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Roy Roberts, Arne Duncan Questioned About Detroit School Reforms

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First Posted: 09/08/11 02:32 PM ET Updated: 11/08/11 05:12 AM ET

DETROIT -- U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan gave the Motor City a homework assignment Thursday.

"Can Detroit become the fastest-improving urban district in the country?" Duncan asked Detroiters packed into the auditorium of the Charles H. Wright Academy of Arts and Sciences. "I see no reason why that can't happen."

It was a challenge, and a less scathing message than the one Duncan gave during his last visit here, in 2009. Duncan admitted branding the city as "ground zero" for education reform, may have angered Detroiters.

"I was a little bit tough," he said. "Two years later, I couldn't be more hopeful and optimistic about Detroit."

Duncan's emphasis on turning around the Detroit district is echoed in the sentiment that pervades the schools here.

"If we can do it in Detroit, then we can do it anywhere in America," said Michael Brennan, president of United Way for Southeast Michigan.

Detroit's schools are depressed. The district is hundreds of millions of dollars in debt and faces a mounting enrollment crisis. This year's first day of school saw a 55 percent attendance rate.

A recovery in Detroit would be encouraging for school districts nationwide. But for that to happen, recent reform measures, such as the creation of a special state-run district to manage Michigan's lowest-performing schools, must bear fruit.

Duncan was passing through Detroit on the second day of his back-to-school bus tour.

After a relatively tranquil Wednesday that included stops in Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Toledo and highlighted collaboration between teachers' unions and school districts, the Detroit panel featured unrest from some audience members and far more questions than could be answered in the time allowed.

But most of the ire was directed at local leaders, not Duncan.

"Let us not go back to Brown vs. Board of Ed where we're willing to make an investment in one group of students and tell another group of students, 'Oh well, survive as you can,'" said Detroit Federation of Teachers President Keith Johnson, who sat on the panel.

Johnson was referring to that state-run district, the latest education reform measure introduced in Michigan. The Educational Achievement System, announced in June, will govern 5 percent of the state's persistently lowest-performing schools, pushing more resources into failing classrooms. After a year of planning, the program is slated to pilot in 30 to 40 Detroit schools before expanding statewide.

Two weeks ago, the EAS board hired away Kansas City, Mo., schools superintendent John Covington to serve as chancellor of the experimental district. Critics say the move puts Detroit's worst schools in the hands of an administrator who left his city abruptly amid of allegations of betrayal and an inflated performance record.

Covington told The Huffington Post that he could not make Thursday's event in Detroit due to a family-related scheduling conflict.

At the panel, Detroit School Board member Lamar Lemmons noted that the district's debt has only increased under state-appointed administrators' watch. He also criticized the EAS.

"The district, under the state's stewardship, have quadrupled the percentage of failing schools," he said. "The only students that will be in that system are the ones that the emergency manager fails in his capacity as emergency manager."

Former Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm (D) first appointed an emergency financial manager for Detroit Public Schools in 2009. Under Gov. Rick Snyder (R), the manager's powers have expanded beyond balancing the budget to include managing individual schools.

DPS Emergency Manager Roy Roberts -- who has near carte blanche over the schools and is currently being sued by the teachers' union -- maintained that the EAS is a fair and effective reform measure. In addition to his role in DPS, Roberts will chair the executive committee of the EAS.

"We're admitting that these are repeatedly low-performing schools, the bottom 5 percent in the state of Michigan," he said. "We want to make sure we call those out and put the support behind those schools that are so sorely needed."

Lemmons criticized Roberts' dual roles, asking whether his leadership of both DPS and the EAS is a conflict of interest, since failing DPS schools will eventually end up in the EAS. To much applause, Lemmons also asked who will foot Roberts' bill -- local or state residents -- when it comes to items like a recently purchased SUV.

Roberts did not address the car purchase, but did say, "I feel a real responsibility for every child in the city of Detroit -- I don't care what school they go to."

Later in the discussion, Snyder, who helped design the EAS, said there was "no point in wasting time on blame."

