55.

Age discrimination is unbearably obvious to anyone over 50 who's been in the job market for more than a short time, but it's impossible to prove. You can't beat it. That's why it's a rule.

--Don't Be Unemployed

Employers openly discriminate against the unemployed in job postings on sites like craigslist and Monster every day. In 2010, after reporters asked, global phone manufacturer Sony Ericsson claimed its ad that said "NO UNEMPLOYED CANDIDATES WILL BE CONSIDERED AT ALL" was a mistake. The only mistake was that the ad betrayed one company's preference for workers who are wanted over ones who've been twisting the wind for too long.

It's not illegal to have such a rule, but in response to news stories about the phenomenon, state and federal lawmakers in the past year have tried to ban overt discrimination against the unemployed.

--Don't Pin Your Hopes On College

The unemployment rate for college grads is below 5 percent (what economists would call "full employment") and it never got much higher than that during the Great Recession. For high school dropouts, it's closer to 15 percent. So finishing college pays.

But this old rule's been bent. New college grads these days face a huge pile of debt and an unemployment rate near 10 percent, a sharp increase from 10 years ago. And among people who've been out of work 99 weeks or longer, a college degree doesn't mean anything. High school dropouts and grads were equally represented among the 1.4 million people out of work that long as of last October, according to the Congressional Research Service.

--Don't Expect To Make More Money At Your Next Job

Sure, nearly two years into the "recovery" the private sector had been adding jobs -- crappy ones. The National Employment Law Project, a worker advocacy group, reported in July 2011 that the non-so-great recovery was disproportionately adding low-wage jobs. Low-paying occupations saw growth of 3.2 percent from the beginning of 2010 to the beginning of 2011, while mid-wage jobs only grew by 1.2 percent. During the same time period, higher-wage jobs fell by 1.2 percent. In other words, there were more new jobs for retail salespeople, office clerks, cashiers and food prep workers than for machinists, managers, nurses and accountants.

The skewed job growth came after unbalanced job losses during the Great Recession."Of the net employment losses between the first quarter of 2008 and the first quarter of 2010," NELP said in its report, "fully 60 percent were in mid-wage occupations, 21.3 percent were in lower-wage occupations and 18.7 percent were in higher-wage occupations."

When I interviewed him in May 2011, Bob Poropatich of Pittsburgh had been working part-time as a barista after losing his job as a manager for a major clothing retailer in 2008. He said he'd been with his former company for six years and had 30 years of experience. He has a master's degree. He'd been making $65,000 a year; as a barista, he said he made about $180 a week.

I asked him if he'd done something wrong in his life or if he'd been falling backward by chance.

"This is random and pointless," Poropatich said. "I didn't choose to age. I didn’t choose to be 59. I didn’t choose to be laid off. Every decision was made by a higher power and an HR director."

Poropatich said that in the five job interviews he'd had, he'd tried to get around the rule against being old by promising his hiring wouldn't raise a company's insurance premiums. It hadn't worked.

"I said, 'By the way, I won’t be applying for health benefits and things like that since I already have my own coverage.' They say, 'Okay, thank you.' Nobody is impressed by it. I would think that’s the biggest thing."

He said the worst moment was when his former employer came to his coffee shop.

"My ex boss, the one who laid me off, came in and ordered a venti mocha," he said. "It didn’t faze him at all. I felt like I was two inches tall. I wanted to say, 'Excuse me,' and run into the bathroom."

The following month, Poropatich landed a second job stocking shelves at a grocery store. He earned more money, but he sounded more bitter.

"Together both jobs pay me not even close to a third of what I made when I had just one job," he said.

Despite his bitterness, Poropatich maintained a sense of humor.

"I live in the city of bridges so I'd have my choice of about 20 or 30," he said. "But I couldn't jump -- I can't swim!"

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09:13 AM on 09/08/2011
If you really want to know what's going on regarding human labor - http://scoop.it/t/cyberinternetics
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05:00 AM on 09/08/2011
"The world is changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air.
Much that once was is lost"
...Galadriel Lord of the Rings
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conchop
logic ethics quality
08:55 AM on 09/08/2011
So true.
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beerbagger
12-pack of genius
03:50 AM on 09/08/2011
For a while I had it all twisted... I played by the rules. I worked hard to go to college a touch later in life. I got my degree in 2007 and landed a job at the bottom. Even though I had 10 years previous experience and now a degree. Then the bottom started falling out in the economy. Bye bye job. Now I see the error in my ways. I went to college for grades & honors (3.9 GPA accounting) not fun and internships.

