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HD85512b, Hot New Planet In Vela Constellation, Could Be In Habitable Zone - Barely

Hd85512b Planet

First Posted: 09/12/11 04:20 PM ET Updated: 12/21/11 11:40 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Associated Press) — Astronomers believe they have found a second planet outside our solar system that seems to be in the right zone for life, just barely. But it would feel like a steam bath – hot, sticky and beyond uncomfortable.

European astronomers announced the discovery Monday along with about 50 other planets outside our solar system at a conference in Moran, Wyo. The most exciting of those planets is only the second to be confirmed as lying in what astronomers call the habitable zone, or the Goldilocks zone. That means it's not too hot and not too cold for liquid water to be present. Water is the key to a planet being able to support Earth-like life, scientists say.

Only one of the past discoveries of such Goldilocks planets has held up. That was a planet found in 2007. And even this new one comes with an asterisk: The planet would need to have water and be a rocky, solid planet like Earth, not one that's primarily gas like Jupiter.

The new planet is about 3.6 times the mass of Earth. Temperatures there may range from 85 to 120 degrees with plenty of humidity.

"It's going to be really muggy, just think about the muggiest (Washington) day you can think of," said study author Lisa Kaltenegger, an astronomer with the Max Planck Institute in Germany. "We're not saying it's habitable for you and me."

But other types of life – probably shorter and squatter life – could conceivably take root there, she said. They would probably be closer to the ground than humans because gravity on this larger-than-Earth planet is about 1.4 times what we experience, she said.

For it to be considered livable by astronomers, at least 60 percent of it would have to be covered in clouds, said Kaltenegger. Earth has about 50 percent cloud cover, so 60 percent seems reasonable, she said.

The new planet, called HD85512b, closely circles a star about 35 light-years from Earth in the constellation Vela. Each light-year is 5.8 trillion miles. A year there is only 60 days. The only reason it might not be too hot for life is that its sun is about 1,800 degrees cooler than our sun, Kaltenegger said.

The new batch of planets, including the potentially habitable one, were found by the European Southern Observatory's special planet-hunting instrument called HARPS is based in Chile. The finding doubles the number of planets that are closer to Earth in mass than those closer to Jupiter's size.

Reports on them appear in four papers published in scientific journals to coincide with the Wyoming conference, Extreme Solar Systems II. This new planet was observed more than a thousand times over 200 nights of tracking from Chile so astronomers are confident with their findings, said study author Francesco Pepe of the Geneva Observatory in Switzerland.

In addition to the two European discoveries of potentially habitable planets, a NASA telescope has identified more than 50 other candidates, but those still need further confirmation.

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WASHINGTON (Associated Press) — Astronomers believe they have found a second planet outside our solar system that seems to be in the right zone for life, just barely. But it would feel like a steam ...
WASHINGTON (Associated Press) — Astronomers believe they have found a second planet outside our solar system that seems to be in the right zone for life, just barely. But it would feel like a steam ...
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MikeyJaii
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10:27 PM on 09/13/2011
So when are we going to have a mission and start colonizing it?
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WthyrBendragon
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12:29 PM on 09/14/2011
Sometime after we have a propulsion/power system that won't require the entire remaining global oil reserves to get there. One of the barriers to manned missions to Mars is the fuel required to A) get humans there and sustain them during the visit and B) get them back to Earth.
12:35 AM on 09/17/2011
Why get them back? Good but is it necessary for colonization
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kbkgza
Send McDonalds Dollars to the RNC!!
09:59 PM on 09/13/2011
Squat life? Kinda like Phantasm then. Cool
06:58 PM on 09/13/2011
We will terra-form the planet for our colonizational needs, and once were done with it, we should pollute it, just like were doing on earth, and soon mars.
05:56 PM on 09/13/2011
They would probably be closer to the ground than humans because gravity on this larger-than-Earth planet is about 1.4 times what we experience, she said....

