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Tea Party Debate Themes: Gang Up On Rick Perry, Dismantle Washington

First Posted: 09/12/2011 11:14 pm Updated: 11/12/2011 4:12 am

WASHINGTON -- Two things happened in Monday night's CNN-Tea Party debate. The dynamics of the Republican race became clear: it's Rick Perry against the field. And the contest's central theme became just as clear: let's dismantle as much as we can of the federal government's role.

We are in the midst of a great national unraveling, a slow-motion secession fostered by fear, anger, $15 trillion in debt and the ineffectual yet conceptually ambitious presidency of Barack Obama.

The GOP grassroots response -- the Tea Party response -- is, however unrealistic and impractical, to try to dismember the federal government except when its largesse was created by Republicans or when it is failing to fully protect the borders.

Questioned repeatedly about the wisdom of their policies, the three current and former governors on the stage -- Rick Perry, Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman -- claimed the mantle of state's rights to defend their actions. Perry defended his support for in-state tuition for undocumented college students in Texas; Huntsman defended his support for driver's licenses for illegals in Utah; and Romney defended his health care plan in Massachusetts.

In defending his tuition policy, Perry even made it sound as though he was doing so because of Texas' long history with Mexico -- as though the Lone Star State still had its own foreign policy.

The contenders for the most part supported a scaled-back military presence in the world -- a presence that itself is an extensive and expensive source of federal power. They called for limiting the role of the Federal Reserve itself, not just its current chairman.

And even when Perry's foes purported to disagree with him on Social Security -- he calls it an unconstitutional invasion of state's rights -- they were careful not to defend the program (let alone Medicare) with anything other than the most cautious language. They reluctantly -- almost woefully -- made an exception for the prescription drug benefit -- a trillion dollar program championed by former President George W. Bush.

The man who made the federal government's role the center of the campaign is also the man who was the center of attention in the debate: Rick Perry.

He has his story about the 10th Amendment and he is sticking to it. An all-but-forgotten part of the Bill of Rights until recently, it has become the organizing principle of the GOP race this year. When Perry mentioned the federal government during the debate, he used the word "they." It was "they" -- the feds -- who were disregarding their duty to protect the border with Mexico.

Think about it: the federal government is "they."

Is that the way most Americans regard it?

The GOP nomination, it seems, is going to go to the candidate who most forcefully makes the case for his or her antagonism to the federal government.

It will be up to President Obama not only to make the case for his own re-election, but for the role of the federal government itself.

It has been a long time -- since the 1920s -- that anyone has really had to do that. Perry threw down the challenge.

And as he makes the case, he is increasingly under attack from his rivals. At one time or another, almost all of them -- led by Romney and Bachmann -- turned their fire on him.

He held his ground for the most part. He hadn't debated much, if at all, in recent years in Texas. He has a decent knack for it and he relishes the punch and -- even more -- the counterpunch.

Perhaps the president should suggest that, if Texas is so cool and successful and powerful, Perry himself should secure the border from Brownsville to El Paso.

Perry once talked about secession. Was he joking?

Who will win the Republican nomination?

