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Do Atheists Have A Sexism Problem?

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First Posted: 09/15/11 02:08 PM ET Updated: 11/15/11 05:12 AM ET

By Kimberly Winston
Religion News Service

(RNS) Rebecca Watson meant it as a funny story, almost an aside.

In a video blog, the popular skeptic blogger recalled a man following her into an empty elevator and inviting her up to his room
after she spoke about feminism at a European atheist conference last June.

"Guys," she said with a bit of a laugh, "don't do that."

Hers and other atheist/skeptic blogs were soon flooded with comments. Many women told of receiving unwanted sexual advances at freethinker gatherings. Some men, meanwhile, ridiculed Watson as overly sensitive or worse -- or threatened her with rape, mutilation and murder.

Before she knew it, Watson, 30, was subsumed by what everyone now calls "Elevatorgate." And when best-selling atheist author Richard Dawkins chimed in, the incident went nuclear.

"Stop whining, will you," Dawkins wrote in one of three comments on Pharyngula, a popular freethinker blog, comparing her experience to that of a fictional Muslim woman who had been beaten by her husband and genitally mutilated. "For goodness' sake grow up, or at least grow a thicker skin."

Now, more than a month after "Elevatorgate" erupted, freethinkers are assessing its meaning. Many acknowledge they have a "woman problem" -- men outnumber women at atheist gatherings, both at the podium and in the audiences.

Yet many, including Watson, say Elevatorgate is less a calamity and more an opportunity to welcome women and other minorities into a community that's long been dominated by white men.

"The majority of emails I have gotten have been from men who said, 'I had no idea what women in this community went through, and thank you for opening my eyes,'" Watson said. "There has actually been a net benefit coming out of this that I think has made everything worthwhile."

No one is suggesting the freethought community is more sexist than other segments of society -- after all, the most famous American atheist, the late Madalyn Murray O'Hair, was a woman.

Nonetheless, the incident has struck a chord, perhaps because atheists and other skeptics pride themselves on reason and logic -- intellectual exercises that theoretically compute to equality.

The problem, they agree, is long-standing. Women veterans of the movement recall meetings in the 1970s where 80 percent of attendees were men.

"I think the essential problem that women have in the movement is that they are greatly outnumbered," said Susan Jacoby, author of "Freethinkers." "When you talk about women atheists, there is less of a pool than men. Women are more religious than men, therefore there are fewer women active in this movement than there are men. So you are starting with a smaller pool and that is a fact."

But that is slowly changing. The 2008 American Religious Identification Survey found a 60-40 percent breakdown among men and women who say they who have no religion. Yet women make up 52 percent of the broader population.

Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation, notes that while men might fill their gatherings, women often lead freethought organizations. She has directed FFRF's local chapters to use more women -- at least 50 percent -- in their billboard and bus banner ads.

"We want to be proactive and make sure there is diversity," she said. "The movement is big enough now."

That is reflected in a new "Women in Secularism" conference announced in August by the Center for Inquiry. The conference, billed as the first of its kind, will be held in May in Washington, D.C., and will feature an all-female lineup.

"A lot of us think it is long overdue," said Melody Hensley, executive director of the center's Washington office and the organizer
of the event, which will include Jacoby, Watson and Gaylor. "If you have women leaders, you are going to have more women. So this conference is a step forward to attract more women to the cause."

P.Z. Myers, Pharyngula's founding author, a 25-year veteran of the atheist community and an ardent supporter of Watson, said when he is asked to speak at events he routinely asks if women will be invited to speak -- a suggestion he said never meets with resistance.

But Elevatorgate, he said, "was different ... It opened our eyes to the importance of diversity in the movement, and when you do that, you sometimes discover there are fringes to your diversity that you don't really like."

That, he continued, creates "an interesting problem for us."

"We want to be welcoming to everyone and we don't want to tell men who have been active in the movement for 20 years we don't want you. What we would really like to do is educate these men to be a little more sensitive."

Watson would like that too.

"I thought it was a safe space," Watson said of the freethought community. "The biggest lesson I have learned over the years is that it is not a safe space and we have a lot of growing to do. The good news is there are a lot of people within the community who are interested in making it better and getting rid of our prejudices."

Prominent Women in the Freethought Community:

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is the founder of the AHA Foundation, which seeks to protect women and girls from fundamentalist Islam. In her best-selling memoir, "Infidel," the former Dutch politician described her religiously-inspired genital mutilation and journey to atheism.

Greta Christina is a freelance writer who runs an influential blog on atheism, feminism, gay-lesbian issues and other topics. She will speak at the Center for Inquiry's Women in Secularism conference.

