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Michele Bachmann's Goof On HPV Won't Shield Rick Perry From Tough Questions In Iowa

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First Posted: 09/15/11 05:07 PM ET Updated: 11/15/11 05:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Michele Bachmann may have given Rick Perry some cover from the HPV vaccine issue in the national media, but as the Texas governor arrives in Iowa on Thursday, conservatives in the first-in-the-nation caucus state still have doubts and questions about Perry, on that issue and others.

Perry's record on the HPV vaccine is "not going to play well," said Bob Vander Plaats, an Iowa conservative leader.

Craig Robinson, a former Iowa Republican Party official who is now a full-time political blogger, wrote Thursday that Perry's 2007 mandate that sixth-grade girls be vaccinated against the human papilloma virus is not likely to fade in voters' minds, largely because it raises significant questions about who Perry is at his core.

"What the debate over Perry's HPV mandate has really done is brought in to question Perry's character and convictions," wrote Robinson on his blog, The Iowa Republican. "That is why the HPV issue has gained more traction and attention in recent weeks than Perry's comments about social security. Perry may want to put this issue to bed, but by the looks of things, his proposed HPV mandate could haunt him throughout the nominating process."

As one Tea Party activist, Kathy Carley of Des Moines, put it recently: "He's not what he appears."

Vander Plaats told HuffPost in an interview that if Perry wants to put the HPV issue to rest, he needs to apologize, face to face with Iowa voters, and explain that he was wrong. Period.

"Perry needs to get out here. He needs to clear it up. He needs to take the time it takes, whether it's in a diner or some large group setting," Vander Plaats said.

"What he needs to do is, instead of offering an excuse, just say, 'I would have done it differently.' Just be honest and transparent. If people find that trustworthy, I think you're okay. But if you feel like you're still hedging on some things, I think it's going to be more of a problem."

Perry has begun to take a more conciliatory approach. On Wednesday, in Richmond, he still offered up a rationale for what he did -- he said he wants to prevent cancer -- but put far less emphasis on defending his decision than he did in his first two presidential primary debates.

Perry's altruism defense may not wash with many conservatives, who could see his bleeding-heart rhetoric as a betrayal of his limited government ethos.

"In an election cycle that is being framed by President Obama's health care program, Perry is advocating for government solutions when it comes to health care, not the empowerment of individuals," Robinson wrote.

Perry has been all over the map in explaining his decision to mandate the vaccine .

When he first entered the race in mid-August, he faced questions about the Texas vaccine mandate, and stated that he should have worked with the legislature rather than use an executive order. He then went one step further and added that families should have been allowed to opt in, rather simplying being offered an opt-out provision.

But in both GOP debates over the past week, Perry pointed to the opt-out clause as a positive component of the executive order he signed.

"I don't know what's more strong for parental rights than having that opt-out," Perry said at his first debate in Simi Valley, Calif., last week.

Asked directly on Monday night, during his second debate in Tampa, Fla., whether the executive order he signed amounted to a mandate, Perry said it was not -- because of the opt-out provision.

"No, sir it wasn't. It was very clear. It had an opt-out," Perry said.

Then on Wednesday, Perry was back to stating that he should have had an opt-in instead of an opt-out.

Perry will have plenty of chances to apologize on a trip that will take him to central Iowa on Thursday evening and Friday morning, followed by two stops in the western portion of the state on Friday afternoon. Polling so far in the state has been limited. Two polls taken a week or so after Perry joined the race showed him with a small lead of two and three points, respectively, and a Rasmussen poll taken at the end of August gave him an 11-point edge over the rest of the GOP 2012 field.

Another social conservative leader in Iowa said he thought Perry could clear the HPV vaccine issue up.

"He has said that it could have been handled differently. If he can do that and convince people that it was probably not the proper decision then I think a lot of people probably can say, 'He thinks he made a mistake,' and go on," said the leader, who asked not to be identified.

Bob Haus, a longtime Iowa operative who is co-chairing Perry's campaign in the state, signaled that Perry will seek to keep his focus on the economy and his job creation record in Texas.

"Iowa voters have responded very well to his economic message and his conservative message in Texas, and I think they'll continue to respond well to that going forward," Haus said.

Even though Bachmann, the Republican congresswoman from Minnesota, was the one who ripped Perry the hardest at the presidential primary debate in Tampa on Monday, her former campaign manager, Ed Rollins, downplayed the HPV issue in an interview with HuffPost on Wednesday.

"It's a one- or two-day story," said Rollins, who is still an unpaid senior adviser to Bachmann, in what came across as an attempt to minimize Bachmann's remarks after the debate that the vaccine might cause "mental retardation."

"I don't think it's one that we'll hit the drum on," Rollins said of the Bachmann campaign. "If there's more on the cronyism, which I think there is, that's where you go make your case."

