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Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Quartet Offer Seeks To Bridge Gaping Divide

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First Posted: 09/23/11 08:57 PM ET Updated: 11/23/11 05:12 AM ET

UNITED NATIONS -- Palestinian officials submitted a bid for statehood recognition at the United Nations General Assembly Friday, on a day of frenetic diplomacy that began with clear articulations of the Israeli-Palestinian divide and ended, hours later, with a Western proposal for resuming peace negotiations, and very little by way of resolution.

Palestinian Liberation Organization chairman Mahmoud Abbas submitted his application for statehood to the U.N. secretary general around 11:30 a.m., an hour or so before he delivered a fiery General Assembly address that took many observers by surprise for the ferocity of its tone.

"Settlement activities embody the core of the policy of colonial military occupation of the land of the Palestinian people and all of the brutality of aggression and racial discrimination against our people that this policy entails," Abbas said, at one particularly heated moment in his speech. "This policy, which constitutes a breach of international humanitarian law and United Nations resolutions, is the primary cause for the failure of the peace process, the collapse of dozens of opportunities."

Abbas' rhetoric was matched shortly afterward by a strongly worded speech from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who offered to hold immediate peace negotiations with Abbas, but not before he lashed out at the Palestine Liberation Organization leadership and the U.N. itself and made a cryptic reference to the "the insatiable crocodile of militant Islam."

Both leaders, notably, accused the other's people of having practiced "ethnic cleansing."

Then, around 3:00 p.m., European officials in the international gang of diplomats known as the Quartet let it be known that they would be releasing a statement calling for a regimented timeline for resumed negotiations: preliminary meetings in one month, detailed proposals from both sides within three.

Both Tony Blair, the former British prime minster and the Quartet's permanent envoy, and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton cheerfully addressed reporters, welcoming the Quartet's recommendation as a "clear set of steps" that could lead back to the negotiating table.

"The United States is very pleased that the Quartet was able to issue a statement today with a concrete and detailed proposal to begin negotiations between the Israelis and the Palestinians without delay or preconditions," Clinton said in a brief statement after Blair departed.

In an interview with the BBC, however, Blair acknowledged that the passionate divide exhibited by the Israeli and Palestinian leaders earlier in the day posed a continuing obstacle, but he argued that consensus from the international community might be enough to force the two sides together.

"When you hear speeches at the U.N. General Assembly, particularly when people have got very strong emotions attached to these speeches, it's not surprising they seem very, very far apart," Blair said.

"Although there's a lot of obviously not just sound and fury, but strong rhetoric in the General Assembly, there's also a very strong believe on the part of the international community that now is the time to get back to negotiations without preconditions," he added.

Still, it was difficult for some to see how the Quartet's statement, which was the product of at least partially failed wrangling between Americans, the British and Russians, could steer the two parties away from the antagonism they'd articulated earlier in the day.

"Since President Obama's two speeches in May, the Quartet, notably in a principals meeting in July -- and then for much of this week in New York -- has been attempting to reach language on proposed parameters for a two-state solution that would then be presented to the parties and to the world," said Daniel Levy, a former Israeli peace negotiator now with the New America Foundation, in a emailed commentary on the Quartet's statement.

"That consensus could not be reached," Levy said. "The Quartet's apparent continued faith in the idea that negotiations between the parties can be fruitful and that trust can be built seems ever-more detached from reality."

Speaking in the early afternoon, a European diplomat laid out a plan for the coming days that presented the Quartet proposal as little more than a sideshow to the Palestinians' intention to apply for U.N. statehood.

"As I see, the Quartet will put out their statement, and it will be very short, and it will simply call for a renewed negotiations," the diplomat predicted, accurately as it turned out.

"And then Mr. Abbas will be heading home -- either today or tomorrow, but very soon -- and the procedures of the Security Council will take over. It will take some time to study the application, but there's no reason to think it will be held up. And from there the process can be very quick."

