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Arizona Gun Raffle: Reactions Reveal Power Struggle Amongst Pima County Republicans

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The Huffington Post   First Posted: 09/12/11 07:18 PM ET Updated: 11/12/11 05:12 AM ET

Congratulations are in order to the Pima County Republican Party in Arizona. To raise money for get-out-the-vote efforts, they have successfully raffled off not one but two guns - a deer rifle and a Glock pistol. In doing so they also caused a bit of a national uproar. Mike Shaw, until recently the interim chair of the PCRP, claims the vitriolic backlash came as a surprise - that they hadn't expected it. However, this jars sharply with other statements made to the press by other members of the PCRP Executive Committee.

After HuffPost's Off the Bus broke the story, people were outraged because the gun in question, a Glock 23, is markedly similar - and visually identical - to the Glock 19 used back in January by Jared Lee Loughner when, in Tucson, he shot Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in the head, killed six people, and wounded 12 others.

On Sept. 1, Shaw told Tucson's KVOA-TV, "I've actually been surprised by the reaction" and denied that the choice of raffle item was insensitive. The next day he told the Arizona Daily Star, "I didn't expect this reaction." The New York Times quoted him as saying, "Had I known the reaction was going to be this strong, I would have taken that into consideration ... But we've done handgun raffles in the past and we'll do them in the future. We're not trying to offend anyone."

And yet people were offended -- people like like Col. Bill Badger (Ret.) and Nancy Bowman, survivors of the Tucson shooting. Regardless of whether a public figure intends to offend, what is the calculation involved when he moves forward knowing something will offend? What kind of people would intentionally take advantage of a tragedy like the Tucson shooting to make some headlines and a quick buck?

"I knew exactly what [the raffle] would do," claimed PCRP executive committee member Mike Ebert. Speaking to the Arizona Daily Star, he said, "Anytime you want to challenge 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, it's going to get conservatives off their butts."

Meanwhile, another committee member, James Kelley, told the Arizona Republic, "Let's make this perfectly clear: I advised against this raffle from day one." He said he called the raffle stupid and insensitive, and strongly advised against it.

So how can it be that Shaw was "surprised" by the "unexpected" reaction to the raffle, when just such a reaction had been discussed amongst the PCRP executive committee? If they didn't intend to outrage or offend anyone - then why, in the context of the backlash, would Ebert claim that he knew "exactly" what would happen? Taken separately, these comments reflect standard party infighting and insensitivity. But put them together and a more cynical picture begins to form.

Many considered the raffling of a Glock in Tucson less than nine months after the Tucson shooting to be tacky at best. The raffle was described - even by many Republicans - in such terms as "stunningly insensitive" and "incredibly stupid," and on his show Countdown Keith Olbermann referred to Shaw as a "human-shaped pile of feces."

Shaw and his supporters justified the raffle, saying that the gun was just left over from a similar fundraiser held last year. But former PCRP chair Brian Miller, who was in charge last time, said that given the Tucson shootings of Gabriel Giffords and all the others, he wouldn't have done it again this year. "There's a woman who has a bullet in the brain and who everybody is wishing a full recovery," Miller told Talking Points Memo. "I don't think that raffling off a firearm right now is probably the right way to go."

Miller is the former chair of the party because he was forced out earlier this year for, interestingly enough, firearm-related issues. In May, a SWAT team stormed into the house of ex-Marine Jose Guerena in what police said was a drug sting. Guerena told his wife and 4 year old son to hide in a closet, while he confronted what he thought were home invaders with his AR-15 rifle. The SWAT team fired 71 rounds at Guerena. He was hit 23 times. He never even took the safety off the rifle.

At the time, Miller sent out a widely circulated e-mail entitled "We Are All Jose Guerena," calling for an examination of "the policies that routinely lead to heavily armed and militarized local police invading private homes." Almost immediately, his fellow Republicans voted him out of office, ostensibly for inciting "distrust of Pima County law enforcement agencies." Yet another casualty of the nationwide Tea-Partification of the GOP, Miller berated the "my way or the highway" wing of the party that ousted him - people like Shaw, for example, who initially became involved in the PCRP through Tea Party activism. "They aren't exactly known for their ability to feel the political pulse," Miller told TPM. "Politically, it's kind of a silly thing to do."

