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Paul Ryan, Herman Cain Push For Tax Increases On Middle Class

First Posted: 09/18/2011 10:24 am Updated: 11/18/2011 4:12 am

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said on Sunday that House Republicans would oppose President Barack Obama's payroll tax cuts for both employers and employees, arguing that the policy had already failed to provide a sufficient boost to the economy. "It hasn't worked," Ryan said, suggesting the current temporary tax cut should be allowed to expire, which will amount to a 50 percent tax hike on workers making less than $106,000 per year.

He also said he opposes the president's proposal to require millionaires to pay the same tax rate as the middle class, known as the Buffett plan. "Class warfare might make for good politics, but it makes for rotten economics," Ryan said.

As chairman of the House Budget Committee and the author of a long-term plan that radically alters Medicare and slashes tax rates for the wealthy as well as social spending, Ryan serves as something of an economic spokesman for House Republicans.

GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain, who followed Ryan on "Fox News Sunday," seconded his opposition to the tax on millionaires as well as the payroll tax cut extensions. "It's too little, too late," said Cain.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), appearing later on NBC's "Meet The Press," said he too would oppose taxing millionaires at a higher rate, citing Obama's own comments from 2010, when the president argued that taxes shouldn't be raised during rough economic times. "I think what he said then still applies," McConnell said, insisting that small businesses would be hurt by such a tax plan.

As for the namesake of the Buffett plan, McConnell said that if billionaire investor Warren Buffett feels like he's not paying his fair share, "he should send us a check."

"If Warren Buffett would like to give up some of his benefits, we'd be happy to talk about that," McConnell said, suggesting his benefits be means-tested.

Ryan, while backing a payroll tax hike, nevertheless said that tax hikes cannot be part of the deficit-cutting proposal that the super committee comes up with. As part of his explanation, Ryan made it clear that he sees no difference between raising taxes proactively and allowing tax breaks to expire. "You already have a $1.5 trillion tax increase coming in 2013," he said, referring to the expiration of the Bush tax cuts that were extended by President Obama for two years. Ryan's reference to the expiration as an "increase" gives greater weight to his willingness to let tax cuts for the middle class expire.

Because of the looming Bush tax cut expiration, said Ryan, the super committee should eschew tax hikes. "Why on earth would we go with that, especially when the problem is spending?" he said.

"You're basically saying there's going to be no bargain, no compromise," host Chris Wallace pointed out.

"Clearly, Democrats could work with us" and get $1.5 trillion in spending cuts with no additional revenue, Ryan said. "That shouldn't be that tough."

As for the budgetary woes outside Washington, Ryan said, "We just don't think we should be bailing out state governments." He added, "That's the constitutional responsibility of state governments, not federal governments."

Former President Bill Clinton, appearing on CBS's "Face The Nation," backed Obama's tax hike on millionaires, but suggested that the singular focus should be on job creation, with tax increases on the wealthy coming once the economy improves. "I don't have any objection to talking about it now," said Clinton. "Whether it's good politics or not, it's an honorable thing to do."

Clinton urged passage of the payroll tax cut extension and the creation of an infrastructure bank to fund investments. He also hit at the major drag on the economy. "I don't believe America can return to the full employment days of the '90s until we can clear this bank debt from the mortgage crisis," he said.

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Kritikos
Intelligence is not a science
09:49 AM on 10/09/2011
Ryan is not just a national disaster, he's a DISASTER !.........; as for Cain, he should be head popped with a huge pizza stick!
11:06 AM on 10/07/2011
It takes nards and utter stupidity to actually say raise the taxes on the middle class, but leave the rich alone because "you don't raise taxes during an economic downswing". This is particularly brassy to do while the middle class is literally marching in the streets. Can Ryan (and Cain) really be that dumb? It makes one wonder, for the second time this year, about the voters in Wisconsin. Seems like they keep shooting themselves in foot.

Yeah Paul, take Mitch out for one of your $350 bottle of wine while I sit at home trying figure out if I can afford a can of Coke Zero. You know, if you do take Mitch out, you probably can deduct it as a business expense too.

I give the American public sense enough to do the math. But, then again, you folks keep winning reelction. Maybe I'm the stupid one.
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deebastet
10:54 AM on 09/25/2011
Paul, your mother is calling. Go home! She wants you to take your eye medication, that you do not pay for out of pocket.
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07:18 PM on 09/24/2011
President Obama needs to educate the people that right now when the unemployment rate is over 9 %, cutting the deficit should not be the priority. The Republicans are cleaver to put fear into the people by talking about both unemployment and defecit in the same sentence. Their talking point is that if we don't reduce the deficit, we are going to have a higher unemployment rate, which most conservative and liberal economists reject. Cantor and Boehner are better at confusing the public than President Obama is trying to educate them. He himself was drawn into this mixed message during the debt ceiling fight. We needs to spend more until the economy is again growing to create demand, which is what the job creators are waiting for.
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pollclaire
jeu d'esprit
09:29 PM on 09/22/2011
Ryan and the rest of the Republican reprehensitives willing to go to the wall for the segment of America that makes more than $1 million per year? Overwhelmingly, these are the corporate 'job creators', selling a line of propaganda regarding the reasons they need special trreatment.