Rollins criticized Bachmann's comment even more openly in an appearance on MSNBC Wednesday afternoon, saying the candidate is "an emotional woman" and that she had made a "mistake."

But the HPV issue is still an open door Bachmann can walk through to talk about Perry's use of taxpayer funds and appointment of donors to government posts during his decade in the Texas governor's mansion.

The HPV mandate has raised questions about whether Perry took action to benefit a friend and has led to the charges of cronyism Rollins mentioned. Perry's former chief of staff, Mike Toomey, was a lobbyist for drug maker Merck when Perry issued the executive order mandating the vaccine in 2007. Merck has given Perry $29,500 in direct contributions since he became governor in 2000, and the company gave $377,000 to the Republican Governors Association when Perry was vice-chair and later chairman.

The Washington Post reported Tuesday that the RGA has given Perry at least $4 million over the past five years. And Texans For Public Justice, a watchdog group, reported this week that a third of the $217 million taken in by the RGA over the past five years came from 139 donors who have also given to Perry's gubernatorial campaigns.

Perry also misstated during the Tampa debate that Merck gave him $5,000, apparently referring to his 2006 reelection campaign, when in fact the drug company gave him $6,000 during that cycle. He also failed to mention that from the time he became governor to 2007, when the HPV order was issued, Merck gave him a total of $22,000.

Beyond the HPV vaccine controversy, Perry has more obstacles to clear with grassroots conservatives and Tea Party Republicans. His moderate stance on immigration, in particular, troubles many.

So does Perry's past support for a toll-road super highway known as the Trans-Texas Corridor that would have run from the Mexican border through Texas to Oklahoma. One concern raised about the project was that Perry's former legislative director, Dan Shelley, worked for the Spanish-owned development company that Perry awarded the development rights. The project was eventually scrapped due to strong opposition from voters, interest groups and lawmakers.

Vander Plaats mentioned that Perry's endorsement of former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani for president in 2008 also raises a red flag because of Giuliani's support for gay marriage and abortion rights.

"He hasn't been vetted so far," Vander Plaats said.

Tyler Kingkade contributed to this report.

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WASHINGTON -- Michele Bachmann may have given Rick Perry some cover from the HPV vaccine issue in the national media, but as the Texas governor arrives in Iowa on Thursday, conservatives in the first-...
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TeeLolly 10:55 AM on 09/16/2011
How ironic it is that Mr. Perry may be brought down not for refusing to stay the execution of a probably innocent man (Cameron Todd Willingham, for an alleged arson that experts now say was an accidental fire), not for appointing his donor-cronies to lucrative government positions, not for his threats to secede from the nation, not for his state's dismal record on health care and education, not for  Read More...
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ocrmom59
04:51 PM on 09/17/2011
The trouble with all the candidates is it doesn't matter which one get pick as running against the president because the republicians or the teaparty know what they want only what they think they want.

Their solutions to them is to get someone to put this president in the back of the bus to teach all miniorites their place and they are at a loss on how to dothat now. Things aren't like it was when the first slave came to american and could not speak english or know the white man ways or when the Indidans was ran off their land. Things are totally different.