Meanwhile, in a HuffPost exclusive for Off the Bus, Kelley expanded on his prior statements. He claims that the PCRP executive committee discussed having "no more gun raffles" as far back as January, "shortly after the [Tucson] shooting." And in July, when Pima County Sheriff candidate Chester Manning held a "Shoot With the New Sheriff" picnic (inviting participants to "Enjoy a picnic lunch and shoot full-auto machine guns and sub-machine guns") Kelley says he warned that it was a bad idea and would embarrass the party.

"Manning stood on his principles and the 2nd Amendment," says Kelley. "I said, 'Stand on the 2nd Amendment all you want. I'm just saying you will not have anyone from the party come to your support when the backlash comes at you." Kelley went so far as to allege that Shaw, along with PCRP Executive Director Greg Harris, made the decision to raffle the Glock "to prove me wrong and show 'support' to Chester Manning."

Repeated requests for comments from the PCRP, and specifically Shaw, Harris and Ebert, were not answered; nor was the offer to let them respond to Kelley's allegations. Kelley remains Legislative District 29 chairman for the PCRP and a voting member of the Executive Committee.

"Mike Shaw should have expected the backlash," said Kelley. "I told him there would be one. But Greg [Harris] had already put together his talking points for Mike should anyone complain because that is what they spit out immediately."

What's all this about discussing gun raffles repeatedly since January? How could Shaw be surprised by the very backlash he was told to expect? How can you have talking points prepared in advance for an unexpected surprise? Why would Ebert move forward with a plan he apparently knew would stir up controversy and re-open wounds in Tucson that haven't had time to heal - literally as well as figuratively?

On his blog, The Cholla Jumps, Kelley offers one theory that sums everything up nicely:

"What does the one party that has the answers and the candidates to solve the problems do? It holds a gun raffle against the advice of it's [sic] own members of the executive committee because the Pima GOP is so broke it has less than one month worth of operating revenue left in the kitty and the Executive Director wanted to make sure his pay check would cash next week."

Alex Brant-Zawadzki is a contributor to The Huffington Post's citizen journalism program OfftheBus. If you would like to contribute to OfftheBus 2012 coverage of the campaign season, sign up at offthebus.org.

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Congratulations are in order to the Pima County Republican Party in Arizona. To raise money for get-out-the-vote efforts, they have successfully raffled off not one but two guns - a deer rifle and a G...
Congratulations are in order to the Pima County Republican Party in Arizona. To raise money for get-out-the-vote efforts, they have successfully raffled off not one but two guns - a deer rifle and a G...
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Rooster Coburn 04:57 PM on 09/15/2011
With the high level of unemployment in Arizona and the nation as a whole it does seem a bit insensitive to raffle off an Austrian made Glock instead of a Ruger firearm manufactured in Prescott, Arizona. If I were an Arizona Republican official I would probably have chosen a Ruger SR9C semi-auto pistol intended for concealed carry, which, by the way, is legal in that state without a permit provided the  Read More...
04:17 PM on 09/16/2011
This raffle is grotesque. The families of the people murdered by gun use in the Arizona massacre should be outraged.
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David Carson
12:33 AM on 09/17/2011
ST--you are very good at manufacturing outrage--I am sure Alan GUra appreciates your efforts at increasing his net worth into the 8 to 9 figure range
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KMAJ
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10:37 PM on 09/15/2011
Hi again Alex. Credit where it is due, you reduced the claim of it being the "same gun type" to being "markedly similar." You also mentioned that the gun was for a raffle a year prior to the shooting. No more attacks on your credibility, for now. Keep up the good work.
04:18 PM on 09/16/2011
Glocks seem to be the weapon of choice for mass murderers. Hope a terrorist didn't win the raffle.
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KMAJ
Iraq war Veteran
09:03 PM on 09/16/2011
Um, I do not see a bright future for you as an advertising executive for Glock merchandise.
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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
04:57 PM on 09/15/2011
With the high level of unemployment in Arizona and the nation as a whole it does seem a bit insensitive to raffle off an Austrian made Glock instead of a Ruger firearm manufactured in Prescott, Arizona. If I were an Arizona Republican official I would probably have chosen a Ruger SR9C semi-auto pistol intended for concealed carry, which, by the way, is legal in that state without a permit provided the carrier is not a "prohibited person" under state or federal laws.
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08:07 PM on 09/15/2011
It does make you wonder, doesn't it, "Rooster", why, given the choice, Jared Loughner, who was, after all, not a "prohibited person", and, as such was entitled to purchase and carry concealed any handgun that he might have desired, made such an unpatriotic selection?
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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
09:01 PM on 09/15/2011
Are you a "shut-in" or what?
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schotts
Work hard, play harder
01:56 AM on 09/17/2011
10 commas in one sentence. OMG.
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ElmCreekSmith
If the truth hurts, it should.
03:47 AM on 09/17/2011
Yeah, but they'd already paid for the Glock. Maybe next time.