  • Michele Bachmann

  • Herman Cain

  • Newt Gingrich

  • Jon Huntsman

  • Ron Paul

  • Rick Perry

  • Mitt Romney

  • Rick Santorum

  • Other

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02:33 PM on 10/12/2011
Maybe SPADE has the answer... this is IARPA's latest crowdsourcing project, an online study lead by Draper Labs in Cambridge. It has people make predictions online and then uses algorithms to identify experts in the crowd and gives their predictions the most weight. Somehow, this is supposed to be able to predict election winners, economic events, and other questions about the future. Interesting concept: http://www.draper.com/emailedAnnouncements.html#SPADE.
02:50 PM on 10/12/2011
Sorry, this link works: http://www­.draper.co­m/emailedA­nnouncemen­ts.html#SP­ADE
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Rick Huggins
You got a better idea...
08:30 AM on 10/04/2011
I'm just wondering if any here have been watching the Ken Burn's ,"Prohibition". The issues then are similier with the discourse we have today.
Some things never change. Just the characters and subjuect matter.
cdnman
Still a free spirit...
01:07 PM on 10/04/2011
Yes. I'm watching it...anything by Ken Burns is worth watching and your comments are correct too. F and F
08:07 PM on 09/14/2011
What a zoo! This is going to be a long year.........
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ultrawiz
Holding the Middle Ground
03:26 PM on 09/14/2011
Totally agree. If Perry thinks that states can do so much better on their own than let TX build it's own border fence,
02:54 PM on 09/14/2011
I really think for the good of everyone,there should be a question on the 2012 ballot to see if the voters support the right of states to leave the union.With the divisions as deep as they are,there is no point of even trying to keep together,states or regions with such different needs,values,and governing philosophies.It would take awhile to sort out financial and common properties,but in the end it might make for more effective goverment and more happyness for all.
10:25 AM on 09/15/2011
Therein lies the overreach of the Federal Government. The power of the states has been eroded to such a degree that individual needs cannot be assessed by and acted upon by state governments very easily. There are always federal strings attached to state legislations respectively.
03:46 PM on 09/15/2011
Yes,but do you support a two country solution,if the voters want it?
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taxthepoor2
02:33 PM on 09/14/2011
The only thing being dismantled is liberal theology
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ultrawiz
Holding the Middle Ground
03:32 PM on 09/14/2011
By 'liberal theology' do you mean Jesus's teachings that we should love our neighbors as we do ourselves and to be good Samaritan's? For all the blathering the right does about how 'Christian' they are, they sure don't practice what they preach.
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Timothy Ven
Actor, Videographer, Pain in the butt
06:50 PM on 09/14/2011
Don't forget the part about being good stewards of the land
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taxthepoor2
06:52 PM on 09/14/2011
It all depends as to which economic theory best feeds the poor.
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cynical one
ALT-F4 will take care of all your problems.
08:01 PM on 09/15/2011
Jesus just shed a tear for you. No wait. It was just gas.
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Greybeard53
All Hail Marx and Lennon !
02:08 PM on 09/14/2011
""The GOP grassroots response -- the Tea Party response -- is, however unrealistic and impractical, to try to dismember the federal government except when its largesse was created by Republicans or when it is failing to fully protect the borders.""

Howard, you forgot one other arena where the Teabaggers demand a huge Federal presence: in the bedroom and later the Gynecologist's office.
You've got to love only the opposite sex, and bring forth children whether you want them or not. You've got to keep ANY fetus, damaged or healthy, whether conceived by rape or incest or by mistake or thru ignorance (which the Teabaggers insist is God's way: you'll find out about sex like they did, on the streets or by doing and suffering the consequences).
07:40 PM on 09/14/2011
Republicans only care about unborn babies not their mothers (incest, rape, illness, possible death) because they pass laws to make it impossible to abort no matter what the reason (and they re-define rape because if you don't fight, end up half dead they say you consented) then they cut funding for middle class and poor women, cut welfare, food, education, etc. See that way you have a child in poverty, you are unable to feed and clothe them, they are unable to get an education, they begin to rob, steal and kill and then they are arrested and they can condemn them to death. It's the Republican's American path to rid the world of everyone who can't pay them off with big bribes and high-paying jobs once they retire.
12:47 PM on 09/15/2011
I`m a brit so dont understand american culture. What strikes me is religious people only care about theirselves. I wonder what god makes of all those salmon fetuses that die every year.
10:45 AM on 09/15/2011
Don't forget to mention the babies conceived by sleeping around with whomever presents themselves on any given drunken night. Don't forget the babies conceived by people who only want friends with bennies. Don't forget that there are consequences to ones actions, and abortion transfers the consequences to the unborn baby not to the unscrupulous mother who wants what she wants when she wants it. Why don't you mention these instances when flouting your scare tactics about the Tea Party when it comes to the morality of accepting the fact that your actions have well deserved consequences. Oh, that's right, it's someone else's fault, isn't it. Daddy never made you smoke the whole pack when he caught you smoking did he? Mommy never scrubbed your mouth out with soap to get rid of all the nasty language coming from your mouth when she caught you swearing did she? Yes, barbaric and absurd but very very effective and personally accountable when you no longer do those things. Now get out there and drive a Prius so you can cut people off in traffic at will. You know you've earned it...Right?
06:19 PM on 09/25/2011
Wow. No wonder you have no fans. From your perspective, all pregnancies are the woman's fault and must include irresponsible behavior on her part, as well.

