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North Carolina Mulls Gay Marriage Ban In Constitution

North Carolina Gay Marriage

By GARY D. ROBERTSON   09/11/11 06:00 PM ET   AP

RALEIGH, N.C. -- North Carolina is the only state in the Southeast without a gay marriage ban in its constitution. The idea has gone nowhere in the last decade because Democratic leaders quashed Republican efforts to debate amendment referenda.

Now with Republicans in charge of the Legislature for the first time in 140 years, conservatives are making their move. Lawmakers return Monday to Raleigh to debate proposed amendments, including one to let voters next year decide if a state law already on the books defining marriage as between one man and one woman should be imprinted into the state constitution as well.

"It's time that we settled this issue," said GOP state Rep. Dale Folwell of Winston-Salem, the No. 2 leader in the House and a key amendment proponent.

Gay rights supporters and gay-friendly companies in the state have been attacking the proposal, saying a 2012 statewide ballot is unnecessary and would humiliate the state in a nation that's become more accepting of same-sex relationships. They say it would discourage business from coming to North Carolina, where unemployment has crept back above 10 percent.

"It makes no sense that North Carolina in a dark economic hour, should signal out a minority of its population for public judgment," said Andrew Spainhour, general counsel of Greensboro-based tableware seller Replacements Ltd., where as many as 100 of the 450 employees are gay, including the company founder.

The marriage debate rises against a backdrop of looming, critical elections. A divisive ballot measure in November 2012 could help bring conservatives to the polls in a state where Barack Obama won in 2008 by only 13,000 votes and which is hosting the Democratic National Convention. Democratic Gov. Beverly Perdue also faces a tough re-election fight next year.

"There's no doubt that there would be some advantage in motivating voters for Republican candidates," said Ferrel Guillory, director of the Program on Public Life at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. On the gay marriage issue itself, he added: "We are polarized on this."

Political and social activists nationwide are keeping a close eye on the debate in Raleigh, which could be decided by a few votes. Groups are investing money and time in what could turn into a yearlong fight with deep political overtones. It could become a bellwether on gay marriage as a political issue.

"Once it gets on the ballot, it's going to be a top priority for us," said Tom McClusky, a vice president at the Washington-based Family Research Council. Its legislative arm ran radio ads urging listeners to call a dozen legislators considered on the fence.

Thirty states have language in their constitutions limiting marriage to a man and woman. Minnesota voters will consider an amendment next year. But gay marriage supporters have seen victories both in politics and public acceptance.

New York became the sixth state with the District of Columbia to sanction same-sex marriages. In North Carolina, support for gay rights and acceptance of same-sex partnerships has expanded in recent years beyond college towns and other urban pockets. The number of same-sex domestic partners in North Carolina increased 68 percent over the past decade, according to U.S. Census figures.

"Each person has to decide what's right for themselves but I don't think we need to legislate those sorts of things," said Byron Greiner, 53, an Asheville real estate agent and president of the city's downtown association who has been in a same-sex partnership for 18 years. "I'd hate to see North Carolina go backward."

Greiner and others argue having a constitutional amendment on the ballot would make companies in emerging fields think twice about expanding in North Carolina. They said the amendment language if approved would lead to uncertainty over same-sex partner benefits, child custody rights and domestic violence laws.

"You don't use the constitution to disenfranchise and hurt your fellow citizens," said Alex Miller, interim leader of the gay rights group Equality North Carolina.

Amendment supporters argue traditional marriage would be better protected against potential legal challenges by same-sex couples married in other states. They said they've seen no proof businesses have refused to come to North Carolina because of the current marriage law. Amendment language expected to be considered Monday in a Senate committee aims to make clear companies aren't impeded from offering domestic partner benefits to their workers.

House Speaker Thom Tills, a Republican from suburban Charlotte, is a former consultant for Price Waterhouse who worked on a diversity initiative that was expanded to recruit gay and lesbian employees. Tillis said he'll vote for the amendment but wants language that he believes won't diminish the attractiveness of doing business in North Carolina.

"We're going to get the legislation right," he said.

The amendment must receive support from three-fifths of the members in both the House and Senate to go to the ballot. Constitutional questions aren't subject to gubernatorial vetoes. A simple majority of voters would have to agree to put it in the constitution. Most of the attention has focused on the House, where the Republican majority falls four seats short of the 72 votes needed if the entire GOP caucus voted together.

