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Debt Collectors: Struggling Economy Brings Ups And Downs For Business

Debt Collecters

By WAYNE PARRY   09/21/11 11:54 AM ET  AP

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. -- These are the best of times, and the worst of times, for America's debt collectors.

The prolonged economic turmoil has created more opportunity than ever for the profession, even while making it harder than ever to get folks to pay up.

A gathering of debt collectors in Atlantic City this week found many willing to work out payment plans with debtors in which payments of as little as $5 or $10 a month are acceptable.

"It's harder to collect than ever because people are in genuine hardship," said Harry Strausser III, president of the Mid-Atlantic Collectors Association, who has his own collection agency in Bloomsburg, Pa. "With unemployment the way it is and the terrible foreclosures, people are having a harder time making ends meet. There's more potential business, and we're having a tougher time trying to collect it."

Also growing is the number of consumer complaints about debt collectors. The Federal Trade Commission says it receives more complaints from consumers about debt collectors than any other industry. Last year, it received 140,036 such complaints, up from 119,609 in 2009.

"They called me three or four times a day, every day, asking all kinds of personal questions, like am I married, do I have custody of my kids, can my kids pay this bill?" Scott Tillman III, a 53-year-old musician from Oroville, Calif., told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. He said he was harassed over an auto lease for a vehicle he returned to a dealership 15 years ago.

Businesses nationwide placed $150 billion worth of debt with collection agencies last year, Strausser said. Of that total, agencies were able to collect about $40 billion, a figure that has held roughly steady for the past three years.

There are 4,100 debt collection agencies in the United States, employing nearly 450,000 people, and the industry expects to grow by as much as 26 percent over the next three years.

The industry averages about 20 percent recovery on delinquent debt, Strausser said. Several decades ago, it averaged 30 percent.

Sometimes that amount is shared on a contingency basis with the business to which a consumer owes money. Other times, a debt collection agency will buy debt from businesses at a discount and keep whatever it can pry from the debtor. That part of the industry has grown significantly in recent years, collectors said.

The most common consumer complaints against debt collectors involved three big no-nos under federal law: calling a debtor repeatedly or constantly; misrepresenting the amount or status of a debt; and failing to notify consumers of their rights in writing.

About half the complaints dealt with repeated calls from collectors. More than 20,000 people said debt collectors falsely threatened to have them arrested or seize their property, and more than 17,500 said collectors used profanity or abusive language on the phone. Nearly 4,200 consumers said a collector threatened them with violence if they did not pay up.

"The way collection agencies try to get money from people who have less of it is to get more aggressive," said Sergei Lemberg, a Connecticut attorney who represents debtors who feel harassed. "We get cases every day from people who have collection agencies calling them six, seven, 10 times a day. My own mother doesn't call me three times a day."

Tillman, one of Lemberg's clients, told the agency calling him that he did not owe the debt on the vehicle he had already returned. Under the law, when a consumer disputes a debt, the agency is supposed to investigate the situation and if the debt is not owed, halt further collection efforts.

"Then the threats started," he said. "They said, `We're going to take it out of your Social Security.' Because I'm black, they had someone who was black call me as if they knew me, saying, `Hey Scotty, man, when you gon' give us our money, man?' One day one of them called and said, `We're coming down there and we're going to put your ass in jail and take you for everything you've got."

Kevin McNeill, 26, of Modesto, Calif., also got threatening calls for a $500 debt he incurred after a divorce. He was willing to pay it in two monthly installments but said the collector insisted on everything up front.

"I get this call at work, and this guy is just going off, calling me a thief, a criminal, and saying that the sheriff's office would be there in 10 minutes to arrest me in front of my co-workers," he told the AP by telephone. "Then he threatened to call the owner of the company and say, `Do you know you have a thief working in your finance department?'"

Collectors interviewed this week in Atlantic City said such tactics, aside from being illegal, just don't work.

"Some agencies are into the intimidating side," said Jeff Kotula, a manager with a Scranton, Pa., collection agency who trains others in acceptable techniques. "They try to scare people into paying. We don't do that. We try to explain to people we're helping them get their credit rating back."

Yet, collection agencies are quick to point out that unpaid debt is never truly written off: Someone, somewhere, has to eat it. An industry-sponsored study says debt collectors save the average U.S. household $354 a year in costs it otherwise would have been charged if businesses raised prices to cover losses instead of recovering it through a collection agency.

"Say you own a small flower shop, and someone doesn't pay a $3,000 bill," Strausser said. "That's a big hit for a small business. So next year, you charge more for deliveries or add $5 to the price of an arrangement to try to make up for that lost money."

Kotula said most collection agencies will offer a debtor the option to slowly pay off the debt_ as little as $5 or $10 a month in some cases. Some agencies will also offer settlements in which some of the outstanding debt can be forgiven if the rest is paid up front.