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OdinsEye
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08:05 PM on 09/14/2011
"Congratulations are in order to the Pima County Republican Party in Arizona. To raise money for get-out-the-vote efforts, they have successfully raffled off not one but two guns - a deer rifle and a Glock pistol. In doing so they also caused a bit of a national uproar."

Did they cause it? Or did the author?
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08:46 PM on 09/14/2011
There would be no uproar if it were not for their tastelessness in undertaking such a venture, or their constituents' brazen appetite for guns. Those were not created by the author, who you presumably would have preferred keep his knowledge of this embarrassment under wraps.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
09:15 PM on 09/14/2011
The author, who is the one who brought the issue to the attention of the media, is the reason why so many heard about this event, which is what led to the uproar, and why there was such a demand for tickets that they added another firearm. Had this not gained any traction in the media, there would have been very limited uproar and they might not have even sold the tickets they had planned on.

The initial seed may have been the raffle, but the direct cause of the uproar was the article.
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Conlaw Bloganon
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10:45 PM on 09/13/2011
The thing about guns and other inanimate objects is, to some people they're terrifying under any conditions. To the rest of us, they're just... guns.

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01:02 PM on 09/16/2011
And to the rest of us, the oft-voiced presumption that gun control advocates are "terrified" of guns is just a lot of empty, egotistical chest-thumping.
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David Carson
03:05 PM on 09/16/2011
and this bit of snark from HP's top chest thumper himself
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Carol McCormack Stone
06:49 PM on 09/13/2011
GOPers show just exactly how unchristian-like they really are and what they really believe in - and it "aint" the Bible and God! If you want an true, historical example of where the republicans want the people of the United States who are not the wealthiest 3% to be at, watch "The Appalachians:"documentary -The story of the Hatfields and McCoys, etc." to see exactly how conditions were for workers from the 1880's on through the 1930's. THAT is the period republicans would have us go back to - to be "raped" and abused by corrupt corporations - whole families thrown out on the street, forced to buy only from 'their" stores" using "their" form of money. Horrible, and why unions became so popular and made working conditions and wages better for the workers, and ultimately why regulations were set into place to protect the worker and families.
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schotts
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01:00 AM on 09/14/2011
I'm sure confused. I thought this article was about a gun raffle in Arizona. But you comment is only about unions.
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11:26 AM on 09/14/2011
Right you are, "schotts". If a poster must stray off topic, they should at least have the good sense to discuss their recent hunting trip, or, perhaps, their participation in an obscure college sport.
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LCLiberal
06:37 PM on 09/13/2011
Shame on these monsters. what sort of sick partisan stunt is this, "raffling" off the very gun used in a brutal shooting that killed several innocent Americans and as aimed at assassinating a sitting US congresswoman. Are they using the Tucson tragedy as a means of political intimidation? I think so...
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schotts
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08:49 PM on 09/13/2011
OMG, are serious? You honestly think they are raffling off THE gun used? That gun is evidence for a heinous crime.
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hagagaga
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08:53 PM on 09/13/2011
For the same reason as Schotts pointed out, you are either stupid, dishonest, or just entirely ignorant of how criminal justice works.
04:46 PM on 09/13/2011
This story is incomplete.

Where can I enter a raffle to win a pistol or rifle in my local community?

Thanks in advance.
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05:01 PM on 09/13/2011
If your community is one in which there has been a recent high-profile mass shooting, among whose victims was a Democratic Congressperson, I would suggest that you consult with a local representative of the Republican Party. He, or she should be able to steer you in the right direction.
05:18 PM on 09/13/2011
Funny you should say that. It turns out that they are only raffling a crappy High Point where as the local Dems have a Remington 700 (Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation Model). I’m still entering both. Oh, no high profile shootings here. I don't think there ever has been one.
04:22 PM on 09/13/2011
I would think even in Arizona this would be a little too fresh. Hell, I carry a Glock 23. Excellent handgun.

