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Elections 2012: Florida Set For Big Role In GOP Primary

Gop Presidential Race

CHARLES BABINGTON   09/10/11 01:37 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — Take a breather, Iowa and New Hampshire.

Florida is about to get into the Republican presidential race big time, starting with a televised debate Monday in Tampa and ending with an early primary in 2012 that conceivably could wrap up the nomination.

It's quite plausible that front-runners Rick Perry and Mitt Romney could roughly divide the first four contests, in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina. If that happens, Florida could prove the virtual tie-breaker, a prize so big in a state so central to presidential elections that the loser might struggle to stay afloat.

"My guess is that Florida is going to be the big kahuna," said Brad Coker, a Florida-based pollster for Mason-Dixon who conducts surveys nationwide. Florida is much larger, diverse and expensive than the other four early-voting states, he said, and so it rewards the type of campaigning a Republican must do around the country to oust President Barack Obama in November 2012.

Of course, events over the next few months could upend that scenario. Perry, the Texas governor, or Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, might stumble. Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann could revive her struggling campaign. Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman might catch fire. A new candidate, such as former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, might jump in.

Then there's the scheduling of those caucuses and primaries, which isn't set.

For now, campaign strategists assume Florida will be the fifth contest, as early as Jan. 31, and the first in a big state.

Florida Republicans don't follow presidential politics as intensely as do GOP activists in Iowa and New Hampshire. Nor do they expect one-on-one encounters with candidates.

When the nominating process rolls into Florida, "the days of the house parties are behind you," said Phil Musser, a former director of the Republican Governors Association and a frequent consultant in the state.

In the next two weeks, Florida Republicans will get ample attention, beginning with Monday night's two-hour debate sponsored by CNN and the Tea Party Express.

The forum will include the eight contenders who debated last week in California, where Perry made his national debut. Romney is almost certain to renew his criticisms of Perry for calling Social Security's funding structure "a Ponzi scheme."

The candidates also will have their first collective chance to dissect the jobs proposal that Obama outlined Thursday.

The Orlando debate starts off the three-day "Presidency 5" event where thousands of Florida Republicans will mingle, hear speeches and vote in a presidential straw poll.

Will Weatherford, incoming speaker of the Florida House, said many party donors and activists are on the sidelines for now, but the big weekend will give them a good long look at the contenders. "A lot of people will choose sides after that," he said.

In the last two competitive GOP primaries, Florida joined South Carolina to form a one-two Southern punch that essentially resolved disagreements in Iowa and New Hampshire.

In 2008, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee won in Iowa, but quickly faltered. Arizona Sen. John McCain captured the New Hampshire and South Carolina primaries, and then eliminated all doubt in Florida by beating Romney and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

Giuliani was embarrassed after pouring nearly all his money and hopes into Florida. The lesson, campaign strategists say, is that a candidate must build momentum in Iowa or New Hampshire to gain credibility in Florida.

Florida was even crueler to Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who took 3 percent of the 2008 primary vote. Paul is running for president again.

In 2000, McCain carried New Hampshire after Texas Gov. George W. Bush won in Iowa. Bush overtook McCain in a brutal South Carolina contest, then crushed McCain in Florida and went on to win the presidency.

In the 2012 election's early and highly speculative stages, strategists see Iowa and South Carolina as potentially good fits for Perry, while Romney could do well in New Hampshire and Nevada.

Under that scenario, Florida "has the real chance to be the decider," Musser said. For now, he said, "it's very wide open."

Florida has large numbers of every type of Republican voter. They are spread hundreds of miles apart, in expensive media markets.

Unlike the other early-voting states, Florida's primary is open only to people who have been registered as Republicans for many weeks, barring independents from influencing the nomination.

"There's no question that the Republican base in Florida is very conservative," said Todd Harris, a veteran strategist aligned with the state's GOP senator, Marco Rubio. "But they are not nearly as uniform in ideology as the base in South Carolina or Iowa caucus-goers."

"Perry will feel at home, culturally and politically, in the Panhandle," Harris said. "Romney will probably do better in the critical Interstate 4 corridor," which is perhaps the state's most diverse and up-for-grabs region. It runs from Daytona Beach through Orlando and to Tampa.

Many other GOP constituencies also must be catered to. They include Cuban-Americans in Miami, Midwestern retirees on the Gulf coast, and New York retirees on the south Atlantic coast.

"We have the social, economic and racial diversity that some of the other early primary states don't have," Weatherford said. It forces candidates to spend more, travel more and stretch themselves in new ways, he said.

"You can't use the same speech in Dade County that you use in the Panhandle," Weatherford said. Miami is the largest city in that county.

