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Rick Perry Suffers Lasting Damage On Vaccination Mandate During His Second GOP 2012 Debate

First Posted: 09/13/11 12:53 AM ET Updated: 11/12/11 05:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- The frontrunner status is starting to smart. If Rick Perry felt like a piñata during his first debate last week, the second debate on Monday night might have left the Texas governor and Republican presidential candidate feeling like the bashed-in fax machine in the movie "Office Space."

Perry responded ably to criticisms of his record on Social Security, which had beset him over the last week. But as he dealt with the controversy over calling the program a "Ponzi scheme," three more issues opened up, damaging him in the eyes of conservatives.

Most significantly, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) went hard after Perry for his 2007 attempt to mandate vaccinations of sixth-grade girls against the human papillomavirus, the most common sexually transmitted disease and a lead cause of cervical cancer. This issue had been raised in last week's debate. But unlike then, Bachmann pointed out that Perry's former chief of staff in the governor's office had been part of the lobbying effort for drug manufacturer Merck, which stood to benefit by administering the vaccine.

That led to a low point for Perry, when he defended himself this way: "The company was Merck, and it was a $5,000 contribution that I had received from them. I raise about $30 million, and if you're saying that I can be bought for $5,000, I'm offended."

Bachmann shot back: "Well I'm offended for all the little girls and the parents that didn't have a choice."

Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) then piled on with righteous indignation, accusing Perry of overseeing "big government run amok."

The Bachmann campaign quickly sent out a press release to reporters accusing Perry of "crony capitalism."

"It remains unclear how much his ties to Merck, [the drug] Gardasil's maker, influenced this decision," the Bachmann release said, pointing out that Perry received $6,000 from Merck, not $5,000, and arguing that "the drug maker stood to make tens of millions off Perry's order until the legislature overturned it."

Bachmann sent out an email to supporters just before midnight on Monday calling Perry's actions "a violation of liberty and everything you and I stand for."

To make matters worse for Perry, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin added her voice in support of Bachmann's to criticize Perry after the debate was over. “That’s crony capitalism," she said of Perry's mandate in an appearance on Fox News. "That’s part of the problem that we have in this country is that people are afraid, even in our own party, to call one another out on that. True reform and fighting the corruption and fighting the crony capitalism is a tough thing to do within your own party."

Perry's other dings came on his economic record and on the issue of immigration. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said his state taxes have doubled under Perry and that the state's debt has tripled, while former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney pointed out that job creation in Texas had been at a higher rate under Perry's predecessors, one of whom was a Democrat. And the deeply conservative crowd also booed Perry when he defended allowing children of illegal immigrants to receive in-state tuition at universities.

"It doesn't make any difference what the sound of your last name is," Perry said. "That is the American way."

Altogether, the three criticisms of Perry chipped away at his image of a rock-ribbed conservative.

But the HPV issue may be the one that harms Perry the most. Unlike the Social Security issue, where Perry's iconoclastic comments had endeared him to many portions of the conservative base, the HPV topic will hurt him with the grassroots, especially as it becomes a bigger focus of the campaign in the coming days. What is worse for Perry: the issue alienates both small government conservatives and Republicans who are more conscious of social issues.

Perry attempted to mitigate the damage. He said he should have worked with the state legislature instead of issuing an executive order that attempted to circumvent them. But he portrayed his motives as pure.

"What was driving me was, obviously, making a difference about young people's lives. Cervical cancer is a horrible way to die," Perry said. "You may criticize me about the way that I went about it, but at the end of the day I am always going to err on the side of life."

That grab for the anti-abortion crowd likely won't stand up under scrutiny, as social conservatives absorb the fact that not only did Perry unilaterally make a decision that appeared to benefit a close associate then working for a drug company, he also mandated a vaccine that assumes sexual activity among sixth-graders. Many liberals and independents may approve of that, but for evangelicals and Catholics in particular, who prefer an emphasis on abstinence, it will rub them the wrong way.