This post is very telling and very common. Trouble it most people that matter don't care about these stories... Each day another influential economist or policy person admits that it's really bad and they don't see it getting better. So now what...? Get dumb and numb? Or leave and abandon ship?

Seriously looking for any positive input.... outside of vote Dem / Rep. Work hard... blah blah Cause one they politicians can't fix this until their donors stop stuffing them full of cash not to. Two... I bust my hump being under-employed and sending out resumes already!
08:26 AM on 09/08/2011
The sad part is its only going to get worst... We are not in a recession ,ITS A DEPRESSION and the unployment is only going up.. The large international banks are in the same trouble they were in in 2008 and this time they will fall.... For those folks that are lucky enough to have large sums of money in them look out... FDIC is broke and there is no way they can stand behind the deposits...... AND WE HAVE AT LEAST 20 YEARS OF THIS
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12:33 PM on 09/09/2011
I agree completely. I might add that, in my opinion, we're not witnessing a Great Recession. We are witnessing the utter collapse of an unsustainable system. The economic system of Capitalism is uncaring, unresponsive, without morals, bloated, under regulated...etc, etc. The modern international corporation, when studied and compared to a person, (because our laws and leaders do see them as people), you find that they fail the DSM IV test for psychopathy. They lack empathy and emotional debt, they are unconcerned with the feelings or physical well being of others, they lie and are manipulative, they are irresponsible and show no concern for people or places that may be harmed by their actions, their behaviors are explicitly driven by a lust for the reward of profits, they show no remorse for their actions. I'm not saying that all businesses are bad or don't provide a valuable product or service. I'm saying that the overall MO of corporations over the last two centuries have pillaged and plundered with little concern for people under their employ, their surrounding environment, or any other member or form of society that does not provide a means or directly relate or contribute to their profit margin. We are seeing that system implode on itself. The aftermath of this implosion will be ugly and take many innocent victims down with it.
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heron77
Drive on the right
08:50 AM on 09/08/2011
Don't know what you degree is in, but the jobs market fluctuate and change depending on the economy. Is your skill in demand on the job market? It may be you will have to get new skills like in the medical field, now booming. A grandson with a HS degree got an entry level job in the Histology department. They are paying for an associate degree and when completed, they will move him up. Medical facilities are crying for help, from records keeping to medical techs like on CT scans.
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beerbagger
12-pack of genius
02:46 PM on 09/08/2011
actually accounting & marketing.

I did the accounting thing chasing the trending job market and while it's interesting and I do respect it, that's not my thing. I saw that once one goes down that path the options get kinda narrow and the work is somewhat repetitive. I couldn't see myself doing the same thing day in and day out just me and a computer screen for 30-40 years. I need to interact with humans. Took the best of both the accounting and marketing experience and education and worked in a marketing role for a finance company... It would be nice to pursue a career path that also fits with my strengths, capabilities with room to grow. Maybe I was too naive... or too idealistic? Either way this has been a tough lesson and a very bumpy start out of the gate.
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Richard in CO
01:33 AM on 09/08/2011
Chronicling and categorizing all the new hardships faced by American workers (or, would-be workers) does serve to let people blow off steam to each other....commiserate about the common plight.....but, neither that, nor anything we can expect from Washington, will have any positive effect on our conditions. Two, three years, is enough for all Unemployment to run out, food stamps to be refused, the last rejection letter to be received, the last marketable asset to be liquidated, etc. - bottom line: American workers are at the end of their ropes, and soon, despair will give way to desperation....which gives way to RAGE. It is only a matter of time, before widespread civil unrest occurs in this country. I am amazed that it has not happened yet. When it does begin, it will be as a prairie fire: a whiff of smoke, then minutes later, an all-consuming wall of fire sweeps across the prairie, at breathtaking speed.