Some Republicans think Perry may have hurt himself among Florida's retirees with his sharp criticisms of Social Security. Others, however, note that Rubio has included Social Security among programs that were "crafted without any thought as to how they will be funded in future years."

"Because it weakened our people and didn't take (into) account the simple math of not being able to spend more money than you have, it was destined to fail" and must be revised, Rubio said last month.

Coker said Rubio might catch less heat for such remarks because Floridians see him as deliberate and intellectual. Perry, he said, "was like a bull in a china shop."

"If you want to talk Social Security in Florida," Coker said, "you must talk softly."

He said it's too early to handicap the Florida primary, but Romney has a head start organizationally because of his efforts in 2008.

Party insiders say former Gov. Jeb Bush, whose father and brother were presidents, remains highly popular among Florida Republicans. His family in Texas reportedly has chilly relations with Perry, fueling speculation that Jeb Bush might endorse Romney.

Weatherford doubts it will happen. "He wants people to earn it," he said.

Rubio, the 40-year-old senator with strong ties to Cuban-Americans, tea partyers and others, also could deliver a helpful endorsement, but party activists don't think he will.

Whoever wins the GOP nomination might strongly consider Rubio as a running mate. He could help carry a state that repeatedly proves crucial in presidential elections, and one the GOP desperately wants to wrest from Obama next year.

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WASHINGTON — Take a breather, Iowa and New Hampshire. Florida is about to get into the Republican presidential race big time, starting with a televised debate Monday in Tampa and ending with an...
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04:04 PM on 09/22/2011
Romney has more of a chance of beating Obama than any of the other candidates. Ron Paul is the most honest of the crowd and we will put Perry on the bottom of that list. The media has pushed and pumped Perry up so as to create a fight between he and Romney, I suppose this means money for TV.It would seem impossible that Florida Seniors, Middle Class Whites, Labor, Blacks, Latinos, Asians, Gays, Youth vote or any one with any intelligence in the nation could vote for Rick Perry. In Texas he has the bible thumping religious fanatics and tea bagging wacko's support. We as Independents hope the rest of the nation has a better concept of who this guy is after some of his negative baggage is vetted. The list of bad legislation goes on and on, do some research on the kind of legislation that has passed in Texas under the reign of these far right Republicans and Perry. It is very sad. Remember this guy wants to end SS/Medicare, Medicaid and all other safety net programs.He has become very wealthy while in office, where did this money come from, Big Pharma, Insurance industry, Big oil and gas, etc. ?
01:49 AM on 09/16/2011
Ron Paul is the only honest man running. Even when you don't agree with him, at least you know he's telling the truth and not reciting talking points.

RON PAUL 2012

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjRcO1Sm0HU
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dwnmw4ever
Not every Liberal is on Welfare
05:14 AM on 09/13/2011
Does not matter who gets the nod...thanks to Rick Scott there are way too many poor and destitute people here for the GOPTP to score a win in 2012...I am going door to door to get the word out in poor neighborhoods to make sure they vote next yr and everyone I have talked to say they will never forget the actions of the GOP...just making sure.they are toast next yr
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Just My Thoughts 2011
Life's but a walking shadow
06:14 PM on 09/18/2011
Where I live people are saying that they'll never forget the No actions of the president. Don't count your chickens just yet. The toast might be how we describe Obama in 13 months.
Even some Dems no longer support him.
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Kathy Levittown
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10:16 PM on 09/12/2011
QUESTION: Why are Gingrich and Santorum still hanging in? lol..Gingrich is just a joke..hes not remotely relevent..and Santorum?.. Hmmmm..token reples when he is not ignored..Cain?..Go back to your Pizza mafia place...oops ..im sorry..if I keep goin Im gonna insult all of them.. lol..THEY all got lots of applause for dismantling ObamaCare..YET..not a whisper of a solution..Obamas gotta be meaner...God only knows hew SMARTER..
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ShanaJuly
07:35 PM on 09/12/2011
Yep the republican fraud governor and his republican minions in control of the legislature began their assault on voters in January in preparation for 2012...
rixter1965
I'll respect your beliefs, but at least be consist
05:49 PM on 09/12/2011
[corrected headline]:

FLORIDA POLLSTER PREDICTS THAT FLORIDA WILL BE THE 'BIG KAHUNA'

Duh!

