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Iraq U.S. Military Decisions Slowed By Budget Problems

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By LARA JAKES and QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA   09/21/11 01:48 PM ET   AP

BAGHDAD -- Budget battles are the latest roadblock delaying a decision by Baghdad on how many U.S. troops it might request stay in Iraq, although a top government official predicts the American military will remain as a training force beyond a year-end departure deadline.

Deputy Prime Minister Hussain al-Shahristani said there's no way to estimate how many troops would be asked to stay, or what exactly they will be doing, until parliament passes its $110 billion spending plan for 2012.

Iraq's Cabinet could tentatively sign off on the budget as early as next week, but parliament has until the end of the year to approve it.

"We are on a very tight budget," al-Shahristani said in an Associated Press interview Tuesday. But once the spending plan is settled, "then the Cabinet, and then I expect also the parliament, will approve that training program along with the purchase of the equipment."

Despite the delays, the comments by al-Shahristani, a major figure in Iraq's Shiite political leadership, were one of the most certain signs yet that Baghdad has decided to seek some sort of U.S. presence, likely numbering several thousand. With about three months before the deadline, U.S. leaders are increasingly agitated with Iraq's reluctance to say whether it will ask U.S. troops to stay beyond the Dec. 31 departure date required by a 2008 security agreement between Washington and Baghdad.

Iraqi officials have been torn between their needs for U.S. help in security and public pressure for the Americans to leave – particularly from Shiite militants who threaten violence if they stay.

There are currently 44,500 U.S. troops in Iraq, due to fall to 40,000 by the end of the month, according to U.S. Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen. Starting in October, an estimated 1,000 troops will leave daily.

American officials said Iraq's government has not told them exactly what a continued U.S. military presence would do.

Al-Shahristani, an English-speaking Shiite seen as a possible successor to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, said one task American troops won't be asked to continue is joint patrols with Iraqi forces.

"We are very confident that we have enough trained forces in the country to deal with any terrorist activities or disturbances in Iraq," he said.

But he called it "extremely important" that Americans help in a training program, particularly for Iraq's nascent air and naval forces to protect its airspace and oil terminals in the Persian Gulf.

The mission's size would depend in part on Iraqi defense purchases, including billions of dollars worth of fighter jets and patrol ships Iraq is buying from American manufacturers.

Iraq's Defense Ministry has not told its own government what equipment it needs, said al-Shahristani.

Iraq's budget plan calls for spending $17.1 billion on defense and national security for 2012 – up from $10.2 billion this year, said government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh. The rise reflects the need for the new equipment, he said, although promises to give more aid to Iraq's poor, provide nationwide electricity and revitalize cities have stretched funding thin.

Iraq has been looking to buy around $11.5 billion worth of equipment from the U.S. since 2003 – a quarter of which has not yet been approved. It's not clear how much Iraq has so far spent on the equipment.

When – or if – the request comes, there's no guarantee the White House will agree. The U.S. is grappling with its own economic woes, and President Barack Obama is facing re-election after promising in 2009 to end the war in Iraq on schedule.

Mullen told reporters at the Pentagon on Tuesday that it was still too early to say what will emerge from negotiations between Washington and Baghdad.

"It is a hard process to take into consideration, obviously, how the Iraqis see their needs in the future, what they want their relationship with us to be," he said.

The Obama administration is considering 3,000 to 5,000 troops for an Iraqi training mission, according to officials in Washington familiar with the discussions who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release the information. Al-Shahristani said no specific range of numbers for the training mission has been discussed. One Iraqi lawmaker close to al-Maliki, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, said Baghdad may ask only for about 2,500 forces – a level that likely would be accepted by his war-weary public.

Another lawmaker, Iskandar Witwit of the Sunni-dominated Iraqiya political coalition – a rival of al-Maliki's bloc – said Iraqis could accept a force solely for training or protecting the embassy.

"If it is a battle force, then accepting it would be very hard," said Witwit, deputy head of parliament's defense and security committee.

A training mission would also require the U.S. military to deploy troops to protect the force, the U.S. military says.

Hawkish U.S. politicians and Kurdish officials who have long relied on American support in Iraq argue that a few thousand soldiers will not be enough.

"Such an approach would disregard the recommendations of our military commanders, jeopardize Iraq's tenuous stability and needlessly put at risk all of the hard-won gains the United States has achieved there at enormous cost in blood and treasure," Republican Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham and independent Sen. Joe Lieberman said in an opinion article in The Washington Post this week.

The U.S. also insists any deal include legal protections to limit Iraqi courts from prosecuting American forces. Parliament would have to approve immunity, an unpopular move among Iraqis after the 2007 shooting by private U.S. security guards that killed 17 people but could not be prosecuted by Iraqi courts because of an immunity deal.

Al-Shahristani said he could not speculate on whether parliament would approve immunity but maintained his belief that a training mission deal will be reached.

He said all of Iraq's major political groups agree some sort of training mission is needed – except for the followers of anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, who has threatened a surge in violence if the U.S. troops remain into 2012.

"We reject even the staying of trainers," said Sadrist lawmaker Mushraq Naji. "Our stance is clear and that all U.S. troops should leave. Negotiations to keep them here run against the will of the Iraqi people."

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Associated Press Writers Sameer N. Yacoub and Hamid Ahmed contributed to this report.

