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Obama Debt Reduction Plan Calms Democrats' Concerns On And Off Hill

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First Posted: 09/19/11 07:59 PM ET Updated: 11/19/11 05:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's broad new debt reduction proposal has, at least momentarily, managed to placate a community of progressive activists, Democratic operatives and congressional offices who have grown increasingly despondent over the course of his presidency.

On Monday the White House outlined more than $3 trillion in deficit reduction measures that included $1.5 trillion in tax increases, $1 trillion in war savings and $580 billion or so in mandatory program savings. What stood out, however, was what wasn't in the plan at all: changes to the payment structure of Social Security or the eligibility age of Medicare that the president had voiced support for as recently as August.

Democratic sources familiar with the drafting of the proposal insist that the 80-page document, which included a $470 billion job creation program, is largely consistent with the philosophical blueprint the White House has pursued during the past year. But they also didn't beat back suggestions that Obama and his team are more eager than ever to draw contrasts with Republicans on issues such as tax policy or entitlement reform. Perhaps the best example is the president's pledge to veto any deficit reduction plan that cut Medicare benefits but didn't include a dime of tax increases -- a threat that came in response to House Speaker John Boehner's (R-Ohio) insistence that tax hikes be left completely off the table.

"I was very pleased with the president's veto statement. I am a supporter of this," said Howard Dean, a former Vermont governor and DNC chairman. "Are there a few things that maybe should have been done differently? Maybe so. But overall, this is a very good place to start and now we just have to make damn sure we don't make any of the kind of irresponsible concessions that Republicans are going to ask for."

Reserved optimism with the president's deficit reduction plan did, indeed, seem to be the order of the day. Not just from Democrats who appreciated the slate of administration policies (there were critics among both progressives and centrists), but because for an administration that has gained a reputation for making preemptive concessions, the proposal represented a welcome departure.

"From everything I see, this seems to be pretty good stuff," said James Carville, the longtime Democratic consultant who just days ago urged the president to panic and start firing staffers. "Realistically, how much you will end up with, I don't know. But if you start there, you will end up somewhere better."

Carville said he believed the type of proposals that made it into the plan would help bolster Obama's reelection prospects.

"The most popular thing you can do to cut the deficit is to raise taxes on people making over a million dollars. That's not just a sop to the Democratic base, that is a sop to roughly 65 percent of the country," Carville said. "So, good. If this signals something new, then great."

The president's plan brightened the mood among Democrats on Capitol Hill as well. Some lawmakers were quick to assert that the administration's plan would likely be amended, while others were critical of specific policy proposals contained in it. But the predominant expression was one of relief.

"It couldn't come at a better time vis-a-vis the Democratic caucus," said Jim Manley, political consultant for the firm Quinn Gillespie and former top spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). "Folks were really getting concerned."

Even those who have traditionally urged moderation from Democratic politicians were complimentary about the president's new tone.

"It was an effective opening bid," said Matt Bennett, Senior Vice President for Public Affairs at the centrist-Democratic think tank Third Way. "He definitely planted a flag in the ground. He definitely communicated to his base and it was an opening bid in what is going to be a long negotiation."

An opening bid and a line in the sand are only the start of high-stakes negotiations. And Obama's tone and approach seem almost certain to soften over time. But while Bennett may be willing to stomach the compromise that will inevitably be struck, others were more nervous. The president's initial proposal, for example, leaves Social Security alone while calling for $240 billion in Medicare savings, including means-testing for additional areas of the program. Dean qualified such reforms as "not at all disabling," but other liberals saw a window opened.

"We don't feel like we can rest," said Nancy Altman, co-director of Social Security Works. "But from where we started ... this is a major improvement. We want to push him a little bit further so he really understands that Social Security is a pension plan and that it is not simply a negotiating tactic."