That will require Republican leaders to retain six Democrats who co-sponsored a gay marriage amendment earlier this year, while keeping all GOP lawmakers in line. Black Democrats in rural areas were among those being targeted by amendment supporters. Not all Republicans were on board late last week.

"We don't want to make the mistake that everything we think is important, we should put it in the constitution," said first-term Rep. Chuck McGrady, a Republican from Hendersonville, who called himself undecided. "I'm struggling with it. I'm trying to understand all the facts."

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RALEIGH, N.C. -- North Carolina is the only state in the Southeast without a gay marriage ban in its constitution. The idea has gone nowhere in the last decade because Democratic leaders quashed Repub...
RALEIGH, N.C. -- North Carolina is the only state in the Southeast without a gay marriage ban in its constitution. The idea has gone nowhere in the last decade because Democratic leaders quashed Repub...
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Norcal2
Rimmon Diplomacy
12:07 PM on 09/30/2011
I have a good strategy for the pro gay marriage forces in North Carolina..

Have the vote on a day that the TV has all-day, back-to-back episodes of "Hillbilly Handfishin" and most of the conservatives will forget to vote.
09:01 PM on 09/17/2011
Once we change the definition of marriage from one man and one woman we open the door to anything and everything. Are we prepared for this?
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talkstocoyotes
05:12 AM on 09/18/2011
Yes.
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rjh252a1
Not Empty. Just Private
05:57 PM on 09/19/2011
No! Good post!
11:14 AM on 09/14/2011
The best part is, who really cares what North Carolina has to say about anything. Oh that's right they make great furniture for all of us same sex couples living in sin. Get back to the factory, I need a new chaise!!!
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Contact1972
BigGayInc
10:23 PM on 09/30/2011
NC is actually quite progressive-specially as Southern states go. Sad to see the teabaggers taking over. Citizens of NC fell for the 'were for creating jobs because were the teabbgers' BS and instead they are trying to ban gay marriage-something that's already against the law there.
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Homer Zerrudo
Happy (or trying for it)..
09:23 PM on 09/13/2011
"Tillis said he'll vote for the amendment but wants language that he believes won't diminish the attractiveness of doing business in North Carolina."

How pragmatic. Judge other people but in a language conducive to business.
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tlee47ftw
03:33 PM on 09/13/2011
If they enshrine that bigoted law in the constitution then it will be there forever for their grandchildren and on to see their bigotry and ignorance. Even after it is repealed it will stay in the constitution for generations yet unborn to shake their heads at the ignorance.
There are many such amendments concerning segregation that one can look at in southern constitutions, long since repealed the original amendmet sits there for all to see.
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StevenKeirstead
Photographer and Biologist who happens to be gay.
10:45 AM on 09/14/2011
Even Massachusetts, which was a pretty liberal place at the time its state constitution was written, has constitutional provisions that required elected officials to take an oath that affirmed they were a member of a "Protestant Faith" or a Quaker. So religious discrimination against Catholics, Muslims, Atheists and all other non-Protestants was written into the Commonwealth's Constitution and only overturned with the passage of the Bill of rights in the US Constitution a couple years afterward.
09:03 PM on 09/17/2011
How can you give the right to one group to marriage and not consider other forms of marriage?
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talkstocoyotes
05:13 AM on 09/18/2011
Whatever "other forms" you have in mind, they will have to make their own case.
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Contact1972
BigGayInc
10:24 PM on 09/30/2011
John-please explain.
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StevenKeirstead
Photographer and Biologist who happens to be gay.
10:21 AM on 09/13/2011
North Carolinians, Please do not enshrine discrimination against gay couples in your constitution. It is not right to treat gays and lesbians as second class citizens undeserving of the same rights that heterosexuals enjoy. Marriage was ruled a fundamental right by the US Supreme Court in Loving v. Virginia and it is only a matter of time before people realize this right belongs to all people: to marry the partner of their choosing, so long as they are both consenting adults. The US Census of 2010 has shown that many gay or lesbian couples are raising children. If you attack the rights of these parents, you harm their families economically and take the bread out of these children's mouths. Do the right thing: Support Marriage Equality. Reject Discrimination!
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TXanimal
Somewhere between Occam's Razor & Murphy's Law
10:30 AM on 09/13/2011
Are the anti-marriage equality folks so out of the loop that they don't realize that gay people can and do reproduce and adopt? I guess children raised by gay people don't count when they cry that the marriage issue is "all about the children"...
El Justiciero
HP mods have NO sense of humor, obviously
01:32 PM on 09/13/2011
I'm a North Carolinian and I know that very very few people in my district would support such useless and discriminatory change to the constitution but sadly, our district lines are being redrawn to take away power from all of us in the mountains.
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Contact1972
BigGayInc
10:25 PM on 09/30/2011
But you know the majority of rural voters will flock to the polls for this one. Sad.
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TBJ
Irrelevent Blurb
06:14 AM on 09/13/2011
It's nice to see GOP lawmakers are keeping themselves busy with the real important stuff. I mean why care about the economy , jobs, healthcare, education when you can focus all your time, effort and money on banning gay marriage ............ Time well spent :P
01:58 AM on 09/13/2011
I grew up in Raleigh, it was not a hateful place. The people I know are better than this. The state I grew up in is better than this. I was a proud North Carolinian. Not so proud today...
El Justiciero
HP mods have NO sense of humor, obviously
01:36 PM on 09/13/2011
It's Charlotte we have to worry about. Charlotte gets more and more like South Carolina every day and it's massive.
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Contact1972
BigGayInc
10:25 PM on 09/30/2011
That's scary!
12:02 AM on 09/13/2011
Gays need to stop trying to shove their agenda down other people's throats.
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AdamWest1313
Hardcore Agnostic
12:18 AM on 09/13/2011
They aren't. People are trying to shove their opinions down homosexual's throats, in your words. They want equality. That's it.
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Contact1972
BigGayInc
10:27 PM on 09/30/2011
Thank you Mayor Adam West :-)
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
01:33 AM on 09/13/2011
Not sitting down or shutting up until GLBT people have every right that you enjoy. Who are you to tell a loving couple who are law-abiding, tax-paying US citizens whether or not they may marry. How about we see what rights can be taken from YOU? Bet you wouldn't like it, would you? Neither do we. We are human beings and as Americans, every bit your equal.