Two things.

First of all, SMALL BUSINESS has always created the majority of new jobs in America. Corporations have NEVER comprised more than about 10% of total employment or earnings.

Further, taxes on top marginal incomes have never been linked to economic growth. http://www.slate.com/id/2245781/
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proshot22
RLTW! 3/75th '05
07:00 PM on 09/22/2011
I am disgusted in my so-called representa­tives in Washington­. They have no shame. The middle and lower class are holding up this country on their backs while Republican­s and their wealthy donors are partying away and exulting the far right like those Tea Party racists. And anyone here who says I'm an liberal democrat, I'm far from it. I served tours in 02 and 04 in Afghanista­n before being discharged after losing my right hand. The majority of those Americans who are in the military and who fought, got wounded, and died for this country come from the lower and middle class. The same majority who have seen many of their families and friends lose jobs, homes, and wealth. We freely choose to fight and protect this country while expecting this country's elected representa­tives to lead. This isn't leading. This is shooting the middle class in the back to protect their donors. While those in the military are overseas fighting, our leaders are thinking new ways to tax our families at home. I know guys who are on their fifth and six tours, while their families can't pay their bills at home. Now these Republican­s want to go after either the same middle class that's lost jobs and homes, or the poor through Medicare, or the elderly through Social Security. Where is the shared sacrifice? Shame on them. This country's leaders, elected and military, are afraid of one thing and that's mass public demonstrat­ions in Washington reported on CNN.
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deebastet
10:57 AM on 09/25/2011
Thank you for your post. Much of what you posted needs to be a source for protest on Congress.
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Southernthinker
01:57 PM on 09/22/2011
No one passed the “Ryan Plan” for budget slashing measures he is still waving it like a Somali Pirate’s Flag; they too held Americans hostage.

I only replied because of your use of profanity;something I avoid when commenting and personally even abbreviations are crude and sometimes tell-tale signs of a weak or knee jerk reaction in my opinion
hatenomor
DO FOR SELF. BLACK SELF DETERMINATION
09:03 PM on 09/21/2011
THere is something intrinskly wrong with the fact that no one seems concerned that about 50% of the population pay no income taxex, but have the nerve to tell the other 50% that they aren't paying enough.
Another thing, do ;any of you really believe that the 230,000 millionaires can shoulder the load for the other 330 million of us?
Give it some thought, do the math, and get back to me.
09:05 AM on 09/22/2011
50% is so poor that if they paid taxes they would have to live in a cardboard box on the street. Do you think 50% of the population makes 20, 30 40K per year? No they either make no income or very little.
hatenomor
DO FOR SELF. BLACK SELF DETERMINATION
09:52 AM on 09/22/2011
So, fifty percent of Amercans live in poverty? I see.
hatenomor
DO FOR SELF. BLACK SELF DETERMINATION
09:53 AM on 09/22/2011
At that means the other 50% have to support the other 50%? I see.
01:42 PM on 09/22/2011
When you make this argument that simplistic, sure it seems fair - but it's actually not fair. The rich get way more from the government than anyone else. For example, 20% of our budget goes towards defense and certainly the rich have more to protect - If it's fair that people with bigger houses pay bigger insurance rates than isn't it fair that the rich should pay more for defense.

Also, the rich aren't there because they are at home making a product completely by themselves and doing all the work. They often need hundreds of thousands of educated people to help them be able to be owners or investors in profitable companies. They need these educated people to have roads that they can drive on to get to work. They need police to keep order so those workers haven't been killed so they'll show up the next day. The whole process of creating and maintaining an American work force is dependent upon our government and the rich benefit financially from this WAY more than anyone else.