There is another twist to the HPV issue. The man who served as Perry's chief of staff and then became a lobbyist for Merck, Mike Toomey, now runs one of the six super PACs supporting Perry. Super PACs can receive unlimited funds, unlike presidential campaigns, though they do have to disclose their donors. Their only significant limitation is that they cannot coordinate with the candidate's campaign.

Many of the candidates, including Romney and Bachmann, have super PACs. But Perry's association with such a group, run by the same man who was involved in the HPV fiasco, will raise questions about the extent to which Perry is a typical politician rather than a reformer.

As for Bachmann, her fiery attack on Perry was a key moment for the Tea Party favorite. She has been hurt by Perry's entrance into the race -- he has overshadowed her with an emphasis on his executive experience and has cut into her support among conservatives. But by tearing the Texan down, Bachmann injected herself back into the race. She still faces an uphill battle against Perry, but if she is to have any chance of staying in the race, she must deconstruct him.

All of this helps Romney, who also has seen his standing in the polls diminished by Perry. If Bachmann and Perry are locked in a battle for the right wing of the GOP, that gives Romney a clearer path to the nomination.

Perry had a ready answer for Romney on Social Security, but it was a departure from the no-retreat posture that had defined his approach until Monday. Perry's first words on the topic were: "The people who are on Social Security today need to understand something: slam-dunk guaranteed, that program is going to be there in place for those."

Those words alone showed that Romney's attacks on the issue were getting to Perry, no matter what his supporters or Tea Party activists said about Romney becoming the face of the entitlement status quo. He backed off his provocative rhetoric as well. He uttered the phrase "Ponzi scheme" only once, and then only to point out that Social Security "has been called a Ponzi scheme by many people long before me."

Nonetheless, Perry scored his biggest punch of the night when he accused Romney of scare tactics, a complaint usually lodged by Republicans against Democrats on the issue of Social Security.

"Rather than trying to scare seniors like you're doing and other people, it's time to have a legitimate conversation in this country about how to fix that program where it's not bankrupt and our children actually know that there's going to be a retirement program there for them," Perry said.

Perry also appeared to limit his idea of letting states handle Social Security to the realm of state and local government employees.

"The issue is, are there ways to move the states into Social Security for state employees or for retirees?" he asked, echoing the thoughts of his top strategist Dave Carney after last week's debate.

The candidates now move into a two-week period until the next debate, in Orlando. By then it will be clear how much damage was inflicted on Perry in Monday night's debate, and whether he still has an upward trajectory or whether he must fight to sustain his status as the frontrunner and conservative standard-bearer.

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WASHINGTON -- The frontrunner status is starting to smart. If Rick Perry felt like a piñata during his first debate last week, the second debate on Monday night might have left the Texas governor an...
WASHINGTON -- The frontrunner status is starting to smart. If Rick Perry felt like a piñata during his first debate last week, the second debate on Monday night might have left the Texas governor an...
 
 
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Intelligenti Pauca
Be Seeing You
10:39 PM on 09/14/2011
Perry asked Obama for federal aid to help with the wildfire problem. Obama rejected his request in April but after submitting a letter to Obama appealing that decision, Perry got that federal aid in July. This was the same Rick Perry who OK'ed $30+ million in budget cuts to the Texas Forest service, including cuts to the Wildfire Emergency Program, back in November of last year, knowing full well that wildfire season was fast approachin­­­­­­­­­g.

Here are some other things that Texas can thank Rick Perry for:

