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Ohio SB 5 Collective Bargaining Law Follows Efforts In Wisconsin and New Jersey

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First Posted: 09/21/11 02:13 PM ET Updated: 11/20/11 05:12 AM ET

This is the first part of a collaboration between The Huffington Post and Patch regarding the November referendum over Ohio's new collective bargaining law. The collaboration will focus on various aspects of the debate leading up to the Nov. 8 vote.

Ohio follows Wisconsin and New Jersey as the latest battleground in the war between Republican governors and labor unions over collective bargaining.

Differing from the recall approach in Wisconsin, Ohio unions have banded together to utilize a little-known Ohio referendum law to put the fate of the state's collective bargaining law -- Senate Bill 5 -- on the November ballot. Ohio law allows for a statewide referendum on laws passed by the governor and legislature if enough petitions signatures are gathered. Ohio unions gathered 1.3 million signatures -- a million more than the needed amount to put the measure on the ballot. Voters are being asked to decide the fate of a bill that eliminates collective bargaining regarding benefits for public employees, and that Gov. John Kasich (R) has said is central to his ability to control the state budget.

While different from previous battles, the scope of the legislation and resulting fight with the unions place Ohio in the same boat as Wisconsin and New Jersey, which have seen similar efforts to battle public employee benefit reforms from first-year Republican governors.

“It was part of a trend, many of the Republican governors elected in the last few years are reforming state and local government,” said John Green, the executive director of the Ray C. Bliss Institute of Applied Politics at the University of Akron. “Many of these reform packages have changes to bargaining as part of the reform process.”

Green did note that the main difference between the three states is that New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) were the primary drivers of the laws in their states, while Kasich backed a bill that originated from State Sen. Shannon Jones, a Cincinnati area Republican. At the same time, Kasich has become closely associated with the law.

"He has become the primary defender of the bill," Green said.

Green said that Ohio political observers believe that Kasich, who pledged to reduce state spending and not raise taxes during his 2010 campaign, would have ultimately proposed the law.

The debate over S.B. 5 could easily be confused for debates in New Jersey and Wisconsin regarding collective bargaining and public employee benefits. Kasich spokesman Rob Nichols said the bill was needed to provide "a tool" to local governments to control spending at a time of declining property tax revenue. Nichols pegged the bill as providing a $1 billion dollar savings to local governments. Christie has long called his local government reform package-- much of which is stalled in the Democrat-controlled legislature -- a toolkit for local governments and school districts.

Nichols said the law would allow local governments to protect jobs.

He was was quick to distance S.B. 5 from the other states.

“We are aware of what is going on in other states,” he said. “But Ohio has unique needs.”

Statements from the union side of the equation sound similar to those from the other states, however.

"S.B. 5 was a frontal attack on unions," said Harriett Applegate, the president the North Shore AFL-CIO in Cleveland. "We consider this the fight of our lives."

Applegate was quick to argue against Nichols’ comments about local government job protection, saying that Kasich’s cuts to the state’s local government fund were going to cause layoffs in towns and cities around the state. Melissa Fazekas, the spokeswoman for We Are Ohio, the union-backed group campaigning to overturn S.B. 5, cited cuts of all but one police officer in the village of Mount Sterling as evidence of the layoffs resulting from Kasich’s changes to the local government fund.

Building a Better Ohio, the advocacy group campaigning to keep S.B. 5 as a state law, issued a press release over the summer saying that the measure would allow communities like Mount Sterling to avoid layoffs. This argument was rebuffed by the Ohio Fraternal Order of Police, which blamed Kasich.

A spokesman for Building a Better Ohio did not respond to a request for comment from The Huffington Post.

The Ohio debate over local aid cuts echos one made in New Jersey in 2010, when Christie’s first budget dramatically cut state aid to local governments and school districts, leading to job cuts. At the time Christie announced the cuts, local officials greeted them with a variety of responses ranging from one school official describing the reductions as “draconian” to a Republican town councilwoman calling Christie’s budget “awesome.”

Applegate and Fazekas both said that unions have been willing to work with local governments on such issues as health care givebacks and said ending collective bargaining would not allow this practice to continue. They said that collective bargaining allows for a discussion on local finances and gives unions information to guide decision-making during negotiations.

An August poll showed 50 percent of Ohio voters favored repealing S.B. 5, down from 55 percent in May.