Clouding the response to Obama's debt reduction plan is the recollection that not too long ago, he offered Boehner a deal that would have changed Social Security's payment structure while raising the eligibility age for Medicare. Senior administration officials explained that those provisions weren't included in the current proposal because this plan reflects "his vision, and not a legislative compromise being crafted to garner some number of votes in the House and the Senate." But implicit in that statement is the recognition that Obama would be willing to make the same deal again, provided it could move a bill through Congress.

And yet, the political landscape now is drastically different than the one that existed during the peak of the debt ceiling negotiations. And it seems likely to change even further. Mike Lux, a progressive strategist who has been critical of the administration in the past (despite working for the president during his transition to the White House) argued that progressive groups have and continue to create "a magnetic pole ... that Obama is starting to move to." As the election nears, Lux and others argue, political realities will only further compel the president to both campaign on raising tax rates on very wealthy Americans and speak out against deep cuts to popular entitlement programs.

"He just has to hang in there and be tough for 14 months," said Dean. "It is hard to believe that presidential politics didn't affect his stand here ... I think people want a strong guy in the White House. They believe Republicans are totally in the tank for corporate interests ... and they just want someone to stand up for their interests."

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WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's broad new debt reduction proposal has, at least momentarily, managed to placate a community of progressive activists, Democratic operatives and congressional off...
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05:55 AM on 09/22/2011
It is not only about the ideotic polical. But the Moral & Fiscally Responsible thing to do.

Sadly--in a world where the Radical Right Wing Totalitarians Conglimerate of Lunies, Liars & Looters of the US Treasury control the information pipelines so critical to an informed electorate -- while making compromises such as giving them a finger inpossible since
they/ve already eaten the country's arms and legs while pushing it to the DESTRUCTIVE
dark right.

In 2001 Democrats PLEADED to keep paying off the debt. At that time Republican Looters
said that "Reagan proved that Deficits don't matter" Then they sucked the country dry and
kicked it off the cliff. Wracked up 87% of the debt....
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asiclilpup
Tax the rich Feed the Poor.
09:08 PM on 09/21/2011
randytut Liberalism is bliss 211 Fans Become a fan Unfan
11:52 PM on 9/19/2011 Did your parents have any children that WEREN'T failed partial birth ab_0rt-ion­s?
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Anybody care to reply to or correct this baggertrollie????
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herbertpop
06:18 PM on 09/21/2011
Good news.
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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
10:42 PM on 09/20/2011
So what? The Obama regime's plan is dead on arrival in Congress.
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rshrink
09:07 PM on 09/20/2011
More dirt on Scott Walker. See it here on Huffington Post.

"WASHINGTON -- An internal memo sent around the Wisconsin Department of Transportation went public this week, sparking controversy over its instructions that employees should not tell state residents they can receive free photo identification for voting unless they ask.

The memo in question, sent out by former Republican state Senate aide Steve Krieser, the executive assistant of the Department of Transportation, is causing backlash across the state because of legislation signed in May by Republican Gov. Scott Walker requiring voters to show valid photo ID when going to the polls."
06:03 PM on 09/21/2011
That man is shameless. They said a lot of Republican run states are going to try to inhibit voting in their states by pulling stunts such as what Walker is trying to do.
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rshrink
09:02 PM on 09/21/2011
This is true. Brownback is the governor in my state and he has pulled the same stunt and done much more. He is trying to do Bush all over again, in our state. He is trying to cut spending for working people and the disabled and fund programs to help mothers on welfare to get married. He pushed for and got voter I D. Chris Kobach is the motor behind that movement and has written that kind of law for other states as well.
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Ann Starke
Progressive old broad
06:08 PM on 09/21/2011
Ain't that a beyotch? That came out a couple of weeks ago. KInda like when they put up phony democrats in the phony primaries. Those folks will go to any lengths to defeat the Democrats and rescue their beloved governor who is in deep doo doo.
07:45 PM on 09/20/2011
Please. Third-Way is a CONSERVATIVE group, not a "centrist" one. Next, you'll be claiming that the DLC is Liberal....
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Jesuslandia
Recovering Liberal
07:13 PM on 09/20/2011
And how many jobs will this tax increase produce? Answer: 0
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Jesuslandia
Recovering Liberal
07:20 PM on 09/20/2011
But then again, this isn't about producing jobs, is it, but rather saving a job-- his.
07:46 PM on 09/20/2011
I thought you Conservatives wanted the debt paid down. Don't get this confused with the jobs bill....
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webwzrd
Reality is liberal indoctrination
05:27 PM on 09/20/2011
I wouldn't go as far as to say that Obama's newly found guts calm my concerns, but they certainly renew some of the hope lost in the last two years. It's my sincere wish that he finally gets that what he originally campaigned for IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO by America, not just progressives.

