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Timothy Geithner: China 'Very, Very Aggressive' In Stealing U.S. Technology

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First Posted: 09/23/11 09:49 AM ET Updated: 11/23/11 05:12 AM ET

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said on Thursday that China is holding to its decades-old strategy to steal American intellectual property, in a pointed statement reflecting U.S. officials' growing impatience with Beijing.

"They China have made possible systematic stealing of intellectual property of American companies and have not been very aggressive to put in place the basic protections for property rights that every serious economy needs over time," Geithner told a forum in Washington.

"We're seeing China continue to be very, very aggressive in a strategy they started several decades ago, which goes like this: you want to sell to our country, we want you to come produce here ... if you want to come produce here, you need to transfer your technology to us," Geithner said.

Although unusually direct, Geithner's comments echo a common refrain from U.S. officials and executives. The new U.S. Ambassador to China, Gary Locke, who has assailed China in the past for its trade practices, has put the defense of U.S. intellectual property among his chief priorities.

China has said it would drop some of its "indigenous innovation" rules that have riled foreign companies who say access to government equipment and technology orders hinge on their transferring patents and other intellectual property.

But business associations in China argue that enforcement of Beijing's promises has been spotty, particularly at the local government level, hampering foreign companies' access to a market estimated to be worth as much as $1 trillion a year.

In an offshoot of Washington's dissatisfaction with Beijing's trade policies, leaders in Washington have long argued that China's yuan currency is undervalued, giving Chinese companies a price advantage that costs U.S. jobs.

But the foreign business community in China -- concerned about what they see as China becoming more closed toward foreign investors in recent years -- has argued that the emphasis on yuan revaluation distracts from the most serious issues threatening U.S. business interests.

A coalition of 51 U.S. business groups sent a letter dated Wednesday to senators considering a currency bill, urging them to focus more on China's inadequate protection of intellectual property and restrictions on market access.

"... unilateral legislation on this issue would be counterproductive not only to the goals related to China's exchange rate that we all share, but also to our nation's broader objectives of addressing the many and growing challenges that we face in China," the groups said.

Piracy and counterfeiting of U.S. software and a wide range of other intellectual property in China cost U.S. businesses alone an estimated $48 billion and 2.1 million jobs in 2009, the U.S. International Trade Commission has said.

The United States' trade deficit with China hit a record $273 billion in 2010 and could top that this year.

In May, China was listed for the seventh year by the U.S. Trade Representative's office as a country with one of the worst records for preventing copyright theft.

(Reporting by Rachelle Younglai; Writing by Michael Martina in Beijing; Editing by Don Durfee)

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10:33 AM on 09/28/2011
A note to my naive American friends:

There's no way to "move jobs back to America" without your corporations being crushed by foreign competitors willing to get the job done in China for less. The fact that so many of you believe this will actually work speaks volumes about the average American's understanding of finance.
02:53 PM on 10/17/2011
A note to my thieving Chinese friends.
The days of China stealing American intellectual property and technology are coming to an end.
There is a name for people like you – parasite. Only the power of cognitive dissonance could allow your extreem arrognace in the face your parasitism.
10:30 AM on 09/28/2011
The Chinese government has every right to demand intellectual property in exchange for doing business in China. Just as foreign companies have every right not to do business here if they don't like it.

What's that? China's too big a market to miss out on?
Well, looks like having a huge population does matter.
10:29 AM on 09/28/2011
Technology can't be hidden for long. In the past it was the world that copied China's innovations, so China is just doing catchup now.
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timbeaux
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01:32 AM on 09/28/2011
They don't steal it. We hand it to them. You want to make high-tech products in China, you're going to have to build plants, train workers, buy materials. Makes it impossible to keep secrets. In fact, the Chinese insist that companies that build products there formally make their innovations available to Chinese scrutiny.

So Apple (that great American company) builds in China, and bang, there's fake Apple merchandise all over the country. If they built here, it wouldn't happen, but you know what? They CAN'T build here. They can't afford to, and the environmental regulations make almost any kind of real high-tech manufacture impossible.

We dug this hole for ourselves.
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TheSarge
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11:12 PM on 09/27/2011
Perhaps we could follow the Chinese military example and keep our secrets secure.
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Charles Queen
I am a disabled nam vet
09:33 PM on 09/26/2011
Of course they are and so is Iran etc and the list go's on and on.We need to make then understand no matter how much they may not like it that we know that they have been hacking into our coumputers,especialy those at the defenced detpartment and that we will no longer tolerate anymore of it.We want them on our side but they also want us on their side.We have been way to leniant for way to long with china epecialy about all things pertaining to hacking into our systems and them trying to play the dumb act.It's time we took a tougher stance with china,A good start would be in the buisnes sector and then go from there.Perhaps we need to start doing some hacking of our own into their systems and see how they like it
03:20 PM on 09/26/2011
Here's what is happening.
-Company is doing fine.
-They want more money, so they start making products in China
-China sees these products do so well, that some people in China make imitations of it.
-US tells China to spend their money and time to stop these imitation companies.
-China says they have better things to be doing (which they actually do), but will stop it if they come across it.
-Business from US continue going to China. Same thing happens to each business.