Not necessarily true.....they could have stronger bones and muscles...going by her standard that would imply that dinosaurs on this planet couldn't have been as large as they were.
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05:26 PM on 09/13/2011
And unlike Earth, that planet actually HAS intelligent life!
10:03 AM on 09/14/2011
Hey General Public, is that possible to tell Huffpo to dedicate a whole section to Science. How can we have an entire section just for Religion but nothing for science ...
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WthyrBendragon
Java junkie. Beverage or code, take your pick.
12:32 PM on 09/14/2011
Unless you consider Scientism to be a religion. Note, that is distinctly different from Scientology - which may be a religion but bares little resemblance to science.
12:36 AM on 09/17/2011
Good point. I second this pilot section!
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abuckley23
Published author. Visit me at Planet Kibi!
02:24 PM on 09/13/2011
The goldilocks zone?! Are there bears serving porridge? Because if there are I would be willing to live with the humidity...
12:57 PM on 09/13/2011
The only way we'll know for sure is to build a ship capable of sending us there to find out. I'm 80% sure we have the technology to do it, all we need is the motivation and the funds to get it done. The way things are going now If we don't this rock we'll be in self-destruction mode in a few short years.
04:43 PM on 09/13/2011
I hate to say it, but you're 80% wrong...

We can dream, though. Maybe someday.
06:02 PM on 09/13/2011
No wrobbins......it's never....the ENERGY, TIME and DISTANCE alone would make this trip only a fantasy to dream about.....
06:09 PM on 09/13/2011
Wrobbins you think in about 100 years we'll be ready to go to the stars. If we haven't destroyed ourselves first.
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fromdnorth
OK I checked my micro-bio (didn't know I had one
12:23 PM on 09/13/2011
Does it have oil?
07:00 PM on 09/13/2011
Exo-Planets are very different from earth, soo finding oil on a different planet is highly unlikly.
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fromdnorth
OK I checked my micro-bio (didn't know I had one
08:44 PM on 09/13/2011
Well sorry to hear that... I was hoping Perry would find an opportunity to explore... Thanks anyway... But what good are those planets anyway...?
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WthyrBendragon
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12:34 PM on 09/14/2011
As soon as we have a propulsion system that can get manned ships there we can send a bunch of politicians. They're slimy enough that they could be considered to be oil.
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toofarleft4thisworld
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11:59 AM on 09/13/2011
when can i book a ticket?
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11:50 AM on 09/13/2011
Maybe not to hot or cold, maybe has water, maybe has proper atmospheric composition, maybe has proper atmospheric pressure, maybe has protective magnetic field to block harmful radiation, maybe has all the elements of a sustainable life cycle. So its in the stars habitable zone. There is a need to get more information about these new discoveries before bringing up the possibility of life just because one element of life might be there.
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WthyrBendragon
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12:37 PM on 09/14/2011
Good point on the magnetic field. One of the main reasons the Mars atmosphere is so thin is the weak magnetic field due to a relatively small iron core.
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ChrisInYao
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11:40 AM on 09/13/2011
I think it could be the home planet of Predators! Either that or swarthy, stumpy leg somethings...not that there's anything wrong with that!
12:50 PM on 09/13/2011
I am rooting for swarthy/stumpy leg things.
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Stephanie Gilley
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10:06 AM on 09/13/2011
If we are the only intelligent life in the universe it is our duty to populate it. Earth could be the seed for all life. This why we must become less violent and we must value all species. We of course would want to bring them with us when we expand outward and onward into the future.
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Monrocsol
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11:22 AM on 09/13/2011
Hope not. We screw everything up.
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Stephanie Gilley
Move humanity forward.
11:26 AM on 09/13/2011
We are at a turning point...chip up!
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UnicornsOccur
They're invisible and yet pink.
02:33 PM on 09/13/2011
Speak for yourself
06:03 PM on 09/13/2011
So Stephanie.....what drugs are you on?
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blueyesinbhead
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09:54 AM on 09/13/2011
Temperatures there may range from 85 to 120 degrees with plenty of humidity......hmmm....sounds like Florida ever day of the year
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Gurinder Dhillon
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08:45 AM on 09/13/2011
So this new planet is supposed to be similar to Earth, just hot, stick, and extremely uncomfortable, it sounds like these scientists just discovered Texas.
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paddy523
better to be looking at it, than looking for it!
10:02 AM on 09/13/2011
Yes, however unlike Texas, there may be intelligent life there!
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Genep34
stop the nightmare, end the GOP
10:12 AM on 09/13/2011
indeed
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Monrocsol
Bible is a fairy tale book
11:23 AM on 09/13/2011
Very funny,but true.
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08:21 AM on 09/13/2011
Since this picture and subject are astronomy related, thought I would throw this astronomy related factoid in:

550 foot diameter asteroid 2005 YU55 will be passing within the orbit of the Earth's Moon on November 8th of this year, less than two months from today. It poses no immediate threat to us, but it's orbit routinely brings it close to Earth.