You and your ilk shove your heterosexual agenda down our throats 24/7/365. If we have an agenda, it consists of one word: EQUALITY. You know, the equality you so obviously feel entitled to and yet wish to deny to people who have never harmed you and whose right to marry will not affect your life in the least.
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LiberalBuzz
Voting republican is voting against America.
10:31 PM on 09/12/2011
"You don't use the constitution to disenfranchise and hurt your fellow citizens," said Alex Miller, interim leader of the gay rights group Equality North Carolina.

This is exactly what the GOP demands be done with our constitution. Continually amend it to use it as a weapon against those they don't like. Or look different, or pray differently.

The GOP whines about the Constitution but like the buybull they pick and choose what they want to use and what they want to either discard or amend to suit their incredibly narrow minded, bigoted minds.

So what happens when down the road we have dozens of states with gay marriage and dozens without?

If a gay persons job demands they relocate or even temporarily be sent to a state where gay marriage is illegal does his partner face loss of any benefits? Or if being gay is illegal do they risk being sent to prison?

This using the Constitution whether our national one or state one as a weapon to discriminate is wrong beyond all normal rationale.


Time to stop using it as a means of exclusion.
09:06 PM on 09/17/2011
Our constitution guarantees the separation of church and state (Government). If a church does not want to marry a couple will the church loose there tax exempt status. If a church wants to allow one man with many wives or one woman with many husbands will we allow this? Before we change a law let’s talk about how the law will affect other laws.
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talkstocoyotes
05:29 AM on 09/18/2011
No, a church will not lose its tax exempt status if its clergy refuse(s) to officiate at a same-sex couple's wedding. Clergy already have the right to refuse that, on any basis including convenience.

