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Libya: Estimated 30,000 Died In War; 4,000 Still Missing

Libya War Died

By KARIN LAUB   09/ 8/11 03:49 AM ET   AP

TRIPOLI, Libya -- At least 30,000 people were killed and 50,000 wounded in Libya's six-month civil war, the interim health minister said, offering a first detailed estimate of the high cost in lives of bringing down Moammar Gadhafi.

There have been rough estimates in the past, but Naji Barakat, the health minister in the new Libyan leadership, said his figures are based, in part, on reporting from hospitals, local officials and former rebel commanders.

Barakat said he'll only have a complete count in several weeks, but that he expects the final figure for dead and wounded to be higher than his current estimates. Libya has a population of just over 6 million.

At least 4,000 people are still missing, either presumed dead or held prisoner in remaining Gadhafi strongholds, including his hometown of Sirte, Barakat told The Associated Press on Wednesday. Others killed in fighting were hastily buried, and are now being exhumed for identification.

Search teams also continue to find secret graves of detainees killed by retreating Gadhafi forces.

Just this week, they dug up more bodies in one area of the Libyan capital Tripoli and two other towns.

Next week, worshippers will be asked to report the dead and missing in their families to the local mosques, said Barakat, in an attempt to get a more detailed figure.

Of the estimated 30,000 dead, about half are believed to have been Gadhafi's fighters, Barakat said.

He said he was told by Libya's new military officials that the Khamis Brigade, commanded by Gadhafi's son Khamis and a core force in Gadhafi's army, lost about 9,000 troops.

One of the hardest hit areas was the port city of Misrata, Libya's third largest, where former rebels and Gadhafi regime forces fought for two months, ending with the retreat of badly battered Gadhafi troops.

At least 2,000 former rebel fighters and civilians were killed in Misrata and thousands more were wounded, including 900 who lost limbs, Barakat said, citing new figures from the Misrata local council.

Reporting is incomplete for the western areas of the country that remained under Gadhafi's control until close to the end of the fighting, including the capital of Tripoli, Barakat said.

For example, little is known about the number of people killed during a brutal crackdown on mass opposition protests in the spring in those areas, he said.

The former rebels entered Tripoli on Aug. 21, but only took control after a week of fierce street battles.

Barakat said that at least 1,700 former rebel fighters died in the battle for Tripoli, along with about 100 civilians.

The number of war wounded is currently estimated to be at least 50,000, including some 20,000 with serious injuries, but is expected to rise, Barakat said.

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08:17 AM on 09/24/2011
British Prime Minister David Cameron told the world that NATO's sole intention in intervening in the Libyan conflict was to 'protect civilians', this will surely go down as one of the biggest lies in world history.
08:30 PM on 09/09/2011
So who is capable of explaining how is it that a "Humanitarian War" is adding up to 30.000 dead and 50.000 wounded? Is one person, Gadaffi, worth the lost lives and a destroyed country?
Too many lies by the media!
11:14 PM on 09/08/2011
People die in war and armed conflict. Why is this surprising to people?
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11:07 PM on 09/08/2011
Qaddafi is going to have a lot to answer for when he is finally captured and brought to trial.

He murdered 1300 political prisoner in one night. That was a bit nasty. Their families still do not know where they were buried.

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2006/06/27/libya-june-1996-killings-abu-salim-prison

There there is the very credible charge that his political police rounded up and murdered thousands, possibly 10,000 Libyans, over the last seven months.

This, of course, is only a fraction of the holocaust inflicted on Libya by this whacked Cult of Personality dictator.
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GravitonX
10^300 bosons could care less.
10:19 PM on 09/08/2011
You can be sure that this number does not include the true number of pro-Gaddafi killed or to be killed.
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10:47 PM on 09/08/2011
No doubt nobody will find all the unmarked graves of those slaughtered by Qaddafi's secret police over the last six months.

Probably in the thousands.
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realitycitizen
Proud American, Proud Gentile
12:53 AM on 09/09/2011
That's not true.

But if it was true, at least they bury the bodies and don't use them as hood ornaments.

http://www.mentalzero.com/Libyan-Mercenaries-Show-off-Dead-Troops-As-Trophies-3322.html
08:32 PM on 09/08/2011
We can thank the U.S. Military and Obama for this war and all the deaths. I have never seen a democratic president more eager for more wars.
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realitycitizen
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08:51 PM on 09/08/2011
JFK and LBJ were also war mongers. They always turn out to be war mongers.

