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Carville Advises Obama To 'Panic,' Fire People And Make A Bunch Of Politically Motivated Indictments To Win In 2012

First Posted: 09/15/2011 1:39 pm Updated: 11/15/2011 4:12 am

Hey, America. Are you ready for a political "advice" column that has the sentence, "There were enough deaths at Stalingrad to make the entire tea party collectively orgasm" in its fifth paragraph? Or that makes the basic suggestion that President Barack Obama should "panic"? Because that's what former Clinton aide-de-camp James Carville is advising over at CNN's opinion page.

Actually, those are probably the key moments when the hot cobra venom hits Carville's adrenal glands. The rest of the column, frankly, makes some nominal sense if you've been paying attention to what's going on in America, and parts of it -- parts! -- will probably be heard pretty sympathetically by people who still wish success for the Obama administration. Though that whole "panicking" part, does that ever work in a re-election year? Carville thinks so, and his first prescription for Obama is to fire a bunch of people:

Bill Clinton fired many people in 1994 and took a lot of heat for it. Reagan fired most of his campaign staff in 1980. Republicans historically fired their own speaker, Newt Gingrich. Bush fired Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. For God's sake, why are we still looking at the same political and economic advisers that got us into this mess? It's not working.

Hey now. Everyone understands that Bush didn't "fire" Rumsfeld until after his party received an off-year election beatdown in 2006, right? And so it's pretty dumb to include that as an example to support your premise that firing a bunch of people leads to electoral success. And we're clear that one of the things that attracted people to Obama in the first place was that he remained pretty composed and level-headed back in 2008, when John McCain was suggesting he'd fire SEC Chairman Christopher Cox? So, do you think a frantic purge of Obama administration officials would earn a bunch of positive press, or would it instead lead to a bunch of stories about how the Obama administration is flailing under the pressure?

By the way, some of the people who might replace the folks Obama might fire at Carville's suggestion (Eric Holder is specifically cited; Tim Geithner is strongly implied) would require Senate confirmation. I imagine that the Republicans in the Senate would be perfectly amenable to a swift confirmation process, and would not at all gum up the works with filibusters and procedural delays at all.

But, okay, moving on to Carville's next suggestion, which is basically: Charge everyone involved in the 2008 financial crisis with crimes already:

There are certain people in American finance who haven't been held responsible for utterly ruining the economic fabric of our country. Demand from the attorney general a clear status of the state of investigation concerning these extraordinary injustices imposed upon the American people. I know Attorney General Eric Holder is a close friend of yours, but if his explanations aren't good, fire him too. Demand answers to why no one has been indicted.

Now this I can get behind! Holding someone responsible for the financial crisis would help Obama tap in to some of that populist discontent that's still surging through the electorate, and that the GOP is successfully redirecting at public sector employees and schoolteachers in a down-to-the-last-scrap war between the have-nots and the other have-nots. (In fact, this is a good reason to hold people accountable right away.)

Of course, I'm pretty sure that the reason this sort of accountability hasn't happened has very little to do with Eric Holder and his "explanations." I have a good feeling that the reason it hasn't happened is that Democrats from Obama on down are kinda-sorta hoping that some of the "certain people in American finance who haven't been held responsible for utterly ruining the economic fabric of our country" will help fund their re-election bids, in order to keep up with their opponents, who will be funded by the rest of the "certain people in American finance who haven't been held responsible for utterly ruining the economic fabric of our country." This is sort of a party-wide problem. (And if we're being honest, being beholden to Wall Street interests was a feature of the administration for which Carville toiled.)

Carville also wants Obama to "make the case like a Democrat." He says, "While we are going along with the Republican austerity garbage, who is making the case against it? It's not the Democrats!" Again, however, this sounds like a Democratic Party-wide problem, as many, many Democratic lawmakers have very willingly gone along with turning tricks for the austerity pimps. What is Obama supposed to do about that, if he was inclined to put a stop to it (which he isn't, it seems)? Fire them, somehow? Indict them, for some reason? Per Carville, apparently this all has something to do with a guy at the Congressional Budget Office who has a last name that Carville thinks is silly:

We are allowing the over-educated, over-explanatory bureaucrat by the name of (Congresssional Budget Office director Douglas) Elmendorf do all the talking. Do not let him make your case.

Okay, so someone should fire and/or indict Douglas Elmendorf on the grounds that he has an education and a job in which he's tasked with explaining things? Which battleground state does this move lock up?

Again, like a lot of others, I'd love to see some people go to jail -- iron bars and bread crusts and orange jumpsuit jail! -- for the 2008 financial crisis. (I also sort of think that people who destroy an entire coastline with oil and negligence should not be walking around as free men, either!) And I would love for the Obama economic team to get a lot less Geithner-y and become a lot more Volcker-y/Stiglitz-y. Again, I am utterly confused by this beef with Douglas Elmendorf (though the CBO is basically the fair-weather friend of every partisan hack in Washington), but I can understand why a guy like Carville is so motivated: "As I watch the Republican debates, I realize that we are on the brink of a crazy person running our nation."

