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Florida Republicans Express Concern, Anger About Rick Perry's 2012 Candidacy

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First Posted: 09/24/11 11:48 AM ET Updated: 11/24/11 05:12 AM ET

ORLANDO - Ken Johnson came here to see Texas Gov. Rick Perry speak to Republican activists Saturday morning for one reason.

"It's a free breakfast," said Johnson, a 63-year old general contractor, as he ate scrambled eggs and sausage paid for by Perry's presidential campaign.

Johnson, who is on the Hillsborough Republican Party Executive Committee, said with conviction that he will never support Perry for one reason.

"I like a lot of what Rick Perry's positions are on many issues. Immigration is very high on my list, and I refuse to support Rick Perry because of his position on that issue," Johnson told The Huffington Post.

"I'm mad at Rick Perry right now for his refusal to see the light," he said.

April Schiff, a political consultant from Tampa who is also on the Hillsborough County Republican executive committee, was more analytical than Johnson, but was just as adamant that Perry's stanch refusal in a debate Thursday night to back down from his positions on illegal immigration had "lost [him] a lot of support."

Perry was, in her mind, no longer the Republican front-runner for the presidential nomination.

"Whether they can bring him back or not I don't know," Schiff said of Perry's campaign.

Perry spoke only briefly to the crowd of at least 1,000 after mingling with activists and voters for the better part of an hour. His 9-minute speech was a defense of his lackluster debate performance. Though he did not mention Mitt Romney's name, he attempted to persuade voters that just because the former Massachusetts governor has outclassed him at each of the last three debates doesn't mean Romney should be the nominee.

"You've seen what happens when our country chooses a leader who emphasizes words over deeds. We get a president like we have today," Perry said. "Americans don't need more slick promises. We need a principled leader who will stand on his conservative values."

However, the fact that Perry was spending time and energy acknowledging that he has faltered in the debates is a sign of the extent to which he is struggling.

Perry spent most of his speech criticizing President Obama, blaming him for the economy's travails and for continued high unemployment.

"One in six work-eligible Americans can't find a job. That is not an economic recovery, Mr. President. That is a disaster," Perry said.

He placed a lot of emphasis on the straw poll to be held later in the day, telling the crowd that he was thinking back to 2000, when he was lieutenant governor and his becoming governor depended on whether George W. Bush won in Florida and became president.

"And here we are 11 years later and I've got all my hopes on Florida again," he said, adding that candidates like Romney who were skipping the straw poll were making a "big mistake."

The audience responded warmly but was measured in its enthusiasm. There was a core of Perry supporters toward the front of the room that clearly is with him no matter what. Even among that group, however, there were signs that Perry's stumbles have unnerved them.

"I was concerned after the debate," said Debra Vinig, 57, a member of the Duval County GOP executive committee who's also a member of the First Coast Tea Party in Jacksonville. "But I've heard him speak twice since then, and I'm back on board."

Vinig's husband, Steve, said he had in fact been inclined to support Romney before this weekend but was now with Perry. Yet still, Debra Vinig said she she was only "leaning" toward Perry.

"Leaning" has been the operative word over the last few days for most Republican activists as they've described their view of the GOP primary. Certainly Romney does not spark excitement among the most conservative elements of the party. But concerns about Perry's candidacy have grown over the last few days, sparked in large part by Perry's debate performance. He doubled down on his position that children of illegal immigrants should receive in-state tuition in Texas, gave an incoherent answer on foreign policy for the second time in two debates, and stumbled badly over his words as he attempted to criticize Romney for flip-flopping.

Johnson, asked about Perry's comment that those who disagree with him on the immigration issue "don't have a heart," responded icily: "We don't need more arrogance from Texas."

His stance on immigration is just one of the issues hurting Perry; he is also getting hit by concerns over cronyism in Texas and by Romney's attacks on his Social Security comments.

Perry advisers tried to ignore questions about their candidate's troubles. When asked if the crowd in the ball room at an early hour was a sign that maybe talk of Perry's travails is overblown, his top strategist Dave Carney simply shook his head and walked away from reporters.

But it's clear that the main question about Perry now -- at the six-week mark of his campaign -- is whether he can survive the damage he has, in large part, inflicted on himself with a series of unforced errors.

"I came to this event leaning toward Mr. Perry. ... Now I don't have a leaning anymore," said Stepan Kira, a 63-year-old retired computer IT consultant from St. Augustine.

Bill Barnett, a 63-year-old retired aerospace engineer from Orlando, said he has found Perry's comments on Social Security "refreshing," because he agrees that the program needs to be reformed. But Barnett expressed concern that Perry may not be the Republican to run against Obama.

"We've got to make sure we don't pick a candidate that can't get the independents," Barnett said. "I'm ok with Rick Perry but I'm not the typical voter. I'm a pretty far right, Tea Party kind of guy. I'm not the guy I'm worried about."

"I do have a little worry -- not personally because I share his values and views -- but I do worry that some of his social values might be so far to the right that we lose that vote in the middle."

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ORLANDO - Ken Johnson came here to see Texas Gov. Rick Perry speak to Republican activists Saturday morning for one reason. "It's a free breakfast," said Johnson, a 63-year old general contractor, ...
ORLANDO - Ken Johnson came here to see Texas Gov. Rick Perry speak to Republican activists Saturday morning for one reason. "It's a free breakfast," said Johnson, a 63-year old general contractor, ...
 
 
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ghee99 07:53 PM on 09/24/2011
well, once perry, clearly and publicly, expressed his  commitment to refusing to enforce our nation's immigration laws

and, in the same statement, said he was in favor of giving preferential treatment to adult illegal aliens, over (and at the expense of) legal americans,

he pretty much lost the support of most reasonable americans

...and i would add, rightly so.