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03:03 PM on 09/22/2011
give the iraqis what they want. they want us to leave iraq. give them what they want.
12:39 AM on 09/22/2011
You mean we're not pulling out all the troops? Lordy lordy.......what's the world coming to?
08:03 PM on 09/21/2011
And what about that $800 million boondoggle called the "Mother of all embassies"?
Mochilero
Have backpack, will travel
07:45 PM on 09/21/2011
Don't worry. There is still enough money to spend five billion dollars a year running our fortress embassy.
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1776 or 1984
IT'S AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC!
07:18 PM on 09/21/2011
Of course all of the airfields and bases will remain in Iraq. Because Iran is next, regardless of which Empire party is steering the ship.

The US Empire wants its oil back before those pesky Iranians get a N u K e to protect their oil.

Check list before attacking Iran...

Propaganda, check

Oil war Iraq, check

Oil war Libya, check

Caspian Sea oil pipeline war Afghanistan, check

The US Empire's surrounding never ending bases, airfields and command and control centers in...
Iraq,
Afghanistan,
Kuwait,
Qatar,
Bahrain,
Jordan,
United Arab Emirates,
Oman,
Tajikistan,
Uzbekistan, and
Kyrgyzstan

CHECK

If I missed some, feel free to add some LOL.

Oh, please add how many carrier groups are available and how many C I A agents are inside Iran helping to create a Libya-like uprising, which BTW, was what the C I A did in Iran in 1953 when they installed their last oil king -- who some called The Shah of oil.
05:36 PM on 09/21/2011
The big lie:

October 27, 2007 -- OBAMA: "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home, we will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank."
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Baneblade
Subversive Individual
08:09 PM on 09/21/2011
I tried to take that to the bank, but they repossessed my car.
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Jon106
Be true to all
05:12 PM on 09/21/2011
If these people really want to be trained, they can pay for it. It is time to come home.
sammy3110
Humpty Dumpty was pushed
04:38 PM on 09/21/2011
Not to worry, the historic Nobelist and his right-wing Congress will find ways to continue support of US military adventures, past present and future. And there's not a blinking thing you can do about it, so why worry?
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08:26 AM on 09/26/2011
you have the power to vote them out of office. vote.
04:25 PM on 09/21/2011
This entire troop withdrawal is nothing but Democratic (And Obama) smoke and mirrors issue. All that will result is that the entire US contingent will become "ADVISERS". Get out NOW!!!!
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Freedom and Peace
War is a bankruptcy of policy
04:23 PM on 09/21/2011
It's time to elect a President for PEACE that would end all wars and bring all the troops home.

Ron Paul: I'd consider putting Dennis Kucinich in my cabinet as head of the "Department of Peace".

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20109638-503544.html
05:11 PM on 09/21/2011
No, bad call, you're trusting a man who claims to have been in contact with UFOs.
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Freedom and Peace
War is a bankruptcy of policy
06:10 PM on 09/21/2011
He would be 10 times better as Secretary of State than Hillary Clinton...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctf6AoR6vNo

and Ron Paul as a true leader recognizes that.
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Baneblade
Subversive Individual
08:10 PM on 09/21/2011
Ronny the Racist says 'Keep the White House WHITE!'
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Freedom and Peace
War is a bankruptcy of policy
01:33 AM on 09/22/2011
If only all politicians were this "racist" in Washington...

http://tinyurl.com/ywgxks

Ron Paul is the ONLY statesman, who luckily is also running for President, who wants to end the two most institutio­­­­­­naliz­e­d forms of racism since segregatio­­­­­­n; the drug war and the prison industrial complex.
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Alexey Braguine
Author of Kingmaker, a novel
03:23 PM on 09/21/2011
Yeah! American troops are needed in Iraq. and troops to protect the troops and troops to protect the troop protectors. Maybe one could add a few more troops to find Cheney´s WMDs. If they manage to get the Sadrists really ticked off, more troops could be needed.

Then there is that humongous US embassy recently built that needs to be stuffed with people and their protectors that needs protection.

Brenner, compared Iraq with Germany. He was right in doing so. 67 years ago Americans went into Germany. The Nazis are gone Americans are still there. The USSR is gone, Americans are still in Germany.

Guess what will happen in Iraq. "Until debt breaks us appart."
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08:32 AM on 09/26/2011
we knew that sadam had weapons of mass destruction, because we gave them to him. he had an eight year war with iran and we didn't want him to lose.
03:21 PM on 09/21/2011
Great idea, it can happen quick and will save trillions...

1. Leave Iraq, and every other country we are occupying...
2. Leave Iraq, and every other country we are occupying...
3. Leave Iraq, and every other country we are occupying...

Can you get that in your stupid Republican heads…Leave and do it now…
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DeathSquad
Founding member of A.R.L.A.
03:40 PM on 09/21/2011
Commander in Chief is currently a Dem, dude...
05:38 PM on 09/21/2011
You think so, eh?
05:12 PM on 09/21/2011
President Obama could order a withdraw at any time.
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08:33 AM on 09/26/2011
he is the commander in chief of the military.
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Don Cox
03:11 PM on 09/21/2011
Bring them all home now
03:05 PM on 09/21/2011
Sitting here in Iraq it is starting to be evident that we are leaving. Soldiers coming and going. Painting over buildings. The biggest individuals on the base are contractors who will be here long after the military. The facilities that the soldiers use are falling apart. KBR doesn't fix much. Tearing down things. Less than 90 days and we all will be gone. We are happy for that.
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KMAJ
Iraq war Veteran
07:43 PM on 09/21/2011
Where you at? I just left Camp Victory and it's a virtual ghost town. We are staging at another location now for the move out. The biggest hold up seems to be the Iraqi government. It seems the one thing they have learned about democracy is red-tape.
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nirek
Proud progressive Vietnam vet. against WAR
02:51 PM on 09/21/2011
If we stay they should pay.
Otherwise bring our people home.