In the U.S., watch for the day when the grocery store shelves begin to be stripped bare. The first half of the day will be panic buying, but by dusk, no one will be stopping to pay. THAT is when you know it has begun. Be cautious in all you do; we are headed for a big storm.
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Janet Anderson
independent andy
07:06 AM on 09/08/2011
Are you a Terminator fan? Unfortunately, I think you are right on topic. If and when the Republications take control..look out!!!! Doom is upon us. The rage will hopefully be directed at those responsible meaning wall street and big corporations. I feel sorry for all those who will suffer in the near future before the civil unrest begins and for those who will lose what little they have. After reading this excerpt I must read the whole book although I already hear and see the devastation of unemployment and home loss all around me. We are retired, empty nesters and although quite well off considering the plight of others we are concerned and worried about the future of this country. The American dream, as we lived it, is now gone for most including our children. The fear and hate mongering that has come to light lately is a side of the people that I never thought I would experience. This alone shows how desperate the people are becoming and how the tactic of turning one against their brother is a method to try to keep the people under control. I suppose that for now one could assume that it is working but as more and more people are affected it won't last. I guess that's a good thing. The ordinary American needs to come together and only through that can we win this war of classes and that is exactly what it is.
12:32 AM on 09/08/2011
The recession ended in 2009 just like the Iraq war ended in 2004. I guess we must be as stupid as they think we are since we keep filling our plates with their BS
12:15 AM on 09/08/2011
As someone who lost their livelihood to the Great Recession, I spent a year looking for a job and the last 2 underemployed. I have a Bachelor's Degree and 22 years in management, and there isn't jack for people at the mid to senior management level. Those are not the jobs being created. I just got a job (finally) but this is the first time in my life I haven't been able to make more and advance by changing a job, and is the first time in my life I haven't either been recruited or had calls immediately upon publishing my resume. Not tooting my own horn-there are a lot of folks out there like me or even much more accomplished than me who are in the same exact boat. It's horrendous in the job market for people at our skill level. I am so thrilled about my new job, but just terrified at the same time. What if it doesn't last? One more major economic blow, and my new employer could get cold feet and retract their growth ambitions. In addition, if things don't get better there just might not be any future business.

This is my view of the Great Recession. I want to hear if I'm alone in my concerns, but I don't think I am.

God, I miss Bill Clinton!
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JOHN SERINO
03:06 AM on 09/08/2011
I agree with you, we could have had another Clinton in
the White house with Bill by her side, but the left wing of
the Democratic party took this inept empty suit to lead
this country.
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beerbagger
12-pack of genius
03:59 AM on 09/08/2011
You are not alone and I seriously believe there are more of us than the media or politicians report. I got a late start in life... and my resume doesn't really tell the story of all that I overcame so that I could show up to this poo-storm. Now I can't even get a toe in the door. I wish to work... not just for the money (that's nice to pay bills) but to get my turn at bat too. I'm still fairly young in my mid-30's. That chance is not looking good. I don't seem to understand these new rules either...

Personally I don't care about politics anymore... neither party is interested in representing citizens and will do what ever their corporate sponsors want. So if Larry Flynt was in office and wanted to shoot hardcore in the Oval Office but could turn the economy around doing so... I could support that.
12:02 AM on 09/08/2011
Are we to believe that the "shovels" are "ready" this time? This is just more of the "unemployment insurance payments strengthen the economy" canard that Pelosi perpetrated.
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EddieRascal5
Fear is the mindkiller..
09:38 AM on 09/08/2011
Go away. What do you think happens with unemployment insurance? It gets retunred to the economy in very short order. Economy is money in motion.
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Obama is GoldmanSachs
11:05 PM on 09/07/2011
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kcinpa
Stop the insanity: PEOPLE before corporations!!!!!
10:11 PM on 09/07/2011
Maybe SOMEONE could help out with the bleak job outlook by not expecting her bloggers to work for free. Just sayin...
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Anym
Obama is GoldmanSachs
11:04 PM on 09/07/2011
Nobody is forcing them to write for this site. They can start their own blog.
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ThermoChemist
"Forewarned Is Forearmed"
09:54 PM on 09/07/2011
I was never without a job since high school, until I found myself unemployed for the first time(s) twice during the past decade; in Sep. 2001 and Mar. 2008. [victim of downsizing]

I can attest to what has been written in this article, with personal experience!

--Don't Pin Your Hopes On College

I was always told "Get a college degree. Doors will ALWAYS be open to you!".
THAT may have been true decades ago, but doesn't seem to hold as much relevance
these day (unless, perhaps, you're on Wall Street with your MBA).

Businesses appeared to NOT want to pay a living wage for someone with 20 years experience and a degree. They were looking to pay entry level wages.

Businesses (of those I interviewed with) did NOT want to hire someone, such as myself, because I was "over-qualified" (and THIS was for a job as simple as stocking shelves).

