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Turkey: Gaza Flotilla Raid Was 'Cause For War'

Turkey Gaza Flotilla Raid

SUZAN FRASER   09/12/11 03:43 PM ET   AP

ANKARA, Turkey — Turkey's prime minister said Monday that Israel's raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla last year was "cause for war" but added that his country showed "patience" and refrained from taking any action.

Erdogan made the comments before departing for a visit to Egypt later on Monday, where he will seek to boost his government's already high standing in the Arab world – a position he has achieved in part by challenging Israel on the world stage.

Erdogan, intent on broadening Turkey's influence in the Middle East and the Arab world, will also visit Tunisia and Libya, two other countries where popular uprisings have ousted autocratic leaders.

Erdogan told Al-Jazeera television in a recent interview that the Israeli raid, which killed eight Turks and a Turkish American on board a Turkish ship trying to break Israel's naval blockade of Gaza, occurred in international waters and was "unlawful." His comments were carried by Turkey's state-run Anatolia news agency late Sunday.

"It is a cause for war, but we decided to act in line with Turkey's grandeur and showed patience," Erdogan said.

An Israeli government spokesman was not immediately available for comment, but Israel insists its naval commandos acted in self-defense after being attacked by some of the activists.

Israel has expressed regret for the loss of lives aboard the flotilla and said Tuesday it was time for the two countries to restore their former close ties.

An Israeli Cabinet minister, Gilad Erdan, insisted that the deterioration of relations with Turkey was not Israel's fault.

"With Turkey, we had a very close relationship in the past, and we still hope that we can improve the relationship with Turkey, but it wasn't our decision to deteriorate the relationship," Erdan said in Jerusalem, adding that Israel was prepared to "pay money to the families" of the victims.

A U.N. report into the raid, released earlier this month, said Israel's naval blockade was legitimate but accused Israel of using "excessive and unreasonable" force in the raid.

Turkey has been angered over Israel's refusal to apologize for the raid.

In response, Turkey this month suspended its military ties with Israel, expelled top Israeli diplomats, pledged to campaign in support of the Palestinians' statehood bid and vowed to send the Turkish navy to escort Gaza-bound aid ships in the future.

Israel insists there is no need for aid to Gaza since it eased restrictions on imports through land crossings, labeling the flotillas political provocations.

Erdogan's visit to Egypt coincides with increasingly troubled ties between Cairo and Israel following an attack on the Israeli embassy there. Israel fears that it is being left increasingly isolated by the Arab Spring, which is changing the power dynamics in the region, alongside tense relations former ally Turkey.

Erdogan "will try to impress (the Arab) public opinion by giving messages clearly emphasizing Turkey's rift with Israel," said Mustafa Turkes of the Middle East Technical University's International Relations Department.

Kamer Kasim of the Ankara-based International Strategic Research Organization said: "The Israeli-Egyptian relations are undergoing change. Israel cannot afford tensions with both Turkey and Egypt. It will have to review its security policies in the Middle East."

Erdan said "it is very, very important" for Israel and for the Egyptians to preserve their peace treaty.

"We hope those radical movements that controlled the protests that we saw last weekend do not represent the 85 million Egyptians in Egypt," Erdan said.

A statement from Erdogan's office said Turkey would emphasize its support to Egypt, Tunisia and Libya in their transition to democracy.

In Egypt, Erdogan will oversee the signing of an agreement to establish a joint council to lead efforts toward a closer "strategic partnership," as well as deals to encourage cooperation, investments and trade, a statement from the Turkish prime minister's office said.

"Our hope now is that the Arab Spring does not turn into a harsh winter," Erdogan told Al-Jazeera, according to Anatolia. "These countries are trying to transform into democratic system from autocratic systems. We have to lend them a helping hand in their efforts."

Erdogan had hoped to be able to cross into Gaza from Egypt, but government officials said Sunday his scheduled would be limited to the three countries.

"Right now, there is no question of my visiting Gaza," Erdogan told a news conference before flying to Cairo on Monday night. "But I would like to clearly say that I am longing to visit Gaza. I am longing to visit to Gaza as soon as possible." He did not elaborate.

"I know that my brothers in Gaza are waiting for me. I too long for Gaza," Erdogan told Al-Jazeera. "Sooner or later, if God allows it, I will go to Gaza.