Nevertheless, I remain convinced that panic and frenzy and sudden purges just don't work as a means to overcome election-year opponents (if it did, perhaps John McCain would be president right now). And if the shoe were on the other foot, I think James Carville would offer Cajun-style denunciations of politically-motivated indictments. But the salient point is this: In this particular election, the economic fundamentals are bad, and that's the primary headwind that Obama is facing in terms of his re-election hopes. While it might be good and right and just to fire someone or to send someone to jail, these aren't things that are going to bring about a sudden economic recovery that alters these fundamentals.

Beyond that, I'm pretty sure that "The Complete History Of Unambiguously Effective Presidential Manic Panic Freakouts" is a zero-page book that takes zero minutes to write. In fact, I just wrote it! Buy it today, wherever books are not sold, for no dollars. Instead of succumbing to the madness of the hour, I'd recommend brushing up on one's Kipling!

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What should the White House do? Panic! [CNN]

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leonel
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11:36 PM on 09/28/2011
Advising Obama to panic is a non-starter. Like telling zebras to do you know what.

What will reelect Mr. Obama is being a cool character in a world almost spinning out of control.

Not that it really is, just that Americans are a little spooked.

Our world is becoming so completely psychological and subjective, that political persons and media types better get a little better educated, or they might get left behind.

But not to worry, as you will be reading about it soon enough.
11:56 PM on 09/18/2011
What crappy journalism this article is. Sheesh. Report... don't apologize for anyone.

Looks to me like Carville should be the lead negotiator on taxes, war, health care, EPA... etc etc
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tmaxPA
10:48 PM on 09/18/2011
I stopped reading at the point you said that lack of indictments was a fund-raising strategy. With that kind of thinking I might be skipping the Sunday Soundoff as well. I have a very low tolerance for Obamaphobic cynicism in my media these days.
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laurieanichols
je pense donc, je suis
10:24 AM on 09/18/2011
I would also love to see all the C.E.O's of the big banks be investigated by the F.B.I. white collar division (which by the way needs to be restocked because it has been severely neglected), indicted and then sent to prison. Would make my day, I want there to be campaign financing reform where the grotesquely criminal Citizens United ruling is thrown out and Clarence Thomas is retired from his services on the bench, I'd love Scalia to join him as well. Then Wall Street and the Koch brothers can be eliminated as political donors and it would get back to the basics. The revolving door between congress, the military and Wall Street and Defense contractors has to be stopped, terminated. Is it too much to ask that a public servant be happy with 174K, health care insurance, pension, I mean it is a good paying job. Finally the news media has to go back to doing its duty as laid out in the constitution. Since it has become as everything else beholden to corporate masters, it has not been doing the public any service whatsoever in asking the in depth questions, inciting real debate between opponents, asking a question such as who do you really serve, your campaign donors or your constituents and then give them examples as to why you are asking the question. That is my wish list for today, somebody please get cracking, time's a wasting.
10:16 PM on 09/17/2011
Weiner's district was just lost... Heavily democrat always by the way... Someone remember Wisconsin???

Keep on believing that your own micro universe is representative... 2012 is the republican's to lose unless there is another candidate, Obama is toast, I for one am tired of rhetoric and no action. "Republicans are worse", yeah I know, but I am not the type that thinks, "... the lesser of two evils..."

I will support a candidate that stands for something... Enough of these snake oil sales men mangling our country... Hold Wall Street accountable, stop calling them entitlements, start taxing corporations that want to do business in the USA.

Here's the white elephant in the room... Bank Cartel, Free trade... Want to save the economy? Level the playing field in the global economy... Unless we all want to end up working for $12 a day like the Chinese, because they is our competition, corporations have made it clear that they don't give a hoot about American people, all they care for is money... I for one refuse to buy anything that is not American made.
07:53 PM on 09/17/2011
My vote isn't written in stone until I see if he's going to sell us out on Medicare and Social Security. Passing it off to someone else or a committee is selling us out to repugs/tea baggers. What happened to taking a stand, having some guts?
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sal ear
Hey, how are you?
05:14 PM on 09/17/2011
Is James Carrville losing his grip.....?

Even IF one assumes his advice is correct, he made a very POOR decision to articulate it the way he did on CNN......I was INCREDULOUS that he made such an ERROR.

This harms the DEMOCRATIC PARTY......Has he become a Republican?
lovelygirl33
Fiscally Christian, Socially Inclusive
08:06 PM on 09/17/2011
No, that would be Obama. He's a Republican until I see a public option, the Bush tax cuts expire, and Soc Sec amounts brought to at least poverty level, and Medicare/Medicaid protected.
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sal ear
Hey, how are you?
09:19 PM on 09/17/2011
You missed my point.....Carville undermined Democratic Prez B Obama - what OTHER DEMOCRATIC candidate is AVAILABLE???? It's Obama or a REPUBLICAN PREZ in 2012 - it's really important to grasp this!