Asked whether the week's wrangling had ended in a sense of disappointment or accomplishment, the diplomat replied, "Neither."

Meanwhile, even as the General Assembly prepared to wind down and international diplomats set out for area airports, American diplomats -- who have spent the better part of the last month lobbying against the Palestinian move -- were just getting started.

At 5 p.m., Nawaf Salam, the Lebanese Ambassador to the U.N. who currently holds the chair of the Security Council -- and thus the fate of the Palestinian bid -- could be seen being ushered into the American mission, across the street from U.N. headquarters.

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01:08 PM on 09/26/2011
seen the population of Israel recently?> thought not 20% Arab-including Arab sin Israeli Parliament-care to contrast and compare numbers of Jews/ Christians in Arab counties and what (lack of)rights they have?
09:49 AM on 09/26/2011
|$rae| might want to be just for Jews.

But P@|3stine was for Jews, Christians and Muslims.....

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07:23 PM on 09/26/2011
Israel has all religions with full rights as citizens. Palestinian Authority on the other hand has the death penalty for selling land to Jews and wants to expel all Jews upon becoming a country. How democratic.
03:26 AM on 09/27/2011
The last time they sold SOME land not knowing that Z|0n|$ts really intended to base their future state on their lands... Im sure after that, and the eventual decades long occupation, forceful usurpation they are a "little" wary of letting go of more land.....

They had no problem in selling lands to Jews doing so before the Z|0n|$ts showed their true intentions, and they will not again in the not so distant future :)
hfpf
Wake up World.
02:46 AM on 09/26/2011
Israel is THE JEWISH STATE.

Jordan which was carved out of Transjordan, is the Pal State. Perhaps that is why the Jordanian government is busy rescinding the Jordanian passports of the Pals that currently live in Jordan. Abdullah doesn't want the Pals, so he is making sure they don't have Jordanian citizenship.

Defending the measure, Jordanian Interior Minister Nayef al-Qadi recently said the government wants Jordanians of Palestinian origin to clarify their status by renewing permits that recognize them as West Bank citizens in order to preserve their Palestinian identity. Yeah right!!! They jsut don't want the Pals to stir up trouble in Jordan, like they have done in Israel.

Both the Palestinian leadership, whether Fatah or Hamas, and the bulk of Palestinians in general support terrorist violence against Israel and do not accept its existence.

The danger posed by establishing a Palestinian state under current conditions is clear and serious. As a recipe for peace, it would be disastrous and bring about the opposite of the desired results.

Any prospect of peace is entirely dependent upon transformation of Palestinian society and leadership over a sustained time period in which Palestinians would accept Israel’s legitimacy and permanence as a Jewish state before it could be hoped that they would co-exist peacefully alongside it.
06:10 PM on 09/26/2011
"Jordan which was carved out of Transjordan, is the Pal State."

Can you name one nation on this earth that recognizes Jordan as a 'Palestinian State'?
hfpf
Wake up World.
06:43 PM on 09/26/2011
Israel and of course Jordan, that is why they are revoking the Jordanian passports of it's Pal population.
hfpf
Wake up World.
06:51 PM on 09/26/2011
Background: Following World War I and the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, the UK received a mandate to govern much of the Middle East. Britain separated out a semi-autonomous region of Transjordan from Palestine in the early 1920s, and the area gained its independence in 1946; it adopted the name of Jordan in 1950. The country's long-time ruler was King HUSSEIN (1953-99). A pragmatic leader, he successfully navigated competing pressures from the major powers (US, USSR, and UK), various Arab states, Israel, and a large internal Palestinian population. Jordan lost the West Bank to Israel in the 1967 war and barely managed to defeat Palestinian rebels who threatened to overthrow the monarchy in 1970. King HUSSEIN in 1988 permanently relinquished Jordanian claims to the West Bank. In 1989, he reinstituted parliamentary elections and initiated a gradual political liberalization; political parties were legalized in 1992. In 1994, he signed a peace treaty with Israel.
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Aussieposter
And so it begins
06:25 PM on 09/26/2011
Have you ever wondered why Jordan is called the Hashemite Kingdom and not the Palestinian Kingdom. Arab Culture is divided up into Tribes and clans. and the Hashemites are not Palestinians.