There has been no "talking" on this issue because it isn't one. It's equivalent to the 1970s' "argument" that the Equal Rights Amendment would lead to men invading the women's restroom.
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Contact1972
BigGayInc
10:35 PM on 09/30/2011
John-if a church or ANY religious institution does not wish to marry a gay couple they don't have to and won't be forced to or lose their tax exempt status.
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SirSlappy
My micro-bio is still empty.
10:28 PM on 09/12/2011
Who cares?
Who the he|| travels to spend a dime in North Carolina?
Bunch of red n ecks.
10:06 AM on 09/13/2011
I just had the most amazing weekend at the Hopscotch festival in Raleigh. Next week is SparkCon. If hockey's your thing, we hosted the All-Star game this year, too. I'm not from NC, but I've lived here for 10 years and have loved every bit. I hated when the Republicans won control, and they've spent every second undoing every good thing that's been done, & throwing in some new stuff, too. It's sickening. We're not all like that here. (There are rednecks & ignorant people everywhere, too. It's not just this state. Don't be so hateful.)
09:09 PM on 09/17/2011
The Republican Party was founded in Northern States in 1855 by anti-slavery activists. The party took on the mission of saving the Union and destroying slavery during the Civil War. Republicans emphasize the role of free markets and individual achievement as the primary factors behind economic prosperity and agree there should be a "safety net" to assist the less fortunate; however, they tend to believe the private sector is more effective in helping the poor than government is. Republicans are about 50 percent more likely to be self-employed, and are more likely to work in the area of management. They hold a large majority in the armed forces, with 57% of active military personnel and 66% of officers identified as Republican. Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats to have 4-year college degrees and Republican men are more likely than Democratic men to have advanced degrees. Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican President. Republicans gave strong support to women suffragists demanding the right to vote. Republican President Eisenhower enforced Brown v. Board of Education and Republican President Nixon signed into law affirmative action for Afro-Americans.
09:11 PM on 09/17/2011
The Republicans are not the problem!
El Justiciero
HP mods have NO sense of humor, obviously
01:48 PM on 09/13/2011
Floridians, Georgians, New Yorkers . . . MILLIONS travel here every year. Our entire economy in WNC is based on tourism. All of western NC is known for it's national forests, parks, arts and LIBERAL politics, and Asheville is one of the most liberal and gay-friendly cities I've ever seen. It's the big city people of places like Charlotte that spew up such pointless and discriminatory laws, not us in the mountains or the people in Raleigh.
09:46 PM on 09/12/2011
Follow the money.

One of the less reported aspects of this story is the role that Art Pope and his cadre have played in funneling money to this and other ultra-conservative causes. Pope is one of the most active members of the Koch Brothers circle, a small group of wealthy conservatives that are using their personal fortunes to influence state and local elections and coordinating their efforts through Koch-backed organizations.

Pope, a millionaire in Raleigh that made his fortune from discount and dollar stores around the state, spent a small fortune to push a slate of Tea Bagger Republican candidates through a ton of flyers, ads, and everything he could throw at the election. I got a mailbox full of hateful homophobic and racist flyers for weeks before the election.

An ultra-conservative organization of church leaders, Return America led by Ron Baity, bused in their congregations to Raleigh to lobby for the bill and for pr events to get it in the news. Baity has been connected with and a featured speaker at Tea Bagger rallies funded by Art Pope and his cronies over the past couple of years.

I'd take a hard look at the balance sheets of the churches that have been active on this issue. I'm willing to bet they got some big donations from just the right people to push this with their congregations.

It's all about the money.
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cwebster
predominantly exasperated
11:23 PM on 09/12/2011
In which case, those churches should lose their tax exempt status. Someone should report them to the IRS and ask for an investigation.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
02:07 AM on 09/13/2011
Time to start pushing for the tax-exempt status of the churches. It's past time to stop their free ride. I resent my tax dollars being used (if the churches pay nothing, I pay more in taxes as do we all) to fund efforts to limit my civil rights.
06:04 AM on 09/13/2011
It's time for the gay community to do more than hold rallies or do press releases. We need to be active in documenting and rooting out corruption and exposing it to the light of day. Return America is just a front to funnel money to these pastors - the pastors and churches involved need to have their non-profit status challenged on this.
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FantasticFourFan
Fred Phelps represents all gay marriage opponents
08:18 PM on 09/12/2011
Hypothetical situation: Let's say gay marriage had been granted back in 1970 due to some court case. How many people would have even noticed? Face facts: The only reason anyone outside the gay community cares about this issue at all is because your church told you to. If they told you global warming was a real threat, you would have taken that seriously too. The right took up gay bashing in the late seventies (read: pre-AIDS) because they needed a new boogeyman to replace segregation.

You bigots care about this because you are zombies who just do whatever your told. Your church tells you gay marriage will undermine yours somehow and you take them at face value just because that's all you've ever done. Don't think so? Okay, 25 years ago, how many of you had even heard of gay marriage? How many of you would have cared if you had?
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cwebster
predominantly exasperated
11:25 PM on 09/12/2011
We've had equal marriage in Canada since 2005 (longer in some provinces) and it hasn't hurt or harmed any straight marriages. I can't say that it had any effect on my marriage whatsoever.