R. Elisabeth Cornwell is the executive director of the U.S. branch of the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science, which supports science education and critical thinking against religious fundamentalism. She originated the organization's "OUT Campaign," which encourages atheists to publicly declare their beliefs.

Annie Laurie Gaylor is the co-president (with her husband, Dan Barker) of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, which bills itself as the country's largest freethought organization. Her 1997 book, "Women Without Superstition," is the inspiration for the Center For Inquiry's Women in Secularism Conference.

Jennifer Michael Hecht is a poet and historian whose books "Doubt: A History" and "The End of the Soul: Scientific Modernity, Atheism and Anthropology in France" were best-sellers and award winners. She teaches at Columbia University and The New School.

Melody Hensley is the executive director of the Center for Inquiry's Washington office and the driving force behind its upcoming Women in Secularism conference, the first of its kind.

Susan Jacody is an independent scholar who has written 10 books, including "Freethinkers: A History of American Secularism." She writes the Spirited Atheist column for The Washington Post's On Faith website.

Eugenie C. Scott is the executive director of the National Center for Science Education, a position she's held since 1987. A
self-described secular humanist, she has been instrumental in promoting science education -- especially evolution -- in school districts across America.

Toni Van Pelt is the director and treasurer of The Institute for Science and Human Values, which promotes and encourages scientific inquiry and human values. She is a congressional lobbyist and was instrumental in establishing the first public policy offices of the humanist movement in Washington.

Rebecca Watson is the founder and contributor of the Skepchick blog, which was founded in 2005 to promote skepticism among women. She is also host of The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe podcast. She speaks frequently at freethinker conferences on feminism and the religious right.

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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
05:09 AM on 11/02/2011
Seriously...

No means no.

But when someone asks, you say no and then that's the end of it...

You don't get to label that exchange as sexual harassment...not without diluting and marginalizing all of the legitimate examples of harassment.
09:05 PM on 11/01/2011
Nerds should know better than to hit on women.
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onionboy
Blessed are the Cheese Makers
06:37 PM on 11/01/2011
It IS sad if true. When you consider how many religious philosophies make women into second-class citizens, it would be appropriate for organizations of non-faith provide an open environment. I won't go as far as to say welcoming because a room fool of skeptics (of which I am one) can be a contentious place. If you haven't shown up to debate something, don't show up.
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TheWM
aka The Wrong Monkey
06:20 PM on 11/01/2011
PS: Hey look, there's an HP Atheism page now!

I mean, HP will probably continue to attack atheism more than give it a voice, but, hey, we got a page!
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Chockolate
Four swirling square pegs in a round hole.
08:15 AM on 11/02/2011
I don't see there's anything to attack. We collectively don't believe in all the things the believers choose to selectively dismiss - nothing to report!

I only see a benefit in making atheism 'Atheism' if we can get a tax free status!
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TheWM
aka The Wrong Monkey
11:47 AM on 11/02/2011
"I don't see there's anything to attack."

There's no rational reason to attack us, but religion was never about rationality.

I only capitalized "Atheism" because it was capitalized at the top of the HP, the same way I capitalize "Religion when I'm referring to the HP Religion page. But big-A or little-a, I think there are things to report. The reporting just doesn't have to be as ignorant and fearful as HP's reports on atheism usually are.
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TheWM
aka The Wrong Monkey
06:18 PM on 11/01/2011
Hm, is it possible that this actually has nothing to do with atheism, and is only at the top of HP's Atheism page because RNS and HP have a problem with atheism?
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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
03:57 PM on 11/01/2011
A sexual advance can't be "unwanted" until it's actually advanced.

You do a great disservice to actual sexual harassment when you call someone hitting on you that you don't like "harassment".

If nothing more than that happened, I agree with Dawkins.

You are hurting the cause of women who do need help looking for attention.
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Chockolate
Four swirling square pegs in a round hole.
08:16 AM on 11/02/2011
But... but... but... what about her FEELINGS????
02:19 PM on 11/04/2011
wasn't about her feelings. it was about her mittens.
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08:54 AM on 11/01/2011
Err, no. What the article shows is that men can be - to put it in a light way - jackasses with or without a religion.
09:43 PM on 10/31/2011
No we don't.
03:15 PM on 11/01/2011
What do you mean "we", pale face?
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onionboy
Blessed are the Cheese Makers
06:34 PM on 11/01/2011
You disgusting whig!!!