China has done nothing wrong. The business has done nothing wrong. The US government has done nothing wrong.

Solutions:
Pay China back for the debt we owe them.
Don't move your business to China.
Deal with the people buying imitation products.

Not Solution:
Everything anyone in the US government is suggesting.
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02:06 PM on 09/26/2011
More accurate title:
"U.S. corporate CEOs very, very aggressive in selling U.S. technology to China"
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TabaskoKat
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01:27 PM on 09/26/2011
of cource china is stealing proprietary info. why wouldnt they?

everyone laughs at the chinesse. but the chinesse laugh right back. they have become the worlds factory. corps looking for cheap labor costs and little to no enviromental or labor protections. thats genius, no wonder ceo's pay themselves huge sums of money, only a monkey couldnt see the huge profits in that.

all the while china steals tech advances. the state wins huge on import/export business, corps win huge with cheap labor. but since they (corps) seem only to be able to see as far into the future as the next quarter, it probably never occured to them that they might be a little to free with thier tech.

its no wonder china's military was able to jump two generations in a decade. US corps think its an excellent idea to build our new tech advanced weapons systems in cheap labor cost china. these same morons seem to have forgotten that the chinesse mastered reverse engineering. they dont care if they get the final assembly instructions, they can figure that out. whats valuable is the optics, weapons systems, engine tech. stealth tech.

china would be stupid to not take a fools gold, and we insist on being fools
10:27 AM on 09/26/2011
So why were US companies stupid enough to setup shop there?
09:48 AM on 09/26/2011
So is greater Israel
02:19 AM on 09/26/2011
I bought a can opener 10 years from a company named good grips.It was a nice stainless item with good handles.Made in the USA. Just bought a new one. A piece of garbage. No nice stainless here and the handle keeps coming off. A real piece of junk made in China.Shower caps garbage made in China. Clothing that smells so bad you have to wash before you wear it. Made in China.Shoes that fall apart in about three months. Made in ChinaBedding is the same you better wash it before you sleep on those sheets. They are the top of the line at Macys, stink so bad you have to wash them before use. You could buy a new set of sheets made in USA and put them on your bed , but not now. Those comfortors made of down and were talking expensive ones better have them professionally cleaned befory you use them, the ones from China that is heaven only knows what is in them.I could go on forever but I will stop now.
11:09 AM on 09/27/2011
People here can't afford American made products. Besides the stuff made here in America is mostly junk. See GM products. I didn't even get a light in the glove box. What is up with that?
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Phil Waste
Angry Middle Class American Citizen
07:36 PM on 09/25/2011
Label it what it is. It is Communist China, Communist China.... You buy a product from China you are buying it from Communist China. Don't shop at the Communist Chinese outlet store, Wal-Mart.
07:20 PM on 09/25/2011
What does this have to do with Chinese stealing IP? Well even without debating the merits of that assertion, you ought to look at the consequences of the actions. Not having to pay for IP typically means LOWER CONSUMER PRICES - and that benefits the largest number of citizens, the consumers. Financial derivatives, in contrast, benefit only a very select crowd of mayhap 0.0001% of the population; AND screws up the lives of the rest.

But when you are, like Geithner is, benefiting from the theft, I'll bet you would act like he did here also.
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laura r
07:57 PM on 09/25/2011
He is not talking about IP. Here's talking about cyber security.

I live in Silicon Valley and work in High Tech. There Is a Cyber-Security conference every year in Las Vegas Called Black Hat. Here are some of the results from the top security researcher at the conference this year.

Dell SecureWorks senior researcher Joe Stewart presented results of his analysis of nearly 1,000 corrupted servers. Stewart isolated 18 servers actively being used to relay information to and from infiltrated PCs inside company networks to command servers in two regions of China.
McAfee has been aware of Shady Rat's activities since 2009. Then, last March, Dmitri Alperovitch, McAfee's vice president of threat research, located a server storing a list of successfully infiltrated organizations.

Stewart's research zoomed in on two hacking groups going after intellectual property. "The final destination for all the activity we're seeing is a couple of hubs in China," says Stewart. "It tells us that somebody has invested specific resources to control this operation." “This is just the tip of the iceberg
07:20 PM on 09/25/2011
HOW does this alleged stealing compare in scope and pervasiveness to financial derivatives?

If you look at the past 20 years, American financials (not only hedge fund entities, but also the major banks) had a history of making hundreds of billions on derivatives at the expense of foreign entities. They are just too good to be legit - because derivatives were and are a fraud visited upon the world. It is gambling, and worse yet, rigged gambling. And Geithner is one off the world's foremost expert in derivatives.

But when the rigged game went awry in 2008, and big player "counterparties" threaten to keel over (in Lehman Bros' case, it did keel over) and drag the world economy down with it, Paulson, and then Geithner, took public money and doubled down - forking over $3 Trillion in money that Americans do not have. That $3 Trillion is, objectively, probably MORE THAN the sum total of government subsidies by all nations for all industries since the end of WW II.

So how much more rigged can it get? WHO in the world can compete with an unlimited money printing press + a rigged game?

What does this have to do with Chinese stealing IP?