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Clergy Lobby Super Committee To Increase Taxes On The Wealthy

Religion And Taxation

First Posted: 09/20/11 06:49 PM ET Updated: 11/20/11 05:12 AM ET

As a Congressional super committee meets to put together a plan to cut at least $1.2 trillion from the federal deficit in the next decade, a coalition of dozens of religious voices sent a letter to members of the committee on Tuesday, urging them to consider increasing taxes on wealthy Americans.

The letter, addressed to Republican committee members Sen. Rob Portman (Ohio), Rep. Fred Upton (Mich.), Rep. Jeb Hensarling (Texas), Sen. Pat Toomey (Pa.), Sen. Jon Kyl (Ariz.) and Rep. Dave Camp (Mich.) was signed by 75 clergy and church representatives from states and districts the officials represent.

"You have a moral responsibility to work in a bipartisan manner to restore our nation’s long-term fiscal health in a way that does not worsen the immediate economic struggles of American families. As pastors and people of faith, we pray that you will give special consideration to programs that protect the American people from poverty, hunger and economic insecurity," read the letter.

It continued, "You have all endorsed a 'Taxpayer Protection Pledge' championed by Washington lobbyist Grover Norquist, which prohibits you from supporting revenue increases even when this rigid allegiance to ideology conflicts with fiscal responsibility and economic fairness. We believe this pledge to your political ally conflicts with a balanced, practical approach to deficit reduction. You are now faced with a politically difficult but morally clear choice. Do you consider the pledge you made to a Washington lobbyist more sacred than the pledge you swore on the Bible when you took office?"

The Congressional committee is made up of six Democrats and six Republicans. All the Republicans on the committee have signed the tax pledge the clergy's letter condemns, as have the almost all Republicans in Congress.

"Everyday, I see people that are suffering as a result of this economic recession. The people I see are not your typical inner-city homeless -- they are middle class people that have been punched in the gut," said the Rev. Cheri Holdridge, pastor of The Village Church in Toledo, Ohio. The United Church of Christ/United Methodist congregation's pastor joined with a handful of the letter's signees on a conference call Tuesday. "We have to cut spending and get creative in how to raise revenue... When I learned that half the members of the super committee have already signed a pledge refusing to vote for any kind of tax increase, I was simply flabbergasted," she said.

"We see firsthand week after week, month after month, men and women and children who are hungry and in need of help. Many of the people that come to us [at church] are the working poor," said Rev. Dan Scheid, rector at St. Augustine’s Episcopal Church in Benton Harbor, Mich. "We ask for shared sacrifice for finding this money to ask fellow Americans who have been abundantly blessed with high incomes."

Also on the call, organized by Washington, D.C.-based Faith in Public Life, was the Rev. Stephen Wayles, pastor of First Congregational United Church of Christ in Phoenix, Ariz. Much like other pastors, he said his church has had to stretch its resources to help congregants who have lost jobs and seen their homes foreclose in recent years.

"I have been a pastor for 31 years. I don't remember having as many church members uninsured, unemployed, underemployed as they are now," said Wayles. "We need jobs programs, not cuts in services... We need the wealthy among us to pay their fair share. The people who have benefited the most in the last four years must pay their fair share in taxes. ... We all answer to a higher authority than the Tea Party."

While the pastors speaking out on Tuesday support raising taxes on the wealthy as part of what they consider a Biblically-mandated "shared sacrifice," a poll released Tuesday showed that religious views on solutions to the nation's economic difficulties vary. The Baylor University survey found that Americans who believe God has a plan for their lives are more likely to think the government "does too much," more likely to oppose unemployment benefits for healthy people and more likely to believe in the "American dream" that anything is possible for those who work hard.

Those views parallel those of conservative religious groups such as the Washington, D.C.-based Institute on Religion and Democracy, members of which have spoken out in the past against increased taxation or federally-funded social programs playing a significant role in solving issues such as the government's high deficit or unemployment.