So when you make the claim that Jordan is the Palestinian state You are in error. The Palestinians gained no benefit from the creation of Jordan as a Hashemite kingdom.In fact in your very first sentence you contradict yourself. How could Abdullah rescind Palestinian citizenship if Jordan is a Palestinian state.? Obviously some other group is in charge.
hfpf
Wake up World.
10:11 AM on 09/27/2011
In 1946, Transjordan formally became independent, and Abdullah, who the British had installed as the nation’s ruler, assumed the title of king. One of Abdullah’s goals was to create a Greater Syria. Toward that end, he annexed the area of Palestine he controlled and shortly thereafter renamed his country the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. One consequence of this action was to more than double the country’s population, which now included about 400,000 Palestinian refugees.

Abdullah was essentially a tribal ruler, having come from that tradition in Arabia, and increasingly was faced with the political complexities of ruling a nation where Palestinians made up the majority of the population and where his territorial ambitions clashed with those of Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Ironically, his relations with Israel were better than those with the other Arabs. The Israelis believed it might be possible to reach a peace agreement with Abdullah; however, those hopes were dashed when the king was assassinated on July 20, 1951, in front of a mosque on the Temple Mount by one of the Mufti of Jerusalem’s followers.

One of the few Arab leaders who was probably better off in the mid-70s than he was before this time of turmoil was King Hussein. He had beaten back the challenge of the Syrians and the PLO, managed to stay out of the war with Israel, and improved relations with just about everyone except the Palestinians.
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02:24 AM on 09/26/2011
Settlement halt is the issue. What good are the peace proposals when your occupied land is bulldozed to make room for the occupier colonies.

If someone has occupied your house, you want them out. You would not be interested in peace proposals.
03:06 AM on 09/26/2011
If someone fires thousands of rock.ets at you, you worry about your security. How many at.tacks were made on Israel from the West Bank before 1967? Now the Palestinians want it back. Israel is a bit apprehensive about giving it back, fearing (and rightfully so) that at.tacks may be made from that very area.

Abbas wants the world to recognize a Palestinian state, while at the same time refusing to recognize Israel. He made a speech and not once did he say Israel's name, although he referred to the country many times. Palestinian maps still do not show the state of Israel on them. Hamas still says, verbally and in writing, that their goal is to push Israel into the sea.

If someone at.tacks you over and over, you would not be interested in their getting a state, you would be concerned for your own safety. Israel is there, and the Palestinians need to accept it and move on. Until that happens, there will be no peace there.
01:11 PM on 09/26/2011
Well, if you are not interested in peace proposals, you have no place applying for membership in the UN. The UN was set up to prevent war and preserve PEACE. Being a Peaceful State is a requirement for membership.

*Settlement Halt* may be one party's CURRENT issue, as publicized, but that same party wants Palestinian Refugees' ROR not to Palestine, but to Israel. It would amount to a doubling of the population, and there is already a housing shortage in Israel. Housing, therefore, is needed, and to get housing, it must be built.

*Settlement Halt* may be Abbas' issue, but Israel's issue is PEACE, COEXISTENCE, and ACCEPTANCE. *Settlement Halt* is NOT Abbas' and the Muslim's only issue. ROR of Palestinians to anothers' land is another issue. And we are not falling for it! Deciding what Israel is about, what the Jewish People can and can not be about, determining what the others' country is about, is what Abbas thinks is his prerogative. He also thinks that Palestinian Refugees are not to be admitted to Palestine, nor are they going to get a passport. And who is Mr. Abbas? Did any Israeli elect him? Did any Palestinian elect him? Does Hamas agree with him?