Green said that, along with union-supported protests in Madison and Trenton, the union side has been the most active in terms of driving the campaign. Christie still faces union protests at his public appearances.

"I think we will have a very intense campaign," he said. "The supporters of S.B. 5 have a lot of work to do."

Green did note that he does not believe the November vote will make or break the rookie governor.

“I am not sure it’s a referendum on him,” Green said. “It is a referendum on the law.”

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This is the first part of a collaboration between The Huffington Post and Patch regarding the November referendum over Ohio's new collective bargaining law. The collaboration will focus on various asp...
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dbrett480
07:11 PM on 10/02/2011
If you want to end unions you must also want to bring back low wages, 12 hour workdays, no overtime, and no weekends.
06:38 PM on 09/29/2011
its simple back the unions and pay a lot more in taxes and get less in services.its not like this isnt happening in private industries.i worked for a company that was union when in negotiations.the company didnt like they way it was going shut down the warehouse and moved it and hired temps thats whats happens in the real world.
03:00 PM on 09/22/2011
Please be sure to read this article in today's issue of The Blade newspaper (Toledo). It describes how the administrators of one university proposed language declaring all faculty in Ohio to be managers (and thus ineligible for bargaining). That university is mine. I was one of dozens of volunteers who worked tirelessly to achieve collective bargaining rights at my school, Bowling Green State University. Look how an administration is willing to take its sour grapes to the level that it will work to prohibit unionization for EVERYONE who works in higher education. It's the ultimate nose-thumbing.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2011/09/22/BGSU-officials-linked-to-role-in-S-B-5-draft.html
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jimtodd
Unrepentant child of '60s
02:21 PM on 09/22/2011
The over reach of the teavangelical governors is helping to set up the 2012 election as a referendum on America's future. The people have been in the wilderness for forty years, but we are slowly starting the move toward a restoration of sanity. The best measure of this turn is the declining viewership of faux news.
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Phil-EA
01:57 PM on 09/22/2011
Really, what’s unfortunate about the Ohio situation is that it has seemingly become an all or nothing endeavor. Given how dire the situation is in the state, you would hope that some sort of compromise could be reached. We’re seeing an unstable compensation system wreaking havoc in the state (http://eng.am/pFPawi).

It’s hardly radical to want to fix that, even your traditional “blue” states like New York have come down on union benefits in an attempt to their states from further unfunded liabilities (http://eng.am/n5bzkO).

It’s true collective bargaining goes a long way in fixing these compensation issues, but should that goal be impossible to achieve, Ohio must find a way to ease the burden on taxpayers of the state.
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jbaindreamer
12:24 PM on 09/22/2011
The late, great Walter Ruether, founder of the UAW, was asked why the Union was involved in politics. Ruether replied " What the Union wins at the bargaining table can be taken away at the ballot box." Unfortunately, his words ring TRUE in today's America.
12:22 PM on 09/22/2011
Unions are responsible for the establishment of the great middle class. Without their hard won battles over wages, working conditions and benefits, the vast majority of American workers would still be working 12 hours days, 6 days a week, for less than minimum wage. Because of the war against unionizing started by Reagan when he fired the air traffic controllers, American workers now are on call 24/7, have stagnant or lower wages, and millions of jobs without benefits. And 9.2% have no job at all. Without the union movement, there would be no middle class and far more poverty -- in other words we would be a third world nation. Corporations in America have fought against every law, every practice, every effort to organize workers, and have closed plants and shipped jobs overseas. States like Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin were made by the unions. The corporations ruined them by closing plants and laying off workers. Now those states have few jobs, many towns have been devastated, many small businesses have gone bankrupt, they are in terrible condition. Getting rid of unions won't bring the jobs back. It will just impoverish more workers.
06:51 PM on 09/29/2011
so your for more taxes and less services
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11:35 AM on 09/22/2011
It is not an issue of organized civil servent benefits that the Ohio governor wants to cut it is the ability to dictate terms by eliminating the right to bargain and negotiate. I am sure that state worker are willing to help out in tough times by re-doing terms of their contracts but the basic right of colective bargaining should remain and by polls showing pro labor support overwhelming, issue 2 to repeal bill #5 is a done deal. Ohio voter are having buyers remorse with Gov. Kasich.
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12:16 PM on 09/22/2011
Thats especially true for Police and Firefighter Unions who also bargain for more/better equipment and on the job safety issues
06:40 PM on 09/29/2011
unions giving in to demands good one lol
11:31 AM on 09/22/2011
Democrats are holding their 2012 convention in one of the least unionized cities in America and staying in hotels with non-union labor, just like in 2008.