Percent of Uninsured Children - 1st
Percent of Population Uninsured - 1st
Percent of Non-Elderl­­­­­­­­­­y Uninsured - 1st
Amount of Carbon Dioxide Emissions - 1st
Amount of Volatile Organic Compounds Released into Air - 1st
Amount of Toxic Chemicals Released into Water - 1st
Amount of Recognized Cancer-Cau­­­­­­­­­­s­i­n­g Carcinogen­­­­­­­­­­s Released into Air - 1st
Amount of Hazardous Waste Generated - 1st
Number of Executions - 1st
Percent of Population with Food Insecurity - 2nd
Percent of Children Living in Poverty - 4th
Percent Living Below Federal Poverty Level - 4th
Amount of Toxic Chemicals Released into Air - 5th
Percent of Population with Employer-B­­­­­­­­­­a­s­e­d Health Insurance - 48th
Percent of Population 25 and Older with a High School Diploma - 50th
Per Capita State Spending on Mental Health - 50th
Percent of Non-Elderl­­­­­­­­­­y Women with Health Insurance - 50th
Percent of Pregnant Women Receiving Prenatal Care in First Trimester - 50th
Workers’ Compensati­­­­­­­­­­o­n Coverage - 50th
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seanny53
Things fall apart, the center cannot hold
11:54 AM on 09/14/2011
"That’s part of the problem that we have in this country is that people are afraid, even in our own party, to call one another out on that. True reform and fighting the corruption and fighting the crony capitalism is a tough thing to do within your own party." -- Sarah Palin

It's really tough to do when most of those in your own party are the Kings of crony capitalism. Of course, the Democratic party is filled with the princes.
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sackman
I am Jaguar Paw
11:53 AM on 09/14/2011
Rick Perry says hes offended, Well Im also offended. When the entire republican party pleadges thier love of country, then beats down our government, Then yells for uninsured to to die.. Yes that is offensive..........
11:40 AM on 09/14/2011
This morning she's probably offended Mr. Weinstein invited her to his premiere of Butter and offered to school her in mathematics and the constitution :o)

http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/09/14/harvey-weinstein-michele-bachmann-tea-party-butter-comments
11:39 AM on 09/14/2011
That's rich. The entire GOP platform is based on propping up crony capitalism!
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Belle Starr
cattle rustler and horse thief
11:14 AM on 09/14/2011
Bachmann shot back: "Well I'm offended for all the little girls and the parents that didn't have a choice."
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I'm guessing this will be the only time we see shelly support any kind of choice . . . well of course there's the light bulb thing . . .
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Raccoon1
These are the times that try men's souls........
10:59 AM on 09/14/2011
Michele seems to take advice from women who walk up to her and tell of their experiences - no matter than the girls 'mental retardation' was really a result of the HPV immunization or not. I guess national policy based on one woman's claim is about as good as anything Republican can come up with.
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Danish5666
What makes life worthwhile isn't measured by GDP
09:32 AM on 09/14/2011
"I'm offended ", what about being offend that 46 million Americans lives under the poverty line?
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08:36 AM on 09/14/2011
All this looks good for Romney
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sackman
I am Jaguar Paw
11:55 AM on 09/14/2011
You think Romney loks good????????????
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12:28 PM on 09/14/2011
I didn't say romney looks good -- i said all the antics from the tea-party crowd make the situation look good for romney -- big difference.
06:03 AM on 09/14/2011
I'm offended Michele doesn't know what The Bill of Rights is. She says she went to law school right?

She said in the most recent debate she would take to the White House a copy of The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution and The Bill of Rights.

So she doesn't know The Bill of Rights refers to the first ten amendments to The Constitution? If you have a copy of The Constitution, it should include all 27 amendments. Or does she not acknowledge the validity of the last 17 amendments?
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Justdontgetit
Don't screw with old people, they will mess you up
10:44 AM on 09/14/2011
She only loves the Constitution if it will only say what she wants it to!
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Belle Starr
cattle rustler and horse thief
11:10 AM on 09/14/2011
I think she meant that all she'd need to take is her Bible.
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RitaS
05:40 AM on 09/14/2011
Repug Reality Show....

Repugs turning on each other, dog eat dog, who will survive w/ the least scars....
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Raccoon1
These are the times that try men's souls........
11:03 AM on 09/14/2011
Rupert says Perry.
02:29 AM on 09/14/2011
Bachman is such a nit picker! It's almost an endorsement.
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stape45
No brag, just fact.
01:45 AM on 09/14/2011
He’s offended. (And they said it couldn’t be done.)
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Sabrae
Talk to the paws.
01:25 AM on 09/14/2011
I'm offended too, Perry, by the way you use my God for your own personal gain.
01:18 AM on 09/14/2011
If this is not Bush's cousin... I'll be shocked!