And isn't it fair that when these companies have used these people for so many years to make their billions and billions of dollars, shouldn't they have some greater responsibility in making sure these elderly people can live and pay for their health care, especially when many of their health care problems were caused by the stress and physical strain put on their bodies by years working for these employers?
hatenomor
DO FOR SELF. BLACK SELF DETERMINATION
01:54 PM on 09/22/2011
There is a big differance between government service's and redistribution of wealth. Taxing one for service's is a completely differant matter, than taxing someone to redistribute that wealth to others, via entitlement programs. . For one, the federal government is exceeding it's authortiy by redistributing wealth.
09:59 AM on 09/21/2011
CLASS WARFARE??? ? The only class warfare that is going on in this country is the CLASS warfare against MIDDLE CLASS struggling Americans and the poor.THAT is the class warfare. They sound more like Marie Antoinette then servants of our democratic country .
I am disgusted , absolutely disgusted at the abusive rhetoric thrown about by the Republicans. They have done NOTHING to solve any real problems in the country --NONE , just have created them. I cant even imagine that they are so arrogant as to deny desperate Americans a little bit of relief while they keep allowing the sickening rich in this country to exploit the system. Class warfare? So its ok to take benefits away from citizens that cant even make ends meet, but not ask anythjng from those who are literally tripping over their money?? What kind of country do they want? -- these are benefits that quite frankly the super rich do not need , so they will not be feeling a thing.
. So they are using the empty excuse of job creation? It makes no sense. So the lawyer down the block working for Wall street making over 600,000 ( I know one of them personally) , if he has to pay more in taxes , there goes a job? What job? He doesn't hire anyone . He works for an investment bank .. .
These republicans are , blocking any reasonable proposal lto help -- amounting to more poverty, more hopelessness and
10:53 PM on 09/21/2011
What is wrong earning a good living by working hard and keeping what you earn? Read the AP report. The rich pay their "fair share" of the taxes by far.The real solution is for the government to step aside and let people work without over-regulation and high taxation. Then the economy will soar. The rich will get richer and the middle class will be more secure. The needy will be given government assistance and benefits will not be cut. In a capitalist society, those that gain advantage gain wealth. It involves risk. I highly resent a goverment that conficates my money and does with it as it wants. I resent a government that operates to create equal outcomes because it punishes the true achievers. Achievers do good things which makes it better for everyone. Maybe that lawyer bringing down 600K might want to start another law firm that will employ a lot of people. Should the government deny this lawyer the capital to start another practice by taxing him excessively? If you want to help the poor, don't just give them money, give them hope. There is no hope in a system designed to keep them helpless by simply funding them not to work. I Don't care how much money others are making. You should too. Let the rich make their money. Worry about your affairs. Forget government as the grand benefactor and take care of yourself. If we all did we would be better off. Enuf said.
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SoapboxKing
06:14 PM on 09/23/2011
You speak the right wing line well. Doesnt stack of to the facts but you speak it well.
09:45 AM on 09/21/2011
Sounds like class warfare. Democratic Party, how about ripping the conservatives to shreds with this? And doing it relentlessly? It should be the singular message going into the campaign season.
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Kalemanao
We Didn't Start The Fire...
09:24 AM on 09/21/2011
Paul Ryan is another one of the GOP Boys from Brazil that got away... As for Herman Cain... I liked to order a large pepperoni & mushrooms... Do you deliver?
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Cherie Lyon
The truth sets you free-lies are chains
07:36 AM on 09/21/2011
Is anyone surprised by this? Anyone? Hello?
07:09 AM on 09/21/2011
I'm still wound up about this latest garbage from the people that made cutting services to the old and disabled more acceptable than making the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes. They have made public workers and unions the demons, pitting working man against working man with the claim that high wages caused the economy to break down. Now they have widened to include small business owners in their targets. These small business owners likely voted republican and now they are being sacrificed.
There is no way to improve the economy until these companies start putting their money back into communities in this country. Bring back the jobs from overseas. Why should these companies be rewarded for taking jobs overseas?
To believe the party line about lowering the deficit for their grandkids, one should first expect them to be concerned about those that are living now. If the present living are left penniless there will be no assets for their grandkids either. So until the GOP steps out of the way of any possible progress thats where we're headed. There won't be alot of virtue in that deficit number if its achieved at the demise of the middleclass.
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Tugar
"We The People"
05:39 AM on 09/21/2011
Paul Ryan knew he should never even think about running for POTUS. And the, fella Herman Cain can also FORGET ABOUT IT ! .... Their thoughts to raise taxes on the "middle classes" while they both them and their colleagues continue to hold on to every penny they make, as part of the "Well to do, and wealthy" that make over the $250,000 annually is what's known as greedy, hypocrites with attitude ! Both Ryan and Cain haven't always been so "RICH" ! But now that they are making the money, they certainly plan on keeping all of it... And just keep shouting along with people such as (R) Utah's Sen. Orrin Hatch saying... "The Poor Should Do More" ! .... I ASK THEM ALL.... "DO MORE WITH WHAT" !

AMERICA, ... We have got to get these people out of office !
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crimghost
My bleeding heart? you should see the other guy's.
05:33 AM on 09/21/2011
Bush's entitlement tax cuts for the wealthy were the true declaration of class warfare.

Want to know why unemployment is so high beside the fact that we're paying for Bush's wars? The middle class are tired of filling the pockets of the wealthy.
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fredpa
I will try again tomorrow.
06:02 AM on 09/21/2011
You're right. War was declared long ago. The Repubs are just indignant that the Dems have figured it out and joined the battle. A war is much more satisfying when there's no return fire.