"We have a lot of people who want to pay; they just don't know how they can do it and still be able to live their lives," said Hope Palmer, a Pennsylvania collections manager. "The most difficult situation is the person who has been unemployed for several years and can't find a job and can't pay their bills. That's most of our calls."

In those cases, she said, a collector is trained to look for alternatives: Do you have relatives who can help you pay? Do you have a 401(k) account you can tap, or stock you can sell?

"We won't turn away anything," Palmer said. "There is always a way to work something out."

Kotula said his agency never technically gives up on an unpaid debt.

"You never want to count it out," he said. "People's situations can change in three months. They may get a job and they can pay $25 a month."

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ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. -- These are the best of times, and the worst of times, for America's debt collectors. The prolonged economic turmoil has created more opportunity than ever for the profession, ev...
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Esther21072011
I'm one of the 53% that pays taxes
10:02 AM on 09/23/2011
And always check your credit report every year. A friend of my daughters (then 21) found out that his identity had been stolen AFTER $9,000 in credit card debt was wracked up and bill collectors began to call. The ID thief? His own mother!

I was shocked he actually did it - but he did report it to the police, we disputed the debt, and they wiped it clean.

I did tell him to keep those letters from Citibank admitting it was not his debt for FOREVER. And I kept a copy for him in my lockbox too
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08:09 PM on 09/22/2011
Citi sends two or three pre-approved credit offers every week. They get fed money at close to 0% and want to lone it to me at 18%.
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bookreader451
"You can't ever have my books," she said.
08:42 PM on 09/22/2011
but sh^tty bank has this new 21 month interest free card at 12%. I took adavantage because I can put my tuition and books on it, graduate and pay before the interest free runs out. CC are only as good as their interest free offers.
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dblohangel
Rebel with a cause and an attitude!
12:27 PM on 09/23/2011
CC are only as good as the interest rate *and* the person who manages the credit issued. ;=D
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rda1911a1
God Bless John Browning
04:50 PM on 09/22/2011
Can we turn over the solyndra and gm debt to a collection agency?
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lindaj3884
03:04 PM on 09/22/2011
I had a bankruptcy several years ago and collectors are still harrassing me. I keep getting the this is Officer so and so from legal department with a case of fraud against your social security number. It says to have the attorney of record call. My attorney called and they hung up on him and would not tell the company I supposedly owed the debt too. They have harrassed my mother as well. This gentleman is obviously from India and they obviously have phone banks that link into the US so every time they call a different number and area code comes up and it is the same person. I know what they are doing is illegal but nobody is doing anything to stop it.
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Esther21072011
I'm one of the 53% that pays taxes
09:47 AM on 09/23/2011
Old low tech trick from long ago. Tell momma to keep a whistle next to the phone - when he calls - blow the whistle as long and loud as she can. He'll stop calling her.
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DCinFrance
As a matter of fact, it's all dark.
01:56 PM on 09/22/2011
It's tragically funny, in the Greek sense. This is a debt based economic system. That is, for every "dollar" (let's call them units because in this closed loop system, it doesn't matter the currency) you borrow, up to 19 new units are generated out of thin air. I have to laugh when people complain about "printing more money". Your 'money' is nothing but digits in a computer server. You see, your "credit rating" is nonsense. They will always lend more...they have to in this system. There is no way out. Deadbeats my royal behind. What people, who are blinded by their own materialism don't understand, is that YOU have the power. Not them.
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DON McDONALD
Politics is NOT a spectator sport, get involved
01:33 PM on 09/22/2011
Then there's the lowest of the low in collections, those who hound family members who don't owe a debt and have nothing to do with it...

Example: If your parent dies, leaving no estate and some debts, these jokers (who buy these debts for 2 or 3 cents on the dollar) will attempt through intimidation to collect from the children who legally owe them nothing.
04:21 PM on 09/22/2011
I understand your point completely.

The collections agencies still try because they are banking on that the person don't know their rights and responsibilities.
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mrhandyman3105
Independent Voter
01:04 PM on 09/22/2011
One of the tactics of debt collectors are using regarding long overdue debts (over 7-10yrs, and past the time when it drops off your credit report) is to bundle the debts and sell them to another collector. The new collector then attempts to "validate" expired debts (past the period when it drops off your credit reports). It successful in getting you to acknowledge the debt they then send a report to the credit agencies placing it back in your credit record for another 7yrs. and then hound you to pay.
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DON McDONALD
Politics is NOT a spectator sport, get involved
01:36 PM on 09/22/2011
The only way to deal with those folks is to say if called, "I have no legal debt owed to you, if you think I do, sue me, otherwise if you contact me again I will be filing a complaint against you. If you are contacted by mail, respond the same way by certified mail, return receipt requested.
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rda1911a1
God Bless John Browning
04:52 PM on 09/22/2011
How about this crazy idea pay your dead beat debts
04:25 PM on 09/22/2011
I don't think it drops off the credit report, but my understanding is that each and everything a collector calls or write you, that constitutes a current debt.