Can a state be a "big kahuna" (given that it refers to a man -- shaman, wise man)?
03:48 PM on 09/12/2011
What does Perry and Bachmann have in common? Personal financial greed. They will both be figure heads and do what they are told by the big powers of the GOP in hopes to be rewarded handsomely. I was disgusted when I read how Perry has accepted multiple of lavish gifts (or bribes) from wealthy benefactors, all due to the lack of campaigning regulations in Texas. I think the countries has forgotten what is important in a leader. It is a public service position and we need someone who cares more about public service, than themselves.
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blarneydude
I can handle the truth. Now let's talk about you.
02:24 PM on 09/12/2011
If Florida is set for a big role in anything, the rest of us are justified in being somewhat apprehensive.
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Hysterian68
bureaucrat/historian/ranter
12:08 PM on 09/12/2011
No Republican is going to win Florida next year with that fool Scott as Governor.
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MarvinM
Where's the Ka-Boom?
04:53 PM on 09/12/2011
Gov. Scott will surely make it a more uphill battle for a Republican to win FL. Especially Bachmann or Perry. Can't wait to hear them, all of them, on the debate in FL tonight - will they stand by their previous statements or change their tune to what seniors want to hear? Will they stand by remarks about immigration in the past or change their tune to what hispanic voters want to hear? What questions will be asked? Will the candidates challenge each other and begin to lay out the distinctions of why we should vote for them?
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Hysterian68
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02:11 PM on 09/13/2011
With the Tea Party rabble at the debate last night cheering the idea of a 30 year patient being permitted to die, tells you our nation is now in the hands not of patriots but vermin who are really terrorists. They need to be eradicated.
04:25 PM on 09/22/2011
I can't understand how any Florida Senior or Hispanic could vote for Rick Perry. The only crazies I see supporting Perry are the far right religious nuts and the tea bagging fools.Listen to the man on TV whether its in a debate or just talking. He comes off like an individual from below the Mason Dixon with a plantation mentality, an that of an uneducated West Texas redneck. Check out some of the statements made about the death penalty, we do have a record of not letting the bad guys stay in prison for the rest of their life at the taxpayers expense, but most don't talk like they are putting another notch in the rifle stock every time a bad guy is executed after having a trial by his peers and appeals after appeals.
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dfranz
With Liberty and Justice for all
11:29 AM on 09/12/2011
I suggest Perry and the other Baggers go around Florida talking about what an entitlement program SS & Medicare are. It will be a big winner, especially when they tyalk about scaling back so that the tax breaks for billionaires can be afforded. They might want to invite Rick Scott along while they are at it, he's the most popular governor there since sliced bread,
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blarneydude
I can handle the truth. Now let's talk about you.
02:28 PM on 09/12/2011
I prefer the one about the working man who only makes a few dozen billion a year, and how he's entitled to all that money because the sweat of other people's brows has earned it for him.
03:37 PM on 09/12/2011
I think it would help if Perry also shared with them how lack of campaign regulations in Texas have benefitted him, which has allowed his rich supporters flip the bill for his luxurious vacations and many trips for his family. He can brag how his billionaire friends that donate large amounts to his political career supports his lavish life style. He will be proud to run for Presidency and be a figure head to those that wealthy Texans who got him there.
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keedyk87
10:36 AM on 09/12/2011
The GOP relies heavily on the word of many southern preachers who tell their flocks that if they don't vote Republican, they won't go to heaven.
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Eleventh Hour
11:25 AM on 09/12/2011
GOP believes in a person's right t believe whatever they want. That's even been legislated, you know. Remember freedom of religion? There are good people in both parties so your spin just goes poof in the presence of facts.
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keedyk87
11:37 AM on 09/12/2011
I agree we have freedom of choice but that doesn't work too well with a population that can't think for themselves. What you have mainly in the south are mostly followers who let their materialistic preachers do the thinking for them. And it doesn't help when the Republican party pays these preachers to make them materialists instead of spiritualists in a deceiving way.
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Hysterian68
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12:12 PM on 09/12/2011
People do have the right to believe as southern Republicans do that they won't go to heaven if they vote Democratic, but they also have a right to believe,as many do, that the earth is flat and Armaggedon is coming next week. People have a constitutional right to be wrong and to be stupid.
09:41 AM on 09/12/2011
People end up in FL to retire, die, take minimum wage paying jobs if they can find one or to commit crimes. Take your pick. So of the two guys that are in the lead in the Republican Party, that is the audiance they have to appeal to here.
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proudtohaveserved
09:37 AM on 09/12/2011
WOW in that picture, perry looks EVIL
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Ruthless1
Enough TEA already!
12:44 PM on 09/12/2011
You need to be evil to know evil.
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ruthtruth
seeker of truth, willing to listen
09:05 AM on 09/12/2011
Get the pop corn and tums ready. It's going to be another TP/GOP nut fest. How many more are there anyway and do I have to stock up on antacids?
11:23 PM on 09/12/2011
it islikethey are auditiioning fro a reality rv show.
Clevelandinwi
Progressive is good; regressive, not so much.
08:11 AM on 09/12/2011
Did you folks know that gwbush was also governor of Texas? Tell you anything?