Each of these groups the white man tried their hardest to keep them in the dark, not wanting them to learn how to read or write and now it is far too late. Both groups can do it a lot better than some of the white and now the world has made the white race the miniorties and every other race the majority. Since they want to do away with abortions and pp they will now stay in the miniorty.
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ebanks84
Grandma knows best!
11:18 AM on 09/17/2011
Perry is not presidential and that will be displayed more and more as he continues to tour the country and hold future debates. I believe Perry has a lot to be afraid of when it comes to debating Obama about what he will do better for the country than what Obama has done. I believe that mainly because Perry has a problem relating his ideas because they don't seem to flow over his lips with the ease that's needed to make people understand what he's trying to say. The path out of his mouth seems to be obstructed by his inability to know what the "eff" he's talking about. At times, he don't seem to know himself so how can he convince others that he will be better than Obama? That is the question he needs to deal with way before he steps on a stage with Obama or anybody else. A president must be more literate than Perry is right now that's for sure.
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soulgirl
10:04 AM on 09/17/2011
Frankly I find all these candidates loose bombs, not prepared and dancing around the topics at hand. For Perry, I agree with the point someone made earlier, The HPV was a "controlled "governmental (state wise) action. This is just the tip of the iceberg for Perry. MOre will be revealed.
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tangelan
"We don't believe you!" Alright, alright.
01:23 AM on 09/17/2011
So if there was a vaccine that prevents HIV and the government mandates everyone receive it that would be a bad thing? The polio vaccine is mandated and no one has a problem with that. Cancer is still bad, right?
02:13 AM on 09/17/2011
The tea party is having a problem with it because Perry is advocating governmental solutions rather than limited government. Remember they want the government to limit its involvement with state issues even if it does helps eliminate cancer! Confusing isn't it?
12:14 AM on 09/17/2011
99% of all politicians are phonies.
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jb2000000
Don't tread on my thread!
12:26 AM on 09/17/2011
I miss the good old days when Republicans used to lie to get elected. They would put on their plaid shirts and act just like middle class Americans. Now they make no bones about being ther're just for the wealthy. I guess that with all the money from the Koch brothers and Diebolt in their pockets, they really don't care what we think anymore.
04:53 AM on 09/17/2011
And yet they still lie. It must be an addiction.
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Trittydi
Special on pap smears at Walgreen's this week ....
11:44 PM on 09/16/2011
The Goof can't be protected from the inane comments of The Goof.
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BannedInBoston
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
08:58 PM on 09/16/2011
Frankly, I think that's EXACTLY how _Perry appears. The vaccine mandate was a dictatorial move by a man who could too easily turn the US Presidency into a dictatorship. I've been saying this for months, ever since it became clear that _Perry would run. You have only to watch any video clips of him to see how essentially _Hitleresque the man is....
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jb2000000
Don't tread on my thread!
12:42 AM on 09/17/2011
You are absolutely right. But we are already living in a dictatorial society. The only thing different from everything we've learned in the past, is that it is not the power of our government but the corporate powers above them. So, as long as they keep brainwashing the American people that this is a democracy, everyone will remain happy because they really don't want to know the truth.
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BannedInBoston
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
12:29 PM on 09/17/2011
We live in what I call a "distributed oligarchy" -- rule by various groups of powerful individuals. This has been true since the inception of the US. In fact, power has become MORE "distributed" as we've gone along. Utimately, hopefully, it will become so distributed that we actually do have something approaching a genuine democracy. But I would one _hell of a lot rather live in our current distributed oligarchy (disguised as a democracy) than live under the kind of true _fascist dictatorship that somebody like _Perry would initiate....
06:33 PM on 09/18/2011
No one is happy. And everyone knows that our government is multi-national corporations - everyone knows we live the big lie - the saddest part is that the people of the United States are blamed for the actions of the 1% - all around the world....that amazing 1 % that shakes up people, twists truths, and pits us all against each other....for what? The great big lies we are told.
Well...make sure your eyes are open - when they quack like ducks, and walk like ducks, they are not eagles that soar - they are ducks...
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imfedup
Fight the lies.
07:07 PM on 09/16/2011
After their meeting, Trump called him "Jim Perry."
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OneWhoVotes
HEROES: Olbermann, Sanders, Moore, Obama, Carville
04:38 AM on 09/17/2011
Birds of a feather.
06:32 PM on 09/16/2011
OH, so all they have to say is I would have done it differently, in other words lie, and then when elected to as they want. Isn't that the way it always goes?
Mercedes
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06:18 PM on 09/16/2011
Perry's nothing but a money suking vacuum. He's been handing out state jobs to his rich friends like it's candy and letting them waste Millions while they get 'on the job training'.

BUT for the rest of us in Texas? He's put us on the Thinnest Shoe String Budget in History and acts like an ogre when we plead for more gruel!
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dave6686
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01:04 AM on 09/17/2011
SO, why do you accept that and keep voting this lun atic back into power.. or worse yet.. not showing up at the polls to vote him OUT!
02:17 AM on 09/17/2011
Yes why???? Fanned and faved!
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OneWhoVotes
HEROES: Olbermann, Sanders, Moore, Obama, Carville
04:42 AM on 09/17/2011
I vote every time I get a chance - it's near obsession. Your vote cannot count when the districts have been redrawn to make all democratic votes irrelevant. Any area that was heavily democratic has been divided in such a way that there are only a few D votes in any district. There are plenty of rich Rs in TX to make the Ds whether rich or poor irrelevant. I believe they've done this in other states as well. Maybe all of the disenfranchised voters need to move to swing states and actually swing them!
06:12 PM on 09/16/2011
I won't try to fathom Mr. Perry's motives for having endorsed HPV vaccination in Texas, but crying "Oops! My bad!" about it now seems as stupid politically as it is from a public health stance.

If he had any courage or consistency he'd stand up at the next debate and say, "My state is full of amazing, young Christian women who were raised right by their folks who will someday marry and have kids and never sleep with any man but their husband. Unfortunately a certain munber of those husbands will come to those marriages with a little more experience and a virus to show for it. I won't let these women catch this virus and die of it if there's any safe and responsible way I can prevent it. I think if Ms. Bachman had had her way back in the fifties a few of us would be standing here on crutches because our wise parents were determined to save us from that damned intrusive polio vaccine big government wanted to force on us."