--Don't Expect To Make More Money At Your Next Job

Tell me about it!

In these economic times, I expected salaries posted for jobs to be less than what they were
in the past. Say 15%? 25%?

I'm currently making 50% LESS than what I was at my last full time job..! [in the Computer Science field]

Adding insult to injury, my car broke down one week before I started the new low-paying job.
So, now I'm stuck with a low paying job AND a car payment; all while utilities/food/gas go up!

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CMontalvo
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10:04 PM on 09/07/2011
Re: point 1, August's unemployment rate for those with bachelor's degrees was 4.3% vs. 9.1% overall. That suggests a bachelor's degree is still pretty darned important.

Re: point 2, when unemployment is high, the supply of labor is high relative to demand. But those who have kept their skills current through lifelong learning and moved their career focus to industries with a bright future can still expect on-going salary growth throughout their careers.

Sorry to hear that things haven't worked so well for you. Best of luck!
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Arts4u
It's better than a reality show.
11:12 PM on 09/07/2011
Republicans love it when salaries take a nose dive. What they aren't telling you is that they have remained relatively stagnant over the last thirty years even though the educational and skill set requirements have gone through the roof. Shame on you for suggesting that this person did not 'do his job'.
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Renifer
It's called The East India Trading Co. Party
01:23 AM on 09/09/2011
Point 2: Unemployment is high because productivity is at an all time high in this country, and corporations are given tax break incentives to send jobs overseas by Republicans. Corporate stooges like Alan Greenspan have kept interest rates artificially low so that workers would have "worker instability", meaning a fear of losing their job in favor of a lower wage worker in a foreign land. It's been rigged from the beginning, starting 30 years ago and peaking with the Bush admin's 8 million jobs lost, never to return. It's all out war on the middle class. Wake the hell up!
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99er2049er
Obama 2012 - Romney 2048
09:46 PM on 09/07/2011
I was told my entire life and I practiced this, if you work hard, including more hours than you are paid for, volunteer for extra tasks, do a great job, then you will be promoted and make more money. Job security no longer exists. I have had 2 companies sell out and then fire everyone. A couple more companies had problems during the recession and again lost a job.

The problem with losing your job is how long you remain unemployed, basically using up your life savings. Then companies don't want to hire you because you are unemployed, then when you finally land a job, it's usually for the same amount or much less than what you made before.

Luckily I recently broke this cycle and am making more than I did before, but that was the first time I was able to pull this off and that was only after taking a crappy job with a crappy company.
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GordonNYC
Not for Sale
09:57 PM on 09/07/2011
"I have had 2 companies sell out and then fire everyone."
NO nO nO. You worked for 2 companys that went broke. Hiring you didn't help.
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Renifer
It's called The East India Trading Co. Party
01:26 AM on 09/09/2011
GordonNYC,
How the hell do you know what happened?
You have no clue.
Speculation makes you look stupid.
Stop it.
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Jason Mason
The Debt is too Damn High!
09:43 PM on 09/07/2011
Not sure why you people are whining. I just bought a home that was close to a million last year for under 400k! I'm living the dream here! I should blame Obama for destroying the economy but hey I got a pool 6 acres, a vacant lot, hot tub over 6,000 square feet and I was able to pay cash for it! Thanks Obama! Sorry previous owner...but seriously this is sweet!
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beerbagger
12-pack of genius
04:08 AM on 09/08/2011
1st off it was never worth a million... turns out it was only what you claim to have paid and won't be gaining much value soon. Funny that the 6K acres came with a vacant lot too...
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Jason Mason
The Debt is too Damn High!
05:30 PM on 09/08/2011
The estate sits on 6 acres & I picked up a nice lot across the street the previous owner held onto. I'm happy with the deal.
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conchop
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09:02 AM on 09/08/2011
Rubbish.
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yankeeairpirate
Just Play Yer Guitar
09:33 PM on 09/07/2011
I'm a Federal employee currently making $80K/yr. My salary has currently been frozen for the next 2 years and I've got a bull's-eye on my chest for more salary reductions and benefit cuts. My companions and I keep the government running. We don't have anything to do with the malfeasance in WDC, nor do we care. We just want to retire under the terms we hired on to.