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garboop2
05:00 PM on 09/26/2011
This frightening sack of whatever, Rick Perry cannot possibly get into the White House with his winning (I'm speaking faseciosly) and cocky attitude. He's not the "normal" Christian that not most would be concerned about. He is one of the new "Apocalistic Christians" who believes that TX is the promise land, and that the media, and government play a key role in changing the way America and the world thinks. His backers have are "extremest Christian mininisters" who've given him a great amount of support; as they believe that if he makes it to office; he will be able to control media, and bring in more "extremest" Christians. He's a nut case.
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Sisa
02:59 PM on 09/26/2011
Wing nut.
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collinsdll1
Proud Texan
12:52 PM on 09/26/2011
I don't understand Perry, when he says 'he' created all these jobs here in Texas.
Where are they? There is business's going out daily, mainly the Mom & Pops.
Every corner has beggers standing on it. The shelters are full of women, and little
children. The foodbanks are struggling. The only reason Perry has been office so
long is people don't go out to vote in the Governors races. Thats a shame for Texas.
His own hometown does not support him, most Texans don't either, including
myself. This man has a oversized ego, and an Idiot to boot!
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Pennsanic
Be nice to the US or we'll bring you democracy too
08:10 AM on 09/29/2011
And the funny part is that most of the jobs he "created" are gubmint jobs!
11:26 AM on 09/26/2011
Florida better wake up if they think herman cain is the one.. i dont think so..perry is out.
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garboop2
05:07 PM on 09/26/2011
If you want an "extremest new apocalist Christian," who's goal according to their creed is to control the media, and make people understand that TX is that 'promise land,' and Perry's Lt. Govorner was the person who pretty much took care of everything; and I do mean all of it in TX. Perry was only there for show. I have relatives living in TX, devout republicans, and they hate Perry with a purple passion.
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dfranz
With Liberty and Justice for all
11:22 AM on 09/26/2011
The inability to admit to anything seems to be a common trait with Texas politicians. Ironically, what ever humanitarian vestiges Perry has in him will make him unelectable in the Republican primary. Everything else about him, makes him unelectable in the national election.
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Jerry Vasquez
A Unapologetic liberal
10:51 AM on 09/26/2011
Of course he fails to see the light, they all fail to see the light. That party, the one that
has so many names, you need a program to help identify the players, would love nothing
better than to roll us back into the dark ages. To a time when blacks were slaves, women were
property and couldn't vote and the rich ran everything.
01:12 PM on 09/26/2011
The truth, and nothing but the truth!!! F&F
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GayGrandpa
02:06 PM on 09/28/2011
And the only gays left will be the married hypocrites in Congress.
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November2008
I continue to support this President, BHO
10:48 AM on 09/26/2011
PERRY REMINDS ME OF GEORGE W BUSH - HIS ANTICS.
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07:55 AM on 09/26/2011
Perry had better start boot stepping in perfect time with the rest of the Tea Party dictators, PRONTO, or else!
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Lahonda
Bynocent Instander
11:00 PM on 09/25/2011
Amaerica's goin' to hell in a Nantucket.
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DeTex
Howze yer Mommer an nem?
09:00 PM on 09/25/2011
It's been said for years that there's no such thing as a free lunch, but Ken Johnson of Rock Ridge has found himself a free breakfast.

I'm certain that Gubernor Perry was honored by the attendence of the Vinigs, the Duke and Duchess of Duval County.
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brayhaven
09:22 PM on 09/25/2011
At least they know the king.. in the white house.. has no clothes
08:15 AM on 09/26/2011
The choice will be no cloths or no brains
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Jerry Vasquez
A Unapologetic liberal
10:55 AM on 09/26/2011
At least they know? That is all they know.
07:43 PM on 09/25/2011
As a long time republican I am frankly underwhelmed by our party's candidates.
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Oonagh
Old sins have long shadows
08:48 PM on 09/25/2011
True... there is not a candidate in the bunch..
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brayhaven
09:23 PM on 09/25/2011
As a former long time Democrat, I think the repubs have some excellent candidates.. Any one of which would be far preferable to the current organizer in chief..
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middleCmusic
10:50 PM on 09/25/2011
God knows why you were ever a democrat if you're dumb enough to think the Republicans are good candidates.

Maybe you were raised a democrat and had a "revelation"? Just rebelling perhaps.?
10:48 AM on 09/26/2011
Even long time republicans aren't calling any of their current candidates "excellent". Seriously, the mess GW put us in, Obama couldn't get us out of it even if the republicans weren't so hell bent on opposing his every move.
The reason Obama can't get any changes through is because the republicans want to fight him every inch of the way even if it means damn the country.
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Zutroy
03:23 PM on 09/25/2011
""It's a free breakfast," said Johnson, a 63-year old general contractor, as he ate scrambled eggs and sausage paid for by Perry's presidential campaign."

These exact same mouth-breathers want to gut social programs. Unbelievable. You can't make this up.
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Oonagh
Old sins have long shadows
08:41 PM on 09/25/2011
amazingly they don't even see their own stooooopidity.
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M Paquette
05:40 PM on 09/27/2011
And that's the dilemma that the republican party is in and has dragged the rest if the country in. A base that they could count on in the voting volume with some nods to basic conservative values has become so virulent and opposed to any forms of compromise it puts party leadership in a bind. They can't satisfy their demands and at the same time give any progress to show for their efforts.

And this dysfunctional state of the party prevents any true bipartisanship from being possible. No compromise, no deals, nothing get's done.

I wonder how long this nation can ride this political war out before things get more disastrous.
03:13 PM on 09/25/2011