I'd love to hear Bachman's response to that.
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Patricia M McBride
06:54 PM on 09/16/2011
I am not sure Bachmann would have a response. She is, right now, fighting for her position in the polls and Perry is the man to get (by everyone). He already has said he was wrong and he shouldn't have done it and apologized, but apparently he will have to do that everywhere he goes and have a less than 3 minute one ready to go for debates. There are so many lies going around about Perry right now, it is hard to keep up with them, but this one is true and he should have allowed opt in instead of opt out when he wrote the executive order, but he didn't. He also didn't do this with malice since hispanics have much higher numbers for this horrid type of cancer and we are talking Texas which has a large hispanic population. I understand he was trying to do something good and protect these young girls, but this will be a hard issue for him. It will be much harder than correcting some of the lies currently being told by Paul and the Paulites.
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OneWhoVotes
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04:54 AM on 09/17/2011
Personally. I'd rather not ever hear another irrelevant word from Bachmann. As far as what Perry did. I would object to anyone forcing my 11 or 12 year old daughter to be vaccinated against a sexually transmitted disease. I do not live under a rock and am aware that there are girls who, willingly or not, are sexually active at that young an age. This should have been something that parents got to decide and thankfully, in the end saner heads prevailed. The even bigger issue is Perry's motivation. The health and well being of these Texas girls was the last thing on Perry's agenda. This was a business deal, pure and simple.
09:13 AM on 09/17/2011
I mean no disrespect when I say that your comment illustrates the extent to which emotions and misinformation have colored this debate.

Doctors suggest vaccinating girls at 12 not because they might be sexually active that young, but because it's when the vaccine provides the greatest immunity. Many parents feel it's a vote of No Confidence in their daughters' virtue, or an endorsement of promiscuity. This is no more logical than forbidding your newly licensed kids to use seat belts because you know they'll be responsible drivers. These parents are not just banking on their daughters' virtue: they're gambling that the man she chooses to marry will not carry a virus that cause 12,000 cervical cancer cases a year.

If you accept these facts, and I hope you will (though we live in an age where facts have become as choosable as opinions) I don't see how you could feel it's more important to shield your daughter from a vaccine than from the disease it prevents.

As for Perry, his motives for endorsing the vaccine are irrelevant and should not cloud the debate. If even a stopped clock is right twice a day the same may go for a corrupt politician. And if his greed and cronyism have convinced parents that the real issue is his motivation, not their daughters' health, then he's done more harm than even his greatest detractors could have imagined.

If you have a moment, OneWhoVotes, let me know what you think.
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dave6686
upholder of for the people by the people
12:48 AM on 09/18/2011
F&F For speaking the truth from a woman's perspective...
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DemoMom
06:06 PM on 09/16/2011
It's nauseating how the GOP candidates are falling over each other to pander to the Tea Party bigots. These Tea Party people are not even a political party - they're just a bunch of disgruntled, mostly white Americans, and I want to know who gave them the right to frame the arguments and policies for any future GOP administration? It would be refreshing to someone in the GOP stand up to them (yes, I know it's political suicide) but what is the moderate wing of the GOP staying so silent right now? Isn't there anyone out there with a backbone? I wouldn't vote GOP, no matter who was standing, but I would, at least, have some respect for them. The current line-up of conservative buffoons make me want to gag.
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Selgin
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06:47 PM on 09/16/2011
There is no "moderate wing"... they've all been ousted as "RINOs."
02:22 AM on 09/17/2011
Great Post DemoMom! Fanned!
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patient i am
i've run out of patience
05:48 PM on 09/16/2011
he's not what he appears to be? he's shielded himself with so much smoke screen it will take only a short time for all to know exactly what he is. the smoke will blow away and all will be clear.
06:42 PM on 09/18/2011
smoke and mirrors - as soon as the mirror cracks, the illusion is over.
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patient i am
i've run out of patience
09:55 PM on 09/18/2011
sadly i doubt it will be to soon. the med ia needs these people to keep their ra t ings up.
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nitwitsRus
my udder username is...
05:17 PM on 09/16/2011
he's a Muppet?
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DeTex
Howze yer Mommer an nem?
05:05 PM on 09/16/2011
The Baggers have been so busy licking Slick Rick's cowboy boots they forgot to check into his politics. None of this is new. Perry has been selling the Texas Gubernership off piece by piece ever since George the Lesser left town.

Everyone in Texas has known what Perry is for years. It's just a matter of negotiating the price.
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DemoMom
06:10 PM on 09/16/2011
He is now returning the favor by licking their boots, and so are the rest of the GOP candidates. It's like they're afraid to open their mouths to say anything without checking with the local Tea Party commandant. This pandering is just horrible to watch.
06:43 PM on 09/18/2011
lol - $5,000 is offensive - which makes you wonder how much isn't.