Erdogan travels to Tunisia on Wednesday and to Libya on Thursday.

Turkey is also eager to resume investments in Libya, where Turkish contractors were involved in 214 building projects worth more than $15 billion before the rebellion that ousted strongman Moammar Gadhafi. Bilateral trade with Libya was $2.4 billion in Turkey's favor before the uprising.

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Associated Press writers Selcan Hacaoglu and Ozgur Akman in Ankara and Daniella Cheslow in Jerusalem contributed to this report.

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kokobin
Against stupidity the gods contend in vain
06:00 AM on 09/16/2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=MrRVCe8TVmg
George Galloway was right.
Hebrew dictator satrap Mubarak is in jail and on trial.
The Gaza blockade at the Rafah border crossing has been lifted by new Egypt.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
03:12 AM on 09/17/2011
kokobin -- please take nutty Galloway to a bar and both of you can have a drink and a party together and revel in each other hatred to Israel.......LMAO
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
11:56 PM on 09/14/2011
It seems that Erdogan political roadmap was well planned and executed per his dream to become the major player in the region, the new emperor of the old Ottoman Empire....

The deteriorat¬ion in relations with Israel started few years back, before the Gaza flotilla which was a calculated step by Turkey, and his dismissal of the Turkish generals, who kept Ataturk's Democracy dream alive, was his crown achievemen¬t so far …..

Erdogan believes his own wishful dream or grandeur and power, vying for the Muslim world hegemony opposite the nutscase called Ahmadineja¬d….. May both lose…..LoL
11:26 AM on 09/14/2011
Sir: Turkeys' so-called patience was operational only until they got the software to over-ride the built in Israel friendly armaments on their warplanes and ships. Let's be real sir!
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Json
Cynical dreamer, sarcastic idealist...
05:17 PM on 09/13/2011
The Palmer report is a fascinating read.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/Palmer-Committee-Final-report.pdf

Here's what they suggested for helping everyone get over this incident...

"An appropriate statement of regret should be made by Israel in respect of the incident in light of its consequences."
(Israel offered to do that)

"Israel should offer payment for the benefit of the deceased and injured victims and their families, to be administered by the two governments through a joint trust fund of a sufficient amount to be decided by them."
(Israel offered to do that as well)

Turkey and Israel should resume full diplomatic relations, repairing their relationship in the interests of stability in the Middle East and international peace and security. The establishment of a political roundtable as a forum for exchanging views could assist to this end.
(Turkey is the one holding this up)
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50Yard
06:28 PM on 09/13/2011
Erdugan game is old and have been plaid for decades. In order to gain cheap popularity in the Arab world act the tough guy on Israel. The Arab world never gained anything through the history of the conflict from the "self proclaimed tough guys". those "tough guys brought only loses and misery. (See Gamal Abdul Nazer)
10:20 PM on 09/13/2011
Hmmmmmm, the UN report stated it beautifully: 1. Israel was within its rights to defend its border, 2. The "Humanitarian Flotilla" was devoid of much humanitarian aid, and 3. The IDF was attacked by the Islamacist activists supported by Turkey.
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STOCKTON JOE
01:42 AM on 09/14/2011
The humans rights report just came out today.......They say the blockade is illegal....take it up with them amigo
03:50 PM on 09/14/2011
1) Guess the new UN report declaring Israels blockade illegal is just as much beautifully stated? 2) Since the flotilla didn't have any aid why did jewdeo pirates stop it? 3) You forgot the part of the report that said the boarding of the ship and the killing of the civilians was excessive force and unreasonable and that the loss of life was unacceptable and later treatment of passengers was abusive, was that part of the report stated beautifully also?
kokobin
Against stupidity the gods contend in vain
05:04 PM on 09/13/2011
The Hebrew 2 State Myth