Here is news for you, Munir Munshey, as well as for Mr. Abbas.IF and WHEN Palestinians have their own State, they get to determine what THEY and THEIR State is about, and NOT what Israel and the jewish people are about. Not then, and NOT NOW!
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It's a MAD world after all...
09:29 PM on 09/25/2011
Joshua, this is a lot of words yet I will refer you to a saying in Arabic – kalam faddie……i.e. talk is cheap…

So are all the Pals declarations and statements all over…. Show us please where and when the Pals offered a real resolution for this conflict….
Hartum ’67 three NOs are still holding, no mater what Israel did or will do, nothing is satisfactory for the Arabs and for the Jewish left till Israel is replaced by a palsetine theocracy…. And this will not happened…..
05:20 PM on 09/25/2011
i want to reply to HANK007 rants through this thread of comments:
hank and many like him claim that a "Jewish state" is a theocracy.
i I'm a Jew, and a atheist, Jews a ethnic group, not a religious group. most of the Jews in the world, and in Israel are secular.
a Jewish state is the nation state of the Jewish people.
a nation state is a state that reflects the national identity of it's people through language, culture, values and so on....
for example, in Israel, Jewish holidays are national resting days. hank See's this as if Israel is a theocracy, but on the other hand he does not criticize sweden for having a national resting day on the christian holiday of christmas....
most successful democracy's in the world are nation states, there are no good examples in the world for binational or multinational/ethnic/sect democracys.
minorities are good for democracy, and the fact that a state reflects the identity of it's majority should not in anyway harm or discriminate it's minority's.
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Are you looking at my ears?! (Mo-om!!!)
06:42 PM on 09/25/2011
Sorry, but you are wrong.

Jewish is both a religious and/or a cultural identity. It isn't ethnic because there are many Jews who aren't Semitic (such as the Beta Israel or converts to Judaism).

Being recognized as a Jewish state has implications similar to those which befell Lebanon and her political quotas down religious/ethnic lines. When the demographics changed, a political crisis was installed as minorities had a disproportionate number of seats allocated in parliament

What are the implicatio­ns when demographi­cs alter reality in Israel? Do they deport non-Jewish people? Do they forbid them from procreatin­g? Do they force them to convert? Do they prohibit them from marrying and bringing in non-Jewish spouses? We already know that he religious authority for Jewish marriages performed in Israel is the Chief Rabbinate of Israel and the Rabbinical courts and that they are conducted in accordance with the Orthodox interpretation of halakha. We also know that there is no provision for interfaith marriages, same-sex marriages or civil marriage. At the moment, people have to go abroad to get married so that their (literally and metaphorically) non-orthodox marriage be validated. And that non-Jewish citizens are systematically discriminated from land ownership, to the setup of political parties, to employment, to dating.

If Israel wanted to be a monolithic­, unchangeab­le, ethnically­/culturall­y homogeneou­s and stratified entity, it should have claimed the status of a tribe, because these characteri­stics are incompatib­le with the pluralism and changes of a nation-sta­te.
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07:47 PM on 09/25/2011
Israel is majority Jewish today. You say that Israel can not be recognized as the Jewish majority state that it is today, because conceivably one day in the future it might not be majority Jewish? If that day happens (which it won't anytime soon), the Palestinians can withdraw their recognition of Israel as a Jewish state.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
09:37 PM on 09/25/2011
piul05 - Israel is a secular democracy with a majority Jewish population, yet all other religions are free to practice their faith...(in difference to most Arab/Muslim states) all marital matters are handled by their respective religion clergy.... it is Israel’s population prerogative to determine its laws and customs, NOT you, not for your sake or the world’s sake, and if you do not like it so be it.....
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04:29 PM on 09/25/2011
Those of you who saw Bibi’s speech at the UN - that Temple of Hypocrisy and Moral Turpitude - will have noticed the polite but tepid applause from a few along with the deafening silence from oh, so many of the international delegates.