The key is to not have them call or write the person for the next 7 to 10 years.

Heck, they have resorted to doing internet search on a person to obtain telephone numbers and addresses.

IMHO, if the company sold the debt to a collections agency, the debt should be null and void.

When will the credit reporting agencies get out of bed with businesses.
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Esther21072011
I'm one of the 53% that pays taxes
09:50 AM on 09/23/2011
Yes, negatives do drop off your credit report after several years.

-When will the credit reporting agencies get out of bed with businesses­. -

Never, that is their purpose for existing.
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pooka47401
Reality is the leading cause of stress!
12:37 PM on 09/22/2011
What makes me angry is that they are calling every person in an area with the same name as the person that they are trying to collect from. A guy in my town has my name and I have received robo calls and human calls. First I have to access their system to call them back.Of course it is an automated answering system which requests my account number. It is impossible to give them my account number when I don't have one with them. When I finally, after 10 minutes, reach a real person, then they want all of my information to make sure that I am not the person that they are trying to collect from. Then they may pass me the number to the actual company who is calling on the Banks behalf, because the company or Bank can't delete my number directly. After that it takes 6 times, over several weeks to get my number removed from their calls. One woman asked me why I was so angry at her. This was after she asked for my address, social security number, where I worked, after I told her that I was the WRONG PERSON.
There should be laws that restrict companies just blanket calling all persons with the same name as their object. Invasion of privacy or something....
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Esther21072011
I'm one of the 53% that pays taxes
09:53 AM on 09/23/2011
I get calls for folks that have had my phone number in the past or use it now bogusly. Don't call them back -they track the call number and you've just confirmed you have a valid land line and that you might be the person since you actually called them back.

One called and was looking for someone with my ex-husband's first name - but a diff middle name - they wanted my ex's contact info - I was tempted - but told them NO and hung up.

You have no expectation of privacy if you answer the phone -you 'invited them in'
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pooka47401
Reality is the leading cause of stress!
11:31 AM on 09/23/2011
If I don't call them back, they just continue to call!
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jbaindreamer
11:49 AM on 09/22/2011
There are always going to be deadbeats, but this HUGE increase of Non-payments are from hard working, high moral people who have ALWAYS paid their bills, but have been reduced to poverty, from the quickly disappearing middle class.

What's that old saying "You can't get blood out of a turnip"
01:24 PM on 09/22/2011
The quickly disappearing middle class is because people ran up massive credit cardd debt using easy credit and took out risky mortgages with adjustable rates and no-downpayments.
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DCinFrance
As a matter of fact, it's all dark.
02:03 PM on 09/22/2011
You couldn't be more wrong, José. But, avoiding a long lecture in this debt-based economic system that will consume this planet if revolution doesn't before then, let's make a little analogy on your thesis.

I used to fish a lot as a kid in Wisconsin. One of the cardinal rules was against snagging. You with me? Snagging was to find fish that were vulnerable and yanking a treble hook into them, and reeling them ashore. It was against the law. Very few fish were prosecuted.
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JohnTheMac
Now, why don't you go home and get your shine box?
05:54 PM on 09/22/2011
If you call it "easy credit", that mans it was GIVEN easily too.
What the hell were they thinking?
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DON McDONALD
Politics is NOT a spectator sport, get involved
11:37 AM on 09/22/2011
It's worth noting that most states have statutes of limitation on debts...if they haven' t sued you by then (and these folks don't sue they just make noise) it's no longer a legally collectable debt.

In CA for example, it's 4 years...after that start sending complaints to the CA Dept. of Consumer Affairs.

They'll go away really fast...
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JohnTheMac
Now, why don't you go home and get your shine box?
10:43 AM on 09/22/2011
It sounds like the FIRST bill to quit paying is the PHONE bill!
09:50 AM on 09/22/2011
One of my ex-bfs was called out to a 17,000 square foot home in Bluebell, PA, for a service call. He asked the staff member of the house what the owner did: collection agency boss.
10:02 AM on 09/22/2011
It can be profitable. A good bet right now is collection company stocks. Take advantage of it, make some money.
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09:13 AM on 09/22/2011
The big question for 2012 “is”.
How do you keep the crook’s from robbing you?
When the courts and police work for the crook’s.
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rda1911a1
God Bless John Browning
05:00 PM on 09/22/2011
pay cash
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howtowasteyourlife
09:01 AM on 09/22/2011
Debt collectors are pretty far down the list of people I give a crap about.
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rda1911a1
God Bless John Browning
05:02 PM on 09/22/2011
yeah right up there with lawyers and community orginizers
06:36 PM on 09/22/2011
Learn to spell.
08:59 AM on 09/22/2011
Book for Canadians ... The Wolf At The Door: What To Do When Collection Agencies Come Calling

http://www.collection-calls.ca/wolf-at-the-door-book.html