They have zero interest in changing the status quo.
18 years after signing of peace accords and still no negotiated deal. Until President Obama came into office, when they knew that a new sheriff is in town, and he is not going to play that rightwing game of do-nothing anymore. The Arabs took notice but the Hebrews hide behind AIPAC-owned congress to play the 4 year presidenti­al-electio­n cycle delay game. Only then, under duress, did leader Nat-no-no accept 2 states deal in principle, but accelerate­d settlement expansion. On Arabs' lands. Since signing Oslo accords, the Hebrews settlement expansion has tripled.
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Anybodyseenthepopos
אני כלום בלעדיהם
12:27 AM on 09/14/2011
Actually he honored the halt to settlement building for the agreed upon time and the Palestinians walked out on the negotiations, and the the PA decided to team up with Hamas. Good luck with your fairytale.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
02:42 AM on 09/14/2011
kokobin -- and what about the other parts of the Oslo accord, recognizing Israel, renouncing violence, coming to the negotiation table with no precondition……
kokobin
Against stupidity the gods contend in vain
03:45 AM on 09/14/2011
“kokobin -- and what about the other parts of the Oslo accord, recognizin­g Israel, renouncing violence, coming to the negotiatio­n table with no preconditi­on……”
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Pilgrim, what do you think? And in answering, consider the Hebrew preconditions whilst accelerating settlements construction. Consider also Nanonano's President Obama arm-twisting vis-a-vis the 2 state model, after 18 years of Hebrews' stalling tactics.
04:12 PM on 09/13/2011
Well Well Well what do we have here, UN independent panel rules Israel blockade of Gaza illegal, so all those zios that were jumping up and down at the palmer report (that's focus was reconciliation between Turkey and Israel instead of the law) should also accept this ruling since it actually looks at the blockade per rule of law.

"An earlier fact-finding mission named by the same UN forum to investigate the flotilla incident also found in a report last September that the blockade violated international law. The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) says the blockade violates the Geneva Conventions."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/un-independent-panel-rules-israel-blockade-of-gaza-illegal-1.384267
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JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
04:52 PM on 09/13/2011
I believe that in response to the Palmer Report's finding that the blockade is legal you were busy declaring that the report was not legally binding and therefore not very important. Did you change your mind about these non-binding reports?

BTW, the report you currently cite misapplies the rule against collective punishment.
05:13 PM on 09/13/2011
I wasn't the one jumping up and down at the Palmer report did you change your mind about this report? What no jumping up and down for this report =) Hypocrisy run a much.

The palmer report had facts in it that 9 civilians were shot with excessive force that fact can't be denied but for the palmer report to go in to the legality of the blockade was ridiculous it was set up to look at the killings, that report was meant to blame both sides and defuse the situation more political than anything. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of you and the rest of your lot if you cheer on one report you should also be cheering this one on no? Not to your liking? What's the matter. This report isn't legally binding but it holds merit since they actually looked at the legality of the blockade. Oh of course an ardent supporter of occupation and blockade thinks the report misapplies the rule against collective punishment, go tell it to the Gazans who have been persecuted and killed.

Doesn't look good for Israels blockade at the ICJ.
10:22 PM on 09/13/2011
Calidudeee-----most of the Israeli detractors use the term "illegal" to describe any form of self defense Israel engages in. The West Bank wall that stopped the legal Palestinian suicide terror that killed thousands of israelis, that is "illegal." The blockade of Gaza keeping Iranian and Syrian arms from hamas, is illegal.
11:15 PM on 09/13/2011
How is it legal the ICJ ruled it illegal.

The blockade is illegal according to the 4th Geneva convention article 33

Collective punishments

Article 33. No protected person may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.
Pillage is prohibited.
Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
03:35 AM on 09/17/2011
jerry -- illegal shmeligal.... this war and in war there are no rules for ONE side only, since Hamas flaunts all Int'l Conventions and basic Human rights, it is hilarious for all those Israel haters like Calidud to even mention such items, it is laughable……
03:54 PM on 09/13/2011
This is Turkey we're talking about her not a bunch of rock throwing Palestinians, the settler nation doesn't want any part of Turkey.
04:19 PM on 09/13/2011
*here
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JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
04:24 PM on 09/13/2011
You sound rather angry.
04:59 PM on 09/13/2011
Quite the opposite actually, go tell it to your zio buddies who advocate killing civilians =)
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nkurland
I'm going to leave this planet alive
02:55 PM on 09/13/2011
What happened on those ships is clear enough, but Turkey's reaction will be far more important. Because of Israel's refusal to apologize, trade and militarily relations have now been suspended, meaning Israel has effectively lost its last major regional ally. The state can no longer count on Mubarak's sales of natural gas below market value or tacit support for the blockade of Gaza.