We never expected him to accomplish every little thing he promised, but we sure as hell expect him to fight for it, and I don't mean give a speech and then acquiesce. We mean go to the mat and even if you loose, go down fighting. Sometimes the perfect is the enemy of the good, but he has had a popensity to set the bar for the good way to low.

Stay in campaign mode sir, you are apparently at your best there.
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Jesuslandia
Recovering Liberal
07:15 PM on 09/20/2011
Yes, he's best at campaigning. It's the governing part that has him stumped. And that's all this is-- campaigning. Won't create a single job.
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webwzrd
Reality is liberal indoctrination
07:27 PM on 09/20/2011
He's already created more net jobs than Bush did in 8 years, while your "hard working" Republicans have managed to enact cuts that have cost us 800k jobs at the state and federal levels so far, with another 1.2 million coming down the pipeline.

Seems to me that you folks might want to do a little campaigning of your own.
06:08 PM on 09/21/2011
How many jobs did Bush's TARP save or create? Didn't create any but probably saved a few millionaire CEOs theirs.
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Ann Starke
Progressive old broad
06:10 PM on 09/21/2011
You have got a new fan, webwzrd! Like what you say!
faved too.
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RUKidding0
Freedom is Fundamental
04:42 PM on 09/20/2011
As an unconditional supporter of the Tea Party Revolution, I must agree with Obama's comment

“I will not support any plan that puts all the burden for closing our deficit on ordinary Americans,” ; however, there is a method diametrically opposite t his to achieve the Buffet Rule goal.

Simply cut middle class taxes, including payroll taxes, until the progressivity Obama seeks is achieved, while raising no one's taxes.

Presented with this alternative approach that accomplishes the same goal, you will see the fact that Obama doesn't care one whit for the middle class, preferring instead to use them as pawns in his real goal of vesting ever more power and the nation's wealth in the Euro-social-democratic government of the left's dreams.

Once again, his reaction to this cut big government approach will reveal him as the liar that he is.
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Curious Black
voices in your head tell u what u already believe
04:40 PM on 09/20/2011
I suggest we re-brand the Tpubs in to the Freddy Prinz party, they have already stolen his line as a motto: "That's not my yob"
Please clarify for me, if your house is on fire, you sit and read the paper while everyone else fights the fire? you figure you paid the water and sewer bill so why pitch in more like turning on a hose?
That is how your viewpoint reads, and our national house is n danger of being lost.
04:23 PM on 09/20/2011
It was the only reason he gave the speech. It most certainly wasn't a speech to fix the problem. Otherwise, the man would stop misleading everyone.
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Weeweed Up
YOU have a drink with Mitch McConnell!
06:13 PM on 09/20/2011
"the man", our President Obama is not misleading anyone. That title goes to the GOP, they are masters at misleading with their claims of "job creators" and other such crapola.
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midwestblues
04:08 PM on 09/20/2011
So Obama has finally awakened from his delusional coma that dreamed of happy little repugs and dems all playing together in peace and harmony as one. ABOUT TIME!

Do you get it now ... they want to DESTROY you.