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As a Congressional super committee meets to put together a plan to cut at least $1.2 trillion from the federal deficit in the next decade, a coalition of dozens of religious voices sent a letter to me...
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sunshine14 07:41 PM on 09/20/2011
Funny God does not command us to pay our taxes does he?Or did God call the poor lazy did he? God test all of their true love and faith in him. He finds out what one worships first does he not? But has already told us it is not about taxes is it? When I was hungry did YOU give ME feed? When I was naked did you cloth me? When I was sick, did you care for me? When I was in prison did you come and visit me?  Read More...
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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
04:52 PM on 09/25/2011
Religious, often Methodist, social reformers in 19th century England believed that poverty as well as economic and social deprivation were evils to be ameliorated primarily because those conditions were seen as predisposing their victims to a life of sin, which would ultimately lead to a loss of salvation. Therefore they worked to upraise the poor as a means of improving the moral content of their lives and ultimately of achieving eternal salvation. If they were right then the social welfare states of northern Europe ought to have extremely low rates of premarital sex, abortion, divorce, out-of-wedlock births, drug and alcohol abuse, homosexuality and promiscuity by now and the churches should be full to overflowing. Has it worked out that way?
10:21 AM on 09/25/2011
how stupid was writing that letter......most definitely it was a waste of time
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ShoreSage
06:04 PM on 09/23/2011
Ask what Jesus would do. He'd kick the damn GOP outta the temple!!!!
Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
12:39 PM on 09/26/2011
Really? He did not advocate for government, but rather for individuals, to take care of each other. So why would he do as you suggest??
Semper fi
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AndyWright68
Freedom is inevitable!
01:51 AM on 09/23/2011
Taxation is theft and those who support it are accessories to theft.
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SmileAndActNice
Utilitarianism, the -ism that works.
11:40 AM on 09/23/2011
Using our roads etc without paying for them is theft and those who refuse are thrives.
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AndyWright68
Freedom is inevitable!
12:44 PM on 09/23/2011
Stealing people's land for roads is theft and stealing people's money to pay for the construction of roads is theft. Anyone who supports these crimes are accomplices.
10:22 AM on 09/25/2011
even i disagree with that one
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AndyWright68
Freedom is inevitable!
01:00 PM on 09/25/2011
Voting for someone to steal for you is just as bad doing the theft yourself. And if you benefit from the money stolen you are by definition an accomplice.
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SmileAndActNice
Utilitarianism, the -ism that works.
10:38 AM on 09/22/2011
The bible is a mirror. It calls for whatever you want it to call for as it reflects your heart.
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alterego55
"Always intended to be a factual statement"
07:41 PM on 09/21/2011
The only thing I've ever saw the Bible call for is more tithing.
10:19 PM on 09/25/2011
Tithing by definition is 10% of someone's wages, therefore it can't be increased.

As it was a law given to the Jews, we are not under that command. However, the blessing for giving is for everyone.

"Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it." Malachi 3:10
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JTyroler
knows that there is no GOP savior for 2012
05:27 PM on 09/21/2011
"The Baylor University survey found that Americans who believe God has a plan for their lives are more likely to think the government "does too much," more likely to oppose unemployment benefits for healthy people and more likely to believe in the "American dream" that anything is possible for those who work hard."

Wow. I grew up attending a Lutheran church and that seems almost the exact opposite of what I remember being taught in church. I'm now agnostic and, if this is how the religious in America feel about those less fortunate, I'm glad that I'm not one of them.

Many of these so-called religious people will claim that atheists, agnostics, gays, lesbians, secular humanists, abortion providers, etc. will be the end of America. They're wrong - they are the people hell bent (pun intended) on destroying the nation. I do wonder how many of these people are hoping that the 'rapture' will happen any day now and they are willing to do anything and everything to try to make sure that it happens.