This is what the pro-Israeli crowd continues to miss; the country is well past the point where they could forego regional integration with the help of U.S. aid and a few friendly regimes. They've effectively chosen to remain a U.S. client state, with all the associated consequences.
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JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
04:25 PM on 09/13/2011
Oh, I think they'll do just fine.
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foxfury
01:17 PM on 09/13/2011
There is no way Turkey would go to war with Israel. Never gonna happen.
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BannedInBoston
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
02:06 PM on 09/13/2011
Have to agree. The Turks would be very, very stupid to pick a fight with Israel whatever the justice of their cause. As it is, they're just, as Richard Widmark says in "Madigan," "Full of tough guy talk."
03:25 PM on 09/13/2011
Seems like Israel is "full of tough guy talk" with their suggestion about supporting the pkk and backing off that suggestion. Israel doesn't want any part of the Turkish military they aren't the Jordanian army and Israel knows that full well.
03:18 PM on 09/13/2011
Actually, unless their prime minister can incite enough emotion in the masses (a common tactic in the Arab Middle East) my guess would be if he tried to go to war with Israel his people would revolt given the progress and prosperity of the last ten years in Turkey. One of the things that keeps most Arab nations on the floor economically is their inability to co exist with each other.
04:17 PM on 09/13/2011
"a common tactic in the Arab Middle East"

Don't count yourself out of that one Jewish leaders have always used the "threat" to control their population and scare them in to voting for people who have no intention of making peace.
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Emine1113
07:46 PM on 09/13/2011
Jerry Levy, Turks are not Arabs...How ignorant can you get?
12:37 PM on 09/13/2011
Please correct me if I'm wriong. Was everyone below deck at the time the Israelis attempted to board the ship except for the 9 Turks. If not. how many were still on deck. Had the rest been told to stay down below. If there were others on deck, how did they avoid being killed. Did they run down below. The Israelis went down below to recover their two comrades. There were people in their way. Did the Israelis fire any shots, or did they hold fire because no one was engaging in any violence towards them.
01:48 PM on 09/13/2011
To answer some of your questions, there were approximately 600 aboard the ship and several dozen people were on the top deck when groups of Israeli soldiers began boarding, dropping from helicopters, 3 fifteen man teams descended on ropes. Some flotilla members claim commandos fired before boarding, commandos deny this and the is no evidence to support it.

Members of the special ops teams were hit with sticks and clubs when they landed, one commando, reportedly was knifed. In response, several commando open fire which sent the remaining members of the flotilla below deck. Details of what happened below deck are unclear.

The key fact is that the ship was in international waters when boarded. The UN report fails to address this point. Rules of engagement are completely different in contrast to rules applicable when a vessel enters a countries jurisdiction.
01:58 PM on 09/13/2011
Thank you
03:23 PM on 09/13/2011
The UN report states specifically that the commandos did NOT fire before boarding, they boarded only after repeated warnings from the IDF to turn around, and once on board were attacked with knives and metal clubs by some of the activists on the boat. Virtually no humanitarian (or any other) aid was on any of the ships. This was a provocation set up by pro Palestinian and Islamacist groups out of Turkey to break the arms blockade and allow Iranian and Syrian arms to be shipped to Gaza. That is the objective of all who want this blockade to be broken. It is hoped that the Israelis will then face increased attacks from well armed Gazans and a war will break out that will destroy Israel.
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MarcEdward
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01:55 PM on 09/13/2011
I doubt we'll ever know the truthful answers to your questions, as both sides have their own POV (and reasons to lie).
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Seawolf56
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12:25 PM on 09/13/2011
Funny how the Turks are now being attacked by the typical supporters of Israel!! It looks like the saying "Screw America I Stand with Israel" bumper sticker is true!! Time to cut all foriegn aid till everyone starts to behave! Hey if it were about love and peace, no one would be complaining!
02:23 PM on 09/13/2011
If only China would halt all financial assistance to warmongering rogue nations then the world would be a more peaceful place. Well, Iraq and Afghanistan would be at least…
03:24 PM on 09/13/2011
"Screw America I Stand with Israel" bumper sticker is true!!

I have never seen this bumper sticker
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haimchaim
12:09 PM on 09/13/2011
the demands of Turkey comes after 1 year .. just because Israel apologized to Egypt .. the Turks are looking for the same attachments of material ways & are causing problems . what began the other day will continue tomorrow this a deeply loyal & thoughtful time .