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DETROIT -- U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan gave the Motor City a homework assignment Thursday. "Can Detroit become the fastest-improving urban district in the country?" Duncan asked Detroit...
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02:47 PM on 09/14/2011
Detroit has been a struggling metropolis for some time. The schools are only one part of the overall issue that Detroit is facing. Hundreds of millions of dollars in debt? For just a school district? I smell decrepit management skills and most likely corruption on a scale we haven't even begun to imagine yet. I'm currently working towards my Master's of Education online at this site: http://www.cu-portland.edu/ and as a future teacher, I have no particular interest in working in such a failed district.
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08:42 AM on 09/12/2011
DPS is like Washington right now. No one really cares about educating our kids; they're all too busy making back room deals to earn a profit off of them. And the educators who really do care don't have (nor are they given) the power to really make the necessary changes. The many I've spoken with express a great deal of frustration at being in a system which seems designed to fail these students; One that is more focused on bureaucracy than producing or improving student learning or achievement. “At this point it’s all a matter of playing the politics”, one High school Principal told me, at that’s just to keep your job. Some administrators are basically asked to operate their schools with a MacGyver style budget; with duct tape, chewing gum and their own creative wit. In the meanwhile people at the top are getting paid and students are sadly, falling through the gaping holes. Absolutely none of this is helping our kids.
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02:03 PM on 09/10/2011
I'm sure that Duncan is optimistic that Detroit is ripe for money-making educational-ish businesses that can scoop up some combination of gummint funding and private payments. It may or may not do the students any good, but it will be a golden opportunity for people who see education as an unmilked cash cow.
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10:06 AM on 09/10/2011
question:
Just how much optimism does it take before actual, meaningful chage occurs?
I'm just askin'.
06:01 PM on 09/10/2011
Optimism doesn't breed change, meaningful or otherwise.
12:39 PM on 09/09/2011
As someone who worked in Kansas City through Teach For America, I have to say that Michigan really got a heaping of our garbage in the hiring of John Covington.

The man is another fool from the Broad Superintendents' Academy who hasn't a clue how to run a successful district. He is interested primarily in having a position of power (just talk to him sometime if you want to see what I mean), earning a large paycheck, and pushing political trend-of-the-day reforms that will probably be discredited within the next ten years (well, many of them are discredited right now, but non-educator "reformers" continue to push them).

With that said, the root of the problems in many urban districts is the anti-education mindsets and attitudes of the students and parents. I'm tired of hearing about how schools are failing these people, because the truth is that they're often failing themselves. Little will change until parents start parenting properly and sending students to school who behave well, exercise self-control, desire to do well in school, and don't give up the moment something becomes difficult.
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02:46 PM on 09/09/2011
". . . With that said, the root of the problems in many urban districts is the anti-educa­tion mindsets and attitudes of the students and parents . . ."

So the problem with our public schools is the public?

You're like the failed store owner alleging that the problem is the stupid customers.

To borrow a phrase from the LGBTQ community: We're here -- we're queer -- get used to it.
03:56 PM on 09/09/2011
What are you saying? We are here, we don't care about education, get used to it. Try thinking before you type next time.
04:11 PM on 09/09/2011
"So the problem with our public schools is the public?"

Not the whole problem, but yeah. Are you suggesting people can't make better choices to enhance the quality of their kid's education? Like actually send them to school, for example?
03:38 PM on 09/09/2011
I agree progress has to start at home. However, parents don't become capble parents solely by virtue of having children. Those raised in ignorance tend to parent with ignorance. So what we are seeing in Detroit and similar places is a cycle of pathology that has become multi-generational.

It's easy to think parents ought to know better, because generally speaking, they should. However, at the end of the day people only know what they actually know and the expectations of others are mostly meaningless.

The focus of our educational system has always been on the kids, which is natural. However, in places like Detroit, I really think there needs to be some comprehensive component geared towards educating or re-educating parents as well.
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poeticjustice4all
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03:54 PM on 09/09/2011
" . . . progress has to start at home . . ." Yes, yours.
10:52 AM on 09/09/2011
Until you change the mentality of the community nothing will change. The Detroit community doesn't value education. The parents don't care so neither will the kids.
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poeticjustice4all
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03:33 PM on 09/09/2011
Why can't you change your "mentality?" Why is it always on somebody else to change? The whole world has not gone crazy and left you standing alone as a beacon of rational thought.
03:58 PM on 09/09/2011
My mentality is fine. I believe in the importance of education. But, if you advocate for the community of Detroit to continue to put little to no importance on education, I must question your mentality. Why do you want an entire community to remain uneducated? What is your agenda?
09:05 AM on 09/09/2011
I'm sorry, what is there to be optimistic about when barely over half of your young people visit school on the first day...
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poeticjustice4all
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04:22 PM on 09/09/2011
" . . . there would be no lynching if it did not start in the schoolroom."