Never put your future in the hands of someone who thinks there isn't much of a future in this life.
07:20 PM on 09/21/2011
Their culture wars may destroy the United States.
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JTyroler
knows that there is no GOP savior for 2012
10:05 PM on 09/21/2011
Don't they want to have the world be destroyed?
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alterego55
"Always intended to be a factual statement"
07:44 PM on 09/21/2011
All Abrahamic religions believe in world massacre to fulfill thier prophesies. They only differ in thier predictions of who will win, and the name of the savior who will take them to victory. Too bad we can't just put them all on an island and let them fight it out to see who was right - instead of dragging the rest of the world into their misguided ideologies.
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jeffneumanlee
12:55 PM on 09/22/2011
Your comment is a lie. Such ignorance does not help the discussion. Please study what you are talking about before you sermonize.
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John Camp
Pastor, teacher, former techie
04:50 PM on 09/21/2011
No pastor should be using his position or pulpit to promote any political agenda, left or right. Our agenda must be to preach the Gospel, first and last. If you systematically teach the whole counsel of God then you don't need to worry about how your people will vote.
06:17 PM on 09/21/2011
thank you agree
07:22 PM on 09/21/2011
To impose an apolitical life upon others is a political act.
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jeffneumanlee
12:56 PM on 09/22/2011
Absolutely true.
02:26 PM on 09/21/2011
There would be no problems if all serve all, for the good of all.But the real problem that creates a problem is greed who seek only to serve the few at the very expense of everyone else. Ignoring the problem the wealthy choose, but  that problem will still exist, further growing in numbers,  continue to  suffer to become even weaker, having no hope to restore itself or reduce the problem or numbers,  gets worst. The only problem that goes away will be the one for  the few the wealthy. The cost to  eliminating the problem of the wealthy, is far less experience and in knowing full well, at the same time,  much greater wealth will be gained instead of trying to solve the problem of others.
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rwaller
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02:08 PM on 09/21/2011
The republicans solution to all socioeconomic problems is not to face the problem. They believe they can simply legislate the problem into obscurity. If the government provides no services, the problem goes away. After all, all those pesky programs, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, etc only serve to remind the country there is a problem. If we were to eliminate them, then the reminder along with the problem would just go away. Cost of elimintating all the problems, zero. You can't get more republican than that.
01:58 PM on 09/21/2011
A new business adventure Caesar created was taxes no labor on his part to do so or earn. How Caesar acquired his wealth and to maintain his wealth and that along with starting wars on the weaker nations around him, to capture control of their natural resources wealth within and capturing a certain class of citizens human beings for slaves that to became his big business that brought in great wealth for Caesar, selling them as products.They accused others of being lazy, but his citizens or others citizens from other nations were not lazy, but the ones who were lazy, were the ones who gained their great ill gotten wealth through the grievous toils of hard working middle class Labor $$, the wealthy took from their own citizens.
10:31 AM on 09/25/2011
one has to have a hobby
01:49 PM on 09/21/2011
I find it so interesting that some Christians running never mention the Leviticus law where No Nation its to charge their own citizens (subjects, sons daughters interest on money loaned to them, never. And other Leviticus Laws that protect and give out clearly the Laws of Aliens Rights, foreigners.  rights( no one is illegal to God all are aliens only) Plus when it comes to taxes now oh my, fail to read were not taxes are to be impose upon their own subjects (sons and daughters of the Nation ) only foreigners. Mathew Chapter 17 verses 24-27. Seems like some of theses Christians love cherry picking also from OT and NT when it only suits their purpose and even, when not truly serving their purpose, they add their own understand into the mix, to confuses, twist and spin to it, so it will serve their own self motives in doing so. Interesting. Caesar created taxes for his own self interest not to be used for the good of all his citizens, which in Caesar time only foreigners paid taxes, not subjects-they were exempt from the Nations own citizens. But now taxes have been applied on all now, while the same very few like in Caesar time paid nothing, the wealthy.