For Israel the course is clear. The Arab and Muslim world has proclaimed everlasting enmity towards the non-Muslim; those which Islam arrogantly dismisses as infidels. Thus, no Muslim state or its leader will ever recognize Israel as a Jewish state for that is to deny Islam; a word, by the way, which means submission - not to the will of the people as in a democracy - but only to the will of Allah.
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
04:16 PM on 09/25/2011
so WHO are you going to believe? Here is Robert Fisk, celebrated British journalist that HAS LIVED in the Middle East for 33 years...yep here comes the truth..hard to find these days with all of our bought representatives trying to bury it...6 videos, the first is 7 min...save them to your FAV..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9NMp_JpcFY
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
04:52 PM on 09/26/2011
muck raker -- you can hug Fisk the same way Ibn-Suad hugged Lawrence-of-Arabia and be happy.....
Why should we, the Jews, care about a double talk Arabist like him that cannot get enough of their hospitality.... He may be a wonderful person as much as you're concerned and believable, but as much as Israel and the Jews are concerned he is nothing more then a mouthpiece for his Arab masters..... including his goldwatch gift from the Saudi's king.....
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
04:08 PM on 09/25/2011
The Tears of Gaza Must Be Our Tears

By Chris Hedges

www.ustogaza.org.

I would like to remind them that it is they who hide in darkness. It is we who stand in the light. It is they who deceive. It is we who openly proclaim our compassion and demand justice for those who suffer in Gaza. We are not afraid to name our names. We are not afraid to name our beliefs. And we know something you perhaps sense with a kind of dread. As Martin Luther King said, the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice, and that arc is descending with a righteous fury that is thundering down upon the Israeli government.

You may have the bulldozers, planes and helicopters that smash houses to rubble, the commandos who descend from ropes on ships and kill unarmed civilians on the high seas as well as in Gaza, the vast power of the state behind you. We have only our hands and our hearts and our voices. But note this. Note this well. It is you who are afraid of us. We are not afraid of you.
more: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_tears_of_gaza_must_be_our_tears_20100809/
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
03:52 PM on 09/25/2011
American diplomats -- who have spent the better part of the last month lobbying against the Palestinian move -- were just getting started.

Corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I tremble for the safety of my country.

-- Abraham Lincoln
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nk5otr
07:51 PM on 09/25/2011
False quote.

See http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln.asp
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jaguarmissing
03:41 PM on 09/25/2011
Anti Israel Comments become Jewish Ju Jitzu

- AIPAC is a foreign controlled interest group
- Israel is a fascist and racist country
- Israel is a parasite on America
- Israel is an unappreciative US ally
- Israel is a colonialist power


these comments constitute a 21st century rendition of 20th century antisemitism/anti jewish sentiment, that lead to the Holocaust and the creation of the state of Israel.

while it is fair to say Israel has made mistakes in the name of defending its borders and deserves criticism for poorly executed strategies, none rise to the level of substantiating any of the above comments.

unlike any arab nation in the middle east, Israel is a nation of laws. it is a democracy that has a verifiable record of accountability and orderly transfers of power.it is a nation whose minorities benefit from equal rights, high standards of living, access to world class healthcare and direct political representation. the literacy rate in Israel exceeds 94%, many times that of any arab country.

i recognize this hatred as antisemitism. it comes regardless of religion, class or political affiliation. these historic waves of anti jewish prejudice have ironically justified a jewish homeland morally and materially. in a sense, hatred of jews is responsible for the existance and competitiveness of a jewish state.

while there is a bit of tongue in my cheek, i must say thank you and keep up the good work. it is your ignorance that keeps the eternal light from
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03:20 PM on 09/25/2011
Why A Palestinian state will Fail

dont get me wrong, politically, there is a formula that will guarantee resolution to the israeli-palestinian conflict. one which provides Palestinian statehood and autonomy over Palestinian territories as well as insures israel her security objectives.