I would agree that Obama may not have the skills/ability to face down the CRISIS he inherited from Bush. Our economy is broken. Obama didn't BREAK the economy, it was handed to him when he took office.

ALSO, the current Congress is REPUBLICAN, with many extremists (Tea Party lunatics) in charge - voted in by foolish/misguided Tea Party voters.

Congress will NOT work w/Obama. Obama may not have the political strength/power to fight the battle w/REPUBLICAN CONGRESS.

So you think OBAMA is a Republican???? At worst, he's simply ineffective - I'm on YOUR side, but how is Obama going to accomplish what you've described????
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FunkSands
Baby shoes for sale, never worn.
12:17 PM on 09/17/2011
Carville makes some good points.  Am I the only one that remembers armies of Bush and Clinton lieutenants going on offense on every tv show, radio show and editorial page anytime their guy was challenged?  Too often  Obama seems to be working solo.
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sal ear
Hey, how are you?
05:21 PM on 09/17/2011
you make a good point, and you may be right - but Carville really screwed up! How did Carville's COMMENTS help the Democratic Party????

How did Carville BENEFIT the ONLY Democratic candidate we'll have for re-election in 2012?????????

I was apalled & stunned as I watched him torpedo his OWN PARTY [Obama = Dem Prez]......Carville's still a Democratic, I guess? Or has he become a Republican?
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ugly american
"I drank what?"- Last words of Socrates
11:05 AM on 09/17/2011
A vote for Obama in 2012 is the only sane move.
That being said, Obama does need to lose alot of excess baggage that he has been getting very poor advice from. Among those are Daley, Geitner, Bernanke, Solis and others.
Mostly he needs to stop acting like Herbert Hoover. He is not going to get us out of the Depression by "friending" the Banksters. They are some of the ones who helped us get into the Depression. FDR was proud to have them as enemies and he should be too.
Obama definitely needs to do something different, because three years into his presidency what he's done so far isn't nearly enough.
If he stops acting like a Republican, the People may not be as willing to follow one of the current crop of nutters that party is offering.
lovelygirl33
Fiscally Christian, Socially Inclusive
08:12 PM on 09/17/2011
"FDR was proud to have them as enemies and he should be too."

FDR didn't need their millions, but how I would love to hear Obama say that too! Completely agree with your post. F&F!
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anotherwomanfromva
Got social security, thank a democrat
10:37 AM on 09/17/2011
I swear if the repubs weren't a party of crazies with heartless policies, I'd vote with them. I cannot stomach the dems who run scared every chance they get. The latest polls have Obama still ahead of every republican candidate and Carville wants him to start panicking. Completely bad advice.
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sal ear
Hey, how are you?
05:32 PM on 09/17/2011
maybe it was good advice? perhaps Obama has poor advisers/staff, who need to go? Maybe Obama needs to act fast/get the Econ & his Presidency on track - obviously, this is TOUGH work, but Obama wanted the JOB. Now he needs to DO IT.

But Carville was RIDICULOUS & UNWISE to convey his message in this way!

EXTREMELY POOR DELIVERY/BAD MISTAKE by Carville......
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WhiteGuy
I'll drink the Tea you drink the KoolAid
10:34 AM on 09/17/2011
Did Carville shave something and is now walking backwards?
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nana-anne
just trying to make sense of the senseless
10:01 AM on 09/17/2011
Jimmy Boy, I thought you smart enough to see that the greatest asset of a true leader is his or her ability NOT TO PANIC. When confronting the gravest of problems and circumstances, people look to the calmest, most rational, thoughtful person to lead them to safety. The loud mouth alarmist who keeps stating the problem without offering a solution, those who weep over the situation and how it will destroy us all, the followers who only step up to complain when backed by a group of the equally inept, NEVER inspire others except the totally ignorant, to follow them. THANK GOD WE HAVE OUR NON-PANICING PRESIDENT.
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ugly american
"I drank what?"- Last words of Socrates
11:12 AM on 09/17/2011
They call him "No Drama Obama" for a reason.
A trait he shares with another former president.
Unfortunately, Calvin Coolidge would not be a good president for times like these either.
09:02 AM on 09/17/2011
Have to say that I'll still vote for PObama, at this time, he's still the "only" adult in the room.
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WhiteGuy
I'll drink the Tea you drink the KoolAid
10:36 AM on 09/17/2011
I think its time for you diaper change.
07:36 AM on 09/17/2011
I think James Carville forgot to take his ADHD MEDS. I am glad that we have a president that is level headed and does not let the news media or the talking pundits sway him in the wrong direction for the county. If all of these people that do not like the way President Obama is running the county, then they should run for president. I think James Carville is a closet Tea Party member, his personality fits the mean spirit of the Tea Party movement.