I retire in 8 1/2 years. I'll be 67 years old then. I'll be lucky if I garner $1600 a month from my retirement and another $1200 from Social Security if the Republican terrorists leave it alone. I don't want to go to work at WalMart as a part-time greeter or work at Burger King. I still have to pay taxes on my house and utilities every month. Not to mention, maybe leaving something for my children when I die besides a tax bill.

I worked for the past 40 years, served in the VietNam conflict and deserve to retire in dignity, not dumpster-diving for peanut butter that's out of date behind the local Price Chopper. I think I'm owed something more from today's crop of politicians beside this partisan BS. They used to work for "we the people", but today, I don't think so.

Time to "cross the streams" according to the Ghostbusters.
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99er2049er
Obama 2012 - Romney 2048
09:48 PM on 09/07/2011
According to the republicans, there should be no government, basically we are all to fend for ourselves, including expecting our neighbors to rebuild our houses after a disaster. Republicans love this model because they can suck out more wealth for the wealthy.
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Renifer
It's called The East India Trading Co. Party
01:33 AM on 09/09/2011
They want to turn our once prosperous nation into Somalia, a place with no gov't, save for the military and no laws. It's a shithole where the ocean is so polluted that they have had to resort to piracy to make a living with their boats that they once fished with.
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heron77
Drive on the right
09:19 PM on 09/07/2011
To the unemployed, it doesn't make any difference what the economists call it. But most unemployed were working on Main Street, not businesses listed on Wall Street. But the definition for a recession or depression is based on Wall Street and the markets. There is no measure for Main Street except a relative measure based on the unemployed.

And Wall Street is where the government has focused with its bailouts and loans, And the dynamics of Wall Street are different. Most Wall Street businesses are global while the Main Street are based on consumer spending. Look in any telephone book at the Yellow Pages in any city in the US. That is Main street and those are the businesses hurting.

To help the unemployed, consumer confidence must return as well as spending. To do that the federal financial crisis must be dealt with. And that means lowering the debt and focusing on a balanced budget. Jobs will follow as the economy improves.
01:41 PM on 09/08/2011
You have mastered the art of double speak.
12:45 AM on 09/14/2011
Lowering the debt and job growth are completely separate issues, and a "balanced budget" is another way of saying get rid of all government programs like medicare.

Real job growth won't happen without government stimulus, tax hikes on the wealthy, and tarrifs on imports so the manufacturing sector can be rebuilt. None of this will happen with Republicans having any active role. Republicans also opposed all of FDR's programs which got us out of the depression, so history repeats itself.
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09:03 AM on 09/14/2011
Lowering the debt and job growth are related, because decreasing debt spurs the economy which then leads to job growth. Your separating the issues is like saying planting tomato seed and picking tomatoes are completely separate issues. You have to do one to get the other.

Real job growth occurs in the private sector and depends on demand for products and services. Government can tweak the system as the Federal Reserve sometimes does by lowering interest rates, but that works only when there is a demand and businesses borrow to expand. With the present sick economy with no demand, there are no incentives for businesses to hire or expand, so the jobs tax credit is smoke and mirrors. No business will hire unneeded workers to sit around doing nothing just to get a puny jobs credit. That is kinda like the government giving a 500.00 incentive to buy a Chevy Volt. Will you spend 40,000.00 for Volt just to get a 500.00 credit?

FDR's programs were a temporary help for the unemployed that gave them low paying jobs. WWII intervened and most went from WPA jobs directly into the military.

You seem to think the government is the Wizard of Oz for jobs, but this is a capitalist nation and the private sector is the place for jobs creation.

We can recover by tightening our belts, pay on the debt and reduce government spending. That will stabilize the finances and give consumers confidence to start spending again.
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And I'd opt out of 'fans' too if I could.
09:09 PM on 09/07/2011
If you think that anyone in the prior administration, or this one, really gives two cents about you, think again.

Their bosses on Wall Street have spoken, ordered up their wars, blew the biggest bubble in history, and paid congress to look the other way while they ripped us off--first with inflated prices of homes, second with predatory lending schemes, third with the bail out, and fourth, right now as they foreclose and make more of the same derivatives that crashed the world's economy.

And here's the deal--if people like us are smart enough to see through it, don't you think they have people in DC who could too? So the question becomes, why aren't they doing anything to help us?

And the answer is because they're not done milking us dry yet.
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Marci Economidis
my job-creator already has a maid
09:17 PM on 09/07/2011
Amen. fanned and faved.
01:43 PM on 09/08/2011
I concur with this assessment.