but, despite the demands of palestinianian nationalism, the dispute with israel is not politically driven but religion based. it is islam versus judaism on the part of the palestinian decision makers. i say this because hammas believes the only good jew is a dead jew. and fatah has gone on record saying no jew will ever be permitted to reside in palestine, let alone hold public office.

therefore, one can only conclude that any movement toward a palestinian state is primarily a diplomatic strategy to rid the levant crescent of jewish inhabitation. hammas wants to accomplish this through violence. fatah is a bit more sophisticated, preferring piecemeal acquisitions limiting direct confrontation with the jewish state.

i do believe therer are palestinians that are tired of internal and external conflict. that wish to see a secular piolitical resolution leaving them in peace in their own state. but, this wont happen intil hammas and fatah are overthrown by the palestinians themselves.
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It's a MAD world after all...
05:20 PM on 09/26/2011
jaguarM -- right on, well said F&F
03:09 PM on 09/25/2011
Funny watching Blair, Hillary, Bibi and Obama scrambling to maintain the Israeli apartheid state, while pretending they still have a shred of dignity.
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jaguarmissing
03:46 PM on 09/25/2011
apartheid state? try telling that to the Israeli arabs flourishing economically, politically and educationally. name me one arab state that has a literacy rate of 94%, such as Israel. it is one thing to claim something to be true when sorrounded by ignorance. making the claim by those wanting it to be true is apparently enough for the palestinian sympathizer.
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tallen
panem et circenses
11:21 AM on 09/25/2011
Abbas is getting some unintended consequences.

Spain recognizes Israel as Jewish homeland, for first time
25.09.11
FM Jimenez's UN speech is particularly dramatic since Spain is considered a leading EU country to support Palestinian rights.

Spain’s Foreign Minister Trinidad Jimenez presented a new policy for the Palestinian-Israeli conflict on Saturday, declaring Israel as the homeland of the Jews for the first time and saying that the issue of Palestinian refugees should be solved in such a way that it does not compromise Israel’s current demographic makeup of a Jewish majority.

Jimenez’s speech before the United Nations General Assembly is particularly dramatic in light of the fact that Spain is considered the leading EU country to support Palestinian rights. Adopting such a pro-Israel stance may lead to other countries to follow suit.
...“Effective, sustainable peace can only be achieved through negotiations between the parties,”...
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/spain-recognizes-israel-as-jewish-homeland-for-first-time-1.386587?localLinksEnabled=false
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Once you go Schwartz, you never go back baby
12:17 PM on 09/25/2011
Bravo.
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tallen
panem et circenses
12:40 PM on 09/25/2011
Abbas' gambit is backfiring.
03:01 PM on 09/25/2011
So Israel gets its apartheid theocracy, and the Palestinians get realized from the camps to have their own state. Hardly a 'backfire'.
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nk5otr
07:55 PM on 09/25/2011
Apartheid is the Palestinians' current policy of the death penalty for selling land to a Jew. Theocracy is the Palestinians' moral police enforcing Muslim dress codes in Gaza.
01:34 PM on 09/26/2011
No, you have it wrong AGAIN! Abbas' Palestine will NOT ADMIT Palestinian Refugees, nor will it give them PASSPORTS! It will be an Apartheid State only for certain Arabs who call themselves Palestinians, and not all of them. It is doubtful that Palestinians who are NOT Muslim will be admitted.

Israel has no Apartheid, neither religious, nor racial. But Palestine will be expressly set up to be just that, an Apartheid State, as so many Arab Muslim nations are. While the latter nations are waking up, Abbas is putting Palestinians in a deep backward slumber.
10:53 AM on 09/25/2011
in his speech, Mahmoud Abbas mentioned 63 years of occupation and palestinian mistreatment by Israelis...
interesting. the palestinians were mistreated mostly by other Arab nations.
for more reading: the Arab apartheid - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YXt1QMxVyjbE_biHw9IAAi_SigLWLneI3QEJvQKsBQw/edit?hl=en#