At least US Central Command (including Libya) General James Mattis is honest about what its all about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkXtWwNDSdA
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10:50 PM on 09/08/2011
A republican Qaddafinista.

Lots of fun.
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09:09 PM on 09/08/2011
What utter drivel.

Qaddafi has been a brutal dictator for 42 years.

In 1996 his brother-in-law, who was the warden at the notorious death mill of a prison abu Salim responded to the protests of the political prisoners there by shooting 1300 of them to death. In one night. Nobody knows where they are buried.

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2006/06/27/libya-june-1996-killings-abu-salim-prison

Early this year, in response to the Arab Spring to the east and west of Libya, the people of Benghazi, whose families disproportionally lost their men to that massacre, began to demonstrate demanding an accounting for the loss of those family members.

Qaddafi's reaction was to mow them down with tanks and promise to murder 10,000 "rats" in Benghazi.

it was this intemperate act that is responsible for this war and all the deaths.

The fact is that "this war" has been running for 40 years. Libyans have been rejecting Qaddafi since he stole power. Going forward they have a chance.
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realitycitizen
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09:27 PM on 09/08/2011
No credible evidence is ever presented in the so called report. Spam really. It's he said she said, and the he is a Jihadi with an agenda.

And we all know that Jihadis are cowards. That number would have never gone up to 10,000. They would have scattered after the first salvo, and fallen back on their usual tactics of suicide bombings and terror.
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GravitonX
10^300 bosons could care less.
10:18 PM on 09/08/2011
So, in 42 years, you can only point to 1300? That's what? 30 or so people a year. You are serious or just prone to hyperbole?
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06:27 PM on 09/08/2011
I thought this was to protect the civilians ? how come 30,000 people ended up dying ? Sounds like the rebels and NATO went on a killing spree for everyone that supported Gadaffi..that is both civilians and military personnel. Remember the thousands of civilians that gathered in green square in support of Gadaffi which totally went un-reported in the MSM ? where are those Libyans now ? Massacred ?
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07:12 PM on 09/08/2011
How many do you think would have been killed, had Gaddafi's forces been free to continue their reign of terror and pillaging?
Those people were killed by YOUR HERO, Gaddafi, when he shelled cities with artillery fire, and herded people into his prison camps! Your hero has a long history of these deeds! I hope you are proud of him!

For the of so fabulous pro-Gaddafi Rallies, while therewas genuine support, especially from areas and tribes favored by Gaddafi, other people were bribed and pressed into it, or participated not to arouse suspision. Read some books about the third Reich to get an idea how these things work.

For god's sake, people on the net always scream that the oppressed should rise against their governments. Now finally some people do so, and suddenly everybody is in favor of the dictator! Times like these make me ashamed to be a life-long leftist!
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GravitonX
10^300 bosons could care less.
10:22 PM on 09/08/2011
That's because you are not nor have ever been a Leftist. Gaddafi is well-regarded by Leftists for his Socialist miracle in Libya.
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08:37 PM on 09/08/2011
Oh, is that what it sounds like?

How many of those were killed by Qaddafi in Misrata?

Oh, those don't count. Right.

As for your last tendentious question, I would expect that they are out and about, because most of them were there at that rally under threat by the secret police.
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05:36 PM on 09/08/2011
The international media has failed us miserably if these numbers are anywhere close to accurate.

Presumably a large number of these would have to be within the Rebel forces (poorly armed) or civilians in cities that changed hands multiple times, but news agencies had reporters embedded with Rebels throughout the conflict and reported from many such places. Naturally, I don't expect the reporters that were basically locked up in Tripoli to have been able to make any subjective or objective reports, but that doesn't excuse those out in the field.

Surely some had at least hints from some officials that numbers were far higher than what Rebel leaders were telling them daily? I can't see why they wouldn't have wanted to give accurate reports of casualties among their fighters and civilians alike.