Democrats hire non-union people to protest...against non-union people.

Michael Moore uses non-union stagehands for his movies.

Nancy Pelosi uses non-union labor for her vineyards...even after receiving awards from labor unions.

Who's really anti-union now?
11:30 AM on 09/22/2011
he sucked on tv and even worse as a gov , another parasite rep that wont be around long
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Ricardo01
The poodle chews it.
11:11 AM on 09/22/2011
Sounds like Kasich wants it both ways. Busting unions while not wanting to be known as a union buster. He will end up having it neither way.

It was also wise for the union people that organized the referendum to recognize the need for a million signature pad, seeing how Ohio Republicans have thoroughly corrupted the voting in that state.
11:32 AM on 09/22/2011
It's Democrats who want it both ways, especially since their 2012 convention uses non-union labor.
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11:59 AM on 09/22/2011
How loudly would you have whinedbitchandmoaned if they bussed in Union workers for their convention? Why don't you just be honest and admit that you really don't care you're just looking for an excuse to whinbitchandmoan about something the Dem's did/didn't do?
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Hillbilly49
Don't tell me you are a Christian; let me guess.
11:04 AM on 09/22/2011
For a working man or woman to vote Republican this year is the same as a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.
    

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Num1Christy
Progressive Ohioan
10:45 AM on 09/22/2011
I implore people, regardless of political affiliation, to please recognize that this is not simply an attack on unions, but on all public sector employees within the state of Ohio. Those people and their families represent hundreds of thousands of citizens in Ohio... we are the middle class. Don't just stand in solidarity with union members, because you are excluding a large portion of people who are going to be adversely affected if this passes. Don't attack unions because you think they are the only ones who are fighting this.

Ohio has 697,700 employees of state and local governments. Of these, 358,276 work under union contract. Please don't forget about the rest of us.
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11:48 AM on 09/22/2011
But 697,700 workers is only a little over 6% of Ohio's population. How can that be a representation of the middle class. The number of union workers would only be about 3%.
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Num1Christy
Progressive Ohioan
12:05 PM on 09/22/2011
I said they represent hundreds and thousands of FAMILIES within Ohio. For every 1 employee we can safely assume they have a spouse and a couple of children, all the sudden 6% becomes 24%. I'm not saying every person is married and every person has 2 kids, some have a lot more than that... as we are talking about an older work force. Many of these employees also take care of not only their children, but their parents as well, and I'm not even attempting to calculate all of them. To imply that this ONLY affects 697,700 people in the state of Ohio is very naive and a weak point.
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jbaindreamer
12:25 PM on 09/22/2011
Very well stated, but to a very narrow minded audience. I feel sorry for you.
10:27 AM on 09/22/2011
Kasich also wants to drill in some of our state parks and sell our prisons to private companies. He got SB5 passed by creating a republican special committee and any of the republicans who did not agree with it were kicked off the committee and replaced with ones who would be in favor of the bill. If you would like to see some of the crazy garbage that Kasich has done you might like to look at Progress Ohio's website, he has been caught in some pretty bad situations.
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billhodges
Self Reliant Yet Charitable
10:23 AM on 09/22/2011
This article about Chicago Union bosses is a prime example of how the unions are all about power and money for themselves. How can any working person support something as corrupt as what is happening in Chicago and around the country.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-pensions-gannon-20110922,0,913026.story
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kellywelch
10:49 AM on 09/22/2011
They are a necessary evil since without them, there would be no minimum wage, not child labor laws, no 40 hour work week, no overtime pay, etc. They brought the middle class up to where people were making a decent wage and not killing themselves 60-100 hours a week in sweat shops with little pay and no benefits. I guess most people forget why the unions came about in the first place. I just never suspected that anybody would want to go back to that standard of living but breaking the unions is a slippery slope to that eventuality. Ponder on that before making the union members out to be the bad guys. We all benefit from them, whether we are members or not.
07:03 PM on 09/29/2011
you must be in public union because that still happening and getting worse.
11:05 AM on 09/22/2011
I thought the article was about Ohio and what is going on there for all public sector workers. Ohio. Not just union workers. All public sector workers.

The bill IS an attack on all public sector workers. It is an attack on their jobs, livelihood, and ability to represent themselves.