You people are ruining the country with your...whatever it is whigs do.
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Nemo Oudeheis
Whoever is not busy being born is busy dying.
06:53 PM on 10/31/2011
At least we don't have to waste time wondering whether our Imaginary Friend is a he or a she. Or whether or not to ordain women.
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SmotPoker
Medical Marijuana saved my life.
03:56 PM on 11/01/2011
Or whom is sleeping with whom....
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Chockolate
Four swirling square pegs in a round hole.
08:17 AM on 11/02/2011
Or defining whatever this funny thing called marriage is.
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Bob Wood
A.T.C.G...(sigh)
02:45 PM on 10/31/2011
OK...women are attractive to men. ( who knew ). Hopefully, at least some men are also attractive to women. ( personally I've always hoped to be included in that number...but time grows short ). If a man finds an attractive woman on an elevator...and they're alone, ( this is important because us men hate witnesses to our failures ) the man may make a pass. Most of us will accept " No "...eventually. ( everybody knows the first " No " is obligatory on the part of the woman...maybe even two "Nos'' are necessary ). For those of us who consider ourselves gentlmen...in the end..."No" will carry the day and the object of our hopes and desire will be left with respect and dignity. If this occurs more often at congregations of freethinkers...it must be due to the less availability of women at such gatherings. I suspect the the sexual impulse is fairly unaffectected by ideology and more affected by biochemistry. Sometimes we think too hard. Man is obligated by his nature to ask...woman is obligated by her inclination to accept or reject the request...man is obligated by his character to accept her response. ( Gently with the negative responses ladies...gently, if you please )...(sigh)
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hawaiianstile
all hail the balance of nature.
08:33 AM on 10/31/2011
i fail to see what this has to do with atheism. a guy saw an opportunity to try a pick up, she wasn't interested, and that was the end. how on earth is this news, it happens a billion times a minute.
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alsm9
Bombshell
02:38 PM on 10/31/2011
I don't think that's the issue is it? As the article starts off saying, Watson's intent in telling the story was with humour. It was the reaction that is more concerning.

"Some men, meanwhile, ridiculed Watson as overly sensitive or worse -- or threatened her with rape, mutilation and murder."

Seriously??? And they called her overly sensative???
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hawaiianstile
all hail the balance of nature.
02:47 PM on 10/31/2011
still the title of the article fails to point out where the real focus should be. on the reactions of others to the story, not the story its self or any assumptions based on it.
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Chockolate
Four swirling square pegs in a round hole.
08:19 AM on 11/02/2011
You can find any article on the internet and once it gains enough popularity there will always be the odd threats of rape, mutilation and murder. Yay for anonymity.
10:16 PM on 10/30/2011
Why do things this small get so blown up. As others have said, a guy hit on a woman, she said no, end of story.

Now if he perseisted and became a creep or nuisance the there is an issue, but really that didn't happen.

People really, really, really need to just calm down. After reading through several pages of comments between atheists and theists and now this I have concluded, people get offended far too easily. I am really scared of the world we will enter when every attemp to flirt is met with a sexual harassment lawsuit. Get over yourselves people.
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07:29 PM on 10/31/2011
So as long as he didn't become a creep there is no issue? The threats of rape, mutilation and murder from the other males is ok though? Incidentally, following a women into an empty elevator and asking her to come to your hotel room isn't flirting, it is threatening. Deal with reality and get over yourself.
11:49 AM on 11/01/2011
threats of rape, mutilation and murder - Are criminal offences.

Following a women into an empty elevator and asking her to come to your hotel room isn't flirting, it is threatenin­g.

No it's not, while it may be tacky/crude/vulgar, and most definitely awkward for the women, it's a consequence of living in a free society - Everyone is entitled to "hit" on whomever they please, no matter how repugnant the subject of those advances believes her suitor to be.
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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
04:05 PM on 11/01/2011
No...following a woman into an empty elevator and DEMANDING that she come to your hotel room is threatening.

Stop crying wolf.
09:46 PM on 10/30/2011
Are people really that naive as to think that racism, sexism, and homophobia are merely memes floating in religious peoples heads?
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Chockolate
Four swirling square pegs in a round hole.
08:20 AM on 11/02/2011
Religious people do tend to hang on to some odd notions without ever addressing them.
12:09 PM on 11/02/2011
Granted. However, living in S. California I have met my fair share of secular: homophobes, sexists, racists, etc. Let's not pretend that these problems are exclusively (or even primarily) problems with religion.
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05:21 AM on 10/30/2011
When I was young and nubile i got hit on all the time. The only thing the hitters had in common was that they were male (mostly).
I do not think the issue has anything to do with atheism.
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Bob Wood
A.T.C.G...(sigh)
02:53 PM on 10/31/2011
I'd bet not many hitters asked if you were an atheist or not...(sigh)