02:28 PM on 09/21/2011
Matthew 17:24-27 doesn't actually say what you think it says. Peter, not Jesus, thinks that foreigners should pay tax instead of the locals. Jesus pays the tax for himself and Peter instead.
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WESmith
Just say no to gasoline
02:32 PM on 09/21/2011
At the time of Leviticus, there was no nation of Israel. They were tribes. They were families. The nation of Israel happened later and the first thing God told them was to not mix church and religion. Religion was relegated to one tribe and kingship was relegated to another tribe. When Jesus ran around, he preached separation of church and state. He said to render unto Caesar that which is Caesars and render unto God that which is God's. People didn't like that type of preaching. The people chose Jesus Barabas, who preached "get rid of the Romans" to live and Jesus Christ to die because he didn't. The Roman government believed in giving charity to the people as a means of controlling them. The Jews were suppose to be charitable to anyone that knocked on their gate.
05:02 PM on 09/21/2011
Well I question greatly the Romans believed in charity to the people why were believers put to death and why were the people all held under an imperial domination ruled by a Roman military oppression upon the people. Why if  Roman was so into charity did Jesus go only to all the poor, orphans, widows, the ill, outcasts, down trodden who were clearly abused by this power? Whom Jesus came to take out of the bondage of the Romans? Jesus had no palls in Government nor in both powers religion or Government. Why did Jesus turn  the tables over of the money changers, on the temple porch? Caesar was receiving taxes also from sales and the believers where being told to get forgiveness now they had to purchase to go and offer to God to receive repentance? Jesus did not fear either, for Jesus threaten and disturbed their job securities of both $$? Jesus also returned to reteach what was sadly being lost. Israelites where now taking on the man made rituals they were seeing around the Nations. Exactly what God told them not to do ever.  There was no charity being offered, Jesus knew that, but the few of power were getting richer through the grievous toils hard labor $of their own citizens. People in Jesus time lived in great oppression, lived and through many many wars and the people lived in great fear, suppressed,  if they did not comply with Government or religious rules. paganism lived more freely, for it was the religion of the state. Christianity did not become Law,  that freedom to practice never came to be, not for over 350 years after Christ, by the Catholic Church, that  fought for that religious freedom. Love all
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John Camp
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05:03 PM on 09/21/2011
You couldn't be more wrong about the history of Israel. Moses delivers the following message from God to the nation of Israel at Sinai (Exodus 19:5-6) "Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples, for all the earth is mine; and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation." Saul the first King of Israel was of the tribe of Benjamin and none of the kings of the Northern Kingdom (in the period of the divided kingdom) were of the tribe of Judah. Not only was the priestly tribe (Levi) scattered among the lands of the other twelve, all Israelites (from all tribes) were required to participate in the 7 high festivals (see Leviticus 23). Israel was a theocracy (thus the sin of demanding a king see 1 Samuel 8)
01:06 PM on 09/21/2011
What I just do not understand is when the US government became the sole vehicle for helping our neighbor or the less fortunate? It seems that some believe that the only way we can serve or help our neighbor is by paying more taxes to the government.