Even if that is all to be believed as-was when reported, then we're left with the likelihood that most of the casualties were in cities that remained under loyalist control the longest (as no one would have been there to report the actual situation on the ground), and the more "real" numbers would have been those reported by state media. That's equally as insulting to the media as being blind in the field.
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06:32 PM on 09/08/2011
Which reporters were "out in the field"? All reporters in all Qaddafi held territory were utterly controlled by Qaddafi. They had almost no chance of seeing anything that Qaddafi did not want for them to see.

And when did the "Rebel Leaders" tell anyone what the nation-wide mortality rate was? How would they be in a position to know? They certainly had a lot to say about the fight in Misrata.

So how do you come to the conclusion that the Rebels DID NOT give a reasonably accurate report on the mortality at their lines and behind them?

The conclusion that I take away from this report is that NATO did a pretty good job of blasting Qaddafi's military to bits. Which was pretty much what I was seeing in the MSM.
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GravitonX
10^300 bosons could care less.
10:24 PM on 09/08/2011
They were essentially fed "information" by the rebels. Did you see how they rushed to every ridiculous supposed sighting of Gaddafi?
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04:45 PM on 09/08/2011
"An estimated 50,000 people have been killed in Libya since the start of the uprising against Muammar Gaddafi's rule, according to the rebels' military leadership."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/rebel-leaders-put-libya-death-toll-at-50000-2346590.html

The scale of the disaster is apparently in question. Certainly it is immense. This is obviously not what the UN had in mind when they authorized a no-fly zone. NATO can not possibly justify this. The unsubstantiated and heavily over-hyped allegations against Gaddafi pale by comparison.
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06:33 PM on 09/08/2011
The UN did not authorize a No Fly Zone, you only think it did.

You should read the resolution.
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Paperless Tiger
07:07 PM on 09/08/2011
"Security Council Approves ‘No-Fly Zone’ over Libya"

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/sc10200.doc.htm
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08:10 PM on 09/08/2011
Here's the section that explicitly authorizes the No-Fly Zone, just so nobody else has to look it up:

“No-fly zone

“6. Decides to establish a ban on all flights in the airspace of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya in order to help protect civilians;

“7. Decides further that the ban imposed by paragraph 6 shall not apply to flights whose sole purpose is humanitarian, such as delivering or facilitating the delivery of assistance, including medical supplies, food, humanitarian workers and related assistance, or evacuating foreign nationals from the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, nor shall it apply to flights authorised by paragraphs 4 or 8, nor other flights which are deemed necessary by States acting under the authorization conferred in paragraph 8 to be for the benefit of the Libyan people, and that these flights shall be coordinated with any mechanism established under paragraph 8;
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Andromedos
07:13 PM on 09/08/2011
So, Misrata then was not besieged and sheleld by artillery? Was Gaddafi only dropping candy on the city?
Do you even know the effects of artillery fire on a densely populated urban area? Have you ever seen pictures of Leningrad or Stalingrad?
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08:34 PM on 09/08/2011
With cluster bombs.
shylove2
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04:00 PM on 09/08/2011
I did hear of a Catholic relief agency in one city complaining that our bombing was producing excessive civilian casualties in siding with one side of a civil war. Doing that makes the civil war more deadly for both sides and hardly has anything to do with reducing civilian casualties... it seems more like spoils of oil fever to me...
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03:56 PM on 09/08/2011
My apologies to the people on this thread I would have faved or fanned this morning, but I couldn't get on even to do that. Are the moderators screening faves and fans now?
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05:58 PM on 09/08/2011
Comments went down for a while.
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MikeDu
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03:17 PM on 09/08/2011
Isn't 30,00 dead roughly *half to a third* the total war dead from the 8 years of the Iraq war... according to 'highly reliable' Pentagon numbers? Apparently the US military is less efficient at their job than they let on.
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06:34 PM on 09/08/2011
What a stupid and callous comment.
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09:02 PM on 09/08/2011
Oh, god. Youtube. The final word in credible journalism.
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sophie M
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03:16 PM on 09/08/2011
at least NATO did not bomb the hospitals.
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sophie M
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03:11 PM on 09/08/2011
50k wounded and where were they taken to :
a hospital? Gadaffi had hospitals there?
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02:48 PM on 09/08/2011
When they get hold of Gaddafi and his cohorts the need to string them up by their co-jones and allow the people to kill them by their bare hands for being responsible. How dare an individual think they are so important that they will kill so many to hold onto power.