Nothing wrong with raffling a handgun, but come on, give some thought to perceptions, even if they're completely irrational perceptions.
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01:38 PM on 09/13/2011
Darn right this raffle stirred up a lot of controversy! A Glock 19 would have been a better gun to raffle!
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02:38 PM on 09/13/2011
Indeed. The raffling of that particular weapon would have ensured an even higher per capita participation of headcases.
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David Carson
08:08 PM on 09/14/2011
and this little bit of snark from our stalking recluse
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hagagaga
My comments are funnier than yours.
10:50 AM on 09/15/2011
Except they, unlike some people, have better things to do than help HP reach the mathematical limit for possible usernames by getting banned as often as possible.

Hopefully, they'll figure out the concept of an IP ban soon.
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11:24 AM on 09/13/2011
liberals needn't fear law-abiding citizens and their guns.
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01:31 PM on 09/13/2011
The presumption that gun-toters are "feared' is a common one among people such as yourself. Make no mistake - you are merely loathed.
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schotts
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02:10 PM on 09/13/2011
Guffie, is that you again.
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04:05 PM on 09/13/2011
don't pretend to be brave. fear is the perfect word. Those nasty second amendmenters
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Cacey
Ignore rudeness, honor discussion
06:49 PM on 09/13/2011
And so shall those law abiding citizens remain so until the commit a crime.
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12:47 AM on 09/14/2011
"law abiding citizens" don't commit crimes, by definition
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ShinjiIkari
Do you understand how stupid it is to be afraid?
08:26 AM on 09/13/2011
James Kelley called the gun raffle stupid and insensitive. Come on; this is Arizona! The state that is symbolized by a gigantic hole in the ground! No doubt the AZ Baggerz get aroused by the Grand Canyon, since they regard their guns as indispensible as their Johnson-bars.
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Carl Caroli
Give peace a chance
08:01 AM on 09/13/2011
Callous. Insensitive. Clearly, not going to be influenced by current events, these animals are only interested in their own agenda.
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Conlaw Bloganon
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10:47 PM on 09/13/2011
Make it illegal, then we can really be free. Because anything that I find offensive should be illegal. Right? Who needs the 1st amendment anyway.
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Cacey
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06:39 AM on 09/13/2011
This is simply a case of shoving the gun totting attitude of the Tea Party into the faces of others and it could backfire, especially if expanded nationally. As more of these gun promotions increase, so do the odds of one of those guns being used in a truly henious crime. And while this would further marginalize the Baggers, the life of a single American -- or other innocent person -- out weighs the damage it would do to the Tea Party if only on the basis that the Tea Party is worth very little.
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11:25 AM on 09/13/2011
liberals don't need to fear law-abiding American citizens. Gain some perspective.
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schotts
Work hard, play harder
03:29 PM on 09/13/2011
"as more of these gun promotions increase..."

--- They are not new. Guns have been raffled off and used as promotion gifts (open a savings account, get a gun) are not new, not novel and not illegal. Several times I have purchased raffle tickets for charity auctions with a gun as the grand prize.

There are 10s of millions of law abiding gun owners in the US - many are very willing to buy raffle tickets for the chance to win a firearm. No harm, no foul.

Gun crime has been going down for years while gun ownership has been going up. What makes you think that in a legal process of raffling off a gun increases the odds of "one of those" guns being used in a henious crime? Seems to me, you do not have much experience or knowledge about guns, gun ownership, gun rights support, etc.

I do not consider myself a Tea Party affiliate but I find the "bagger" comment offensive. The only reason you and your ilk use that word is because it is not highly obvious to those not in the "know" while you giggle about it under your breath knowing you use it offensively to refer to a vulger sex act.
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Cacey
Ignore rudeness, honor discussion
04:14 PM on 09/13/2011
I didn't pick the name "Tea Party" nor do I wear Lipton products on my hat. Further, I am a an older gay man who had never heard of this "vulgar (sic.) sex act" until those people started complaining. Would you prefer "economic terrorists"?