Every last one of us can be a blessing to another. Helping others can be in many forms beyond our government. Churches as also called upon to serve and bless the less fortunate and many churches do a wonderful job of this. Individuals can help others through our time, energy and resources. Contributions can be made in the form of money, food, clothing, manual labor - any number of methods.

While the government does provide many important benefits for the needy, we cannot rely upon Uncle Sam to be the sole provider. Being against higher taxes is not the equivalent to being against the less fortunate any more than being less fortunate is the equivalent to being lazy.

Taxes aside, if every person helped another person in some way - however small - each day, the impact would eclipse that of all the government programs combined.
02:42 PM on 09/21/2011
Agree with. What I do not understand, when did government become -not the sole vehicle- for which it was created to do in helping, over seeing, providing laws of order, laws of righteousness, freedom rights, protection rights for all, that distributes equality rights to all its citizens? And when unfair Tax Codes entered in, that places heavy tax burdens on the larger in numbers and reduces taxes on the few?

When did money? profits? becoming more honorable, far greater in value, then life, human beings themselves? When did money profits become the New God to be worshiped, bowed to, sacrificed to  first? When it became the Law of the Nation, that  Corporations are now a person? if a person is not a Corporation, they become void?
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stageplay
All the world's a stage.
12:27 PM on 09/21/2011
The government is us. We the people. Ours is supposed to be a government of, for, and by the people. Unfortunately, that has changed. It has become a government of, for, and by the corporations and lobbyists. It has been corrupted. The trickle down theory has had the opposite effect. For the past thirty years this "trickle down" theory has not trickled down, it has trickled up. Thus, the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten more poor. Yet the Republican party continues its failed "trickle down" mantra referring to the rich as "job creators" who must not have their taxes raised. These "job creator" taxes were cut when Bush first became president, and as we have now seen, it resulted in a net loss of jobs. This is proof that the Republican "trickle down" theory is just smoke and mirrors dedicated to making the rich wealthier and the corporations more powerful. We need to take back our government from the corporations and the lobbyists, and that will never happen as long as we continue to move to the right and keep electing Republicans into power. The greed of the religious right is anti-Christian. So quit giving them more power.
01:02 PM on 09/21/2011
The greed of the religious right may be anti-Christian, but the "all-is-permissible" attitude of the Liberal Left is just as much so.
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alterego55
"Always intended to be a factual statement"
06:19 PM on 09/22/2011
Its ok to be anti-Christian in the United States.
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WESmith
Just say no to gasoline
02:42 PM on 09/21/2011
The US Government (us) makes more money in the Petroleum Industry than all 14,000 Oil & Gas Companies in the US combined. (Over a trillion a year)
The US Government (us) owns all of the money used in the US.
The US Government (us) owns almost all of the coal, oil, natural gas, precious minerals still in the ground.
The US Government (us) controls all corporations, requiring them to pay taxes on money they make in the US, requires them to produce audited financial statements and buy and sell according to government rules..
The US Government (us) does not require government agencies to provide audited financial reports.
The US Government (us) requires the CEOs of major corporations to perform song and dance on national TV, while our Representatives give political speeches.
03:56 PM on 09/21/2011
So when did the US Government ( 98%us) the larger in numbers, become gravely poorer then the US Government (us 2%) of the wealthy that wholes all the Nations US Government (98%us) wealth then? How did that happen? And when does the Government US (us) Petroleum revenues,  receive oil revenues, war revenues, coal revenue, natural gas revenues, precious mineral revenues, when do does the US Government (98% us) receive ones personal profit revenue chqs, whether monthly or yearly payments,  like Alaska does or the Arab Nation does? Notice also why does the US Government  (98%us) not see ones own financial reports then? Yet I am sure US Government (2% us) see it often? And if the US Government (98% us) are owners of all, then why are the owners being told what to do with their own money and need to even pay taxes on top even? Interesting how (98%us) are poorer then the (2%us) who hold all the wealth of the Nation? How did that happen to the US Government of the (98% us?)

And do not the middle class also -pay taxes on money they make and the middle class also have to show and have to produce yearly audited financial statment on earnings also? And do not all 98% us, have to buy and sell according to the government rules having no exceptions, like tax loop holes like the 2% us have?  And why is 98% of us more poorer in debt into the Trillions, paying off that debt yet being so rich yet so poor, while the 2% us, holds all the wealth of the Nation, the all 98% us put together then?
12:23 PM on 09/21/2011
Heaven is not a place. It is a space. Or a state of consciousness. Heaven does not exist "somewhere - out there." and if it did imagine how much it might cost to get our bags there?

Just saying..........
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WESmith
Just say no to gasoline
02:48 PM on 09/21/2011
Scientists tell us there are at least 12 dimensions of space-time.
Beyond 3 dimensions, we can't see them without using The Calculus and imaginary numbers.
Scientists tell us that everything is space or there is no space.
Scientists tell us there is no such thing as time. It is a man-made convenience.
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Mr Anonymous
Mumpsimus, I am not entertained!
08:13 PM on 09/22/2011
If you need a scientist to tell you that there is no such thing as time and its man-made, then you might need to talk to a lot more scientists then you are right now. I thought that everyone understood that from the most basic of science classes.
03:20 PM on 09/21/2011
Heaven is a place. Heaven is a place where only Love, Peace and Joy live. Peace will only be found where Righteousness lives.  And the Place where Righteousness lives, is called Heaven. We only think there is no place such as Heaven, for we have never known or found the place of  Peace either. And the place of Peace, will only be found where Righteousness Lives, in Heaven. Love all
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Mr Anonymous
Mumpsimus, I am not entertained!
08:14 PM on 09/22/2011
How do I get to that place? Because I'd like to start packing soon.