-- Carter G. Woodson
10:06 PM on 09/14/2011
People were lynching one another before schoolrooms were even dreamed of.
07:16 AM on 09/09/2011
actually the other 45% are home learning from a parent, they are learning how to go on welfare, food stamps, get what ever society will give them for free.
08:15 AM on 09/09/2011
I went to med school in Detroit.Children there have very little chance,regardless of their intellect or drive. It's one of the reasons I'm so in favor of charters.The Dem philosophy is destroying generations.Had I been born into that system, I'd hav failed,too
12:27 PM on 09/09/2011
I taught in Kansas City through Teach For America (during the time John Covington was there, who I might add was a terrible superintendent), and the charter schools in the city generally performed no better than the public schools. There are often a few good ones here and there, but most are really quite terrible.
03:20 PM on 09/09/2011
I think it's unnecessary, and even a bit unfair, to paint everyone with that particular brush, project cooper.

I won't pretend to know what it's like, but there are a lot of dynamics working against people in Detroit these days, especially kids. Somehow, I don't think the crux of the problem is large swaths of people growing comfortable on welfare and so-called freebies. Clearly there is plenty of brokeness there, as there is in a number of places around the the country, but let's not given in to the impulse to sterotype.
07:45 PM on 09/09/2011
Oh, so now u do not think that painting everyone with that brush is the right thing to do.
11:33 PM on 09/08/2011
I think more than 55% of students actually did show up. The problem is school records aren't keeping pace with the rate of people who are leaving Detroit in droves.
02:27 PM on 09/09/2011
I think you are wrong. Look at the graduation rates in the city. They are horrific. 55% on the first day. Can you imagine how low the numbers will be by the end of the year.
03:01 PM on 09/09/2011
Lol, I guess I should have made it clearer that my comment was with tongue planted firmly in cheek.
10:25 PM on 09/08/2011
Tie welfare to school attendance.
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poeticjustice4all
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11:38 PM on 09/08/2011
Corporations don't go to school.
11:47 PM on 09/08/2011
Neither do kids in Detroit
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09:51 PM on 09/08/2011
Detroit has many gifts and no shortage of terrific people. Sadly thought as the Huffington Post reported this last May According to estimates by The National Institute for Literacy, roughly 47 percent of adults in Detroit, Michigan -- 200,000 total -- are "functionally illiterate," meaning they have trouble with reading, speaking, writing and computational skills.I think this is a national 911. In my own work to advocate for lowering risks for human health and the environment-the most basic of skills for prevention is reading. This situation is heart breaking.

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07:44 PM on 09/08/2011
My best wishes are with any parent trying to raise and educate a child in a place like that. My goodness! That is an uphill battle!
05:54 PM on 09/08/2011
55% attendance…can we stop blaming teachers now?
06:16 PM on 09/08/2011
You don't get it. In the "reformers" eyes, that's the teachers' fault.
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poeticjustice4all
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06:45 PM on 09/08/2011
Good point! Teacher attendance was very high the first day!
11:48 PM on 09/08/2011
The other 45 % are still trying to get into a charter
05:48 PM on 09/08/2011
Arne Duncan doesn't know enough about education to answer questions about it, though he's probably about on a par with Roy Roberts. Neither of them is going to fix anything. Both have made things worse.

But if you want to know the real reason Detroit's schools are "failing," you might look at the fact that barely more than half the students' parents felt it was important enough to get their kids to school on the first day of classes. Detroit's schools aren't failing. They're just located in failing communities.
12:31 PM on 09/09/2011
For some reason, it seems no education leaders ever blame students or parents. That's unfortunate, because their attitudes and beliefs towards education are at the root of many of the district's problems (except for the inept politicians that fail to run the district properly).
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05:46 PM on 09/08/2011
Everyone on the face of the earth knows that every, absolutely every educational "leader" is "optimisic" about abosultely every reform.

That is until it fails and another one comes along.
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11:34 PM on 09/08/2011
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well said
they never admit that they were wrong, misguided, or that it backfired. They will never appoligize to the people who they hurt with their "reforms". Today, the idea was batted around can we use the results from the scores to improve ourselves? Not really because making sense of the scores and what they mean is really a mystery. The student has poor comprehension of mathematics computation.... great. But, I am not supposed to make them memorize or drill and kill them. So, how then do I get them to memorize the facts? Maybe I could improve if they said. This student can add and multiply but cannot subtract or divide?