Stand up strong as a LEADER. LEAD and do not let repugs stand in your way for what you know is the right things to do.
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Ann Starke
Progressive old broad
06:20 PM on 09/21/2011
Back in the pleistocene age, when politicians were statesmen and actually cooperated on both sides of the aisle...maybe thirty years ago or more...it actually happened.

It was a bit naive of him to think that it might happen again, but even Bill and Newt worked together a little bit in the 90s. The GREAT DIVIDE did not really happen until recently.

I am old, so I remember the good old days.
07:28 PM on 09/21/2011
Illinois had one of the best statesmen in the country, who we just recently lost, Senator Charles Percy. Though I'm a Democrat, and I'm joined by many other Illinois Democrats who will agree with me, Chuck Percy was very well liked because he was a Republican who knew how to work with everyone. He is probably the last of the true Lincoln Republicans. Yes, they did play well together back then.
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HarmonTerr
Eternal Vigilence!
03:49 PM on 09/20/2011
One waffle or two?
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Weeweed Up
YOU have a drink with Mitch McConnell!
03:27 PM on 09/20/2011
"This is a very good place to start and now we just have to make damn sure we don't make any of the kind of irresponsible concessions that Republicans are going to ask for."

President Obama made history for being the first Black man elected POTUS. IMO, he wanted to come across as a uniter knowing he was not well received by all Americans. He felt he had to tread lightly so as not to be perceived as an extreme radical and "scare" the conservatives.

He went too far to appease the right, to the detriment of his own party. When you give in to screaming toddlers, children think they are entitled (Boehner, Cantor, McConnell). Now the GOP "thinks" they just have to throw a tantrum and they'll get their way. It's hard to discipline a young adult if they've never been disciplined. You have to start when they are small children in small but firm steps so they know what the rules are.

President Obama is trying to reign in some very unruly teenagers (GOP) and it's his own fault for either listening to his advisors or taking that route on his own. It's time to ground these spoiled brats and do it with a firm hand. Let them call him radical. It's time to show them who the real adult is and who is looking out for the good of all people, not just those that think they are entitled to special treatment.
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Ann Starke
Progressive old broad
03:54 PM on 09/20/2011
Fanned, faved and badged for a very insightful post. You are absolutely right on. I am glad to see that he is putting his foot down and I hope that he does not give in to the Teapublicans again. Perhaps seeing the polls that show that Congress has an 18% approval rating will stiffen his resolve and allow him to stand up for what he knows is right.
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Weeweed Up
YOU have a drink with Mitch McConnell!
04:03 PM on 09/20/2011
Thank you, Ann. Let's hope he doesn't take his foot off their necks until the election is over. fanned.
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SamBaby
Life is Sweet!
04:26 PM on 09/20/2011
He is so smart - how can he let the Republicans continue take advantage of him?? I kept hoping and praying. And asking myself - 'Is he just giving the Repubs enough rope to hang themselves? ' I think maybe he did!
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Weeweed Up
YOU have a drink with Mitch McConnell!
04:35 PM on 09/20/2011
If Obama was playing chicken then I hope he doesn't blink but doesn't crash either.
07:38 PM on 09/21/2011
I think he's been playing them for a little bit now. And the beauty of it is, they were too busy patting themselves on the back to see it coming! This is the President Obama I voted for when he ran for the Senate and then again as our POTUS. He may have been naive to think those crooks were going to work with him, but I give him credit as being a highly intelliegent man with common sense. The Teapubs are lacking in both of those departments.
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Si1ver1ock
the bread of wickedness, the wine of violence
03:17 PM on 09/20/2011
Without a growing economy, there is no deficit reduction.
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03:59 PM on 09/20/2011
And the way to grow the economy is to get people back to work.
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04:05 PM on 09/20/2011
tax cuts and spending cuts dont put people back to work.
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Jesuslandia
Recovering Liberal
07:16 PM on 09/20/2011
Taxes don't get people back to work.