Alright, ladies. Chime in if you've ever been told by a man that he loves you passionately and wants to marry you (however he chooses to state or imply this) just to get into your pants. Then, add the age ranges during which you were most vulnerable to such manipulation. Add if he plied you with alcohol, too. If you don't speak up, no one will hear you.

Also, if you've ever been date raped and not called the police because you didn't want to be raped a second time by the public via news media, court trials, etc.,, mention that, too. The Jason Phelps's of the world apparently need to be reincarnated as women to understand reality, here, but you just might open the minds of the less rigidly wrong.
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Artos
Down with Tyrants
01:47 PM on 09/14/2011
Without a Federal Government there is no U.S.. We would not then be Americans. These critters running for election are ignoramouses. They cater to those who would welcome Chaos and who in Chaos would wish to ascend to a Throne.  It would be back to the Middle ages and Fiefdoms. The masses would revert to Serfs. This is what these mindless cretins are after.
01:01 PM on 09/15/2011
As a brit american politics seems so polarised to me America is already losing cohesion and is therefore already chaotic, you already have fiefdoms in the shape of lobbyists and suchlike and the masses are already serfs. And please don`t insult actual cretins.
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gettkins
01:36 PM on 09/14/2011
President Barack Obama is not the problem for America the person coming after him is the Horror problem for America ! President Barack Obama was a Vacation for America to have rest and relaxation to be in a period of calm ! Count Dracula will come after President Barack Obama !
11:54 PM on 09/14/2011
Don't sweat it. I doubt that Count Cheney will be running in this election cycle. Maybe in 2016 or 2020, though. (Remember, they don't die. . .)
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gettkins
01:23 PM on 09/14/2011
What is Sulfuric Acid with maple sugar ?
11:56 PM on 09/14/2011
Well, it's awfully hard on your pancakes. . .
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Patootsky
intuition and science
01:20 PM on 09/14/2011
If the Confederacy had won the Civil War there would have been continuous warfare in America for the last 150 years. And not just between North and South. All hell would have broken loose.
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gettkins
01:14 PM on 09/14/2011
First of all American States have a lot of Power and the Federal Government can not control some
State Rights. I will give you an example to my point: I wrote to a Senator about my Pension of my State and he said that is was not a Federal Government ordeal for him to handle, but a State ordeal for me and he send my letter to the State Agency. The Governors, The State Officials have a lot of Power now ! I know what is happening to America the Collapse of the Federal Government to steal from the General Public in all things. The Severe Extreme Greedy Ruthless
Wealth know how to make money from everyone in plain sight ! Steal it
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thmsnnn
12:37 PM on 09/14/2011
What this country deserves is another Republican President. Then we will truly see what can happen when despots rule.
01:00 PM on 09/14/2011
yes, apparently the ongoing "burn" hasn't been hot enough to effect behavioral change.

f & f
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thmsnnn
06:59 PM on 09/15/2011
Thank you, kind fan.
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gettkins
01:16 PM on 09/14/2011
What do you call the condition when people like to Suffer ?
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thmsnnn
06:51 PM on 09/15/2011
Masochism. Although I don't personally find myself to have masochistic tendencies. Of course, I don't see the impending disaster looming over our country, either. Call me different, I guess.
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Mountain Man
11:31 AM on 09/14/2011
Rick Perry has the SOUL of Chuckie..
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ChrisDWard
Real eyes realize real lies
12:13 PM on 09/14/2011
And shifty, dead eyes. Scary!
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gettkins
01:20 PM on 09/14/2011
Rick Perry has just too many flaws and faults to be in the Oval Office. Go on line and read about Rick Perry and his history . Being President require being of the Human Being Race !
11:18 AM on 09/14/2011
Lincoln left us with such a millstone by saving the Union. How much better we'd be today if we didn't have to drag around Texas, South Carolina, Mississippi, Loui-- all of them. Let's secede and let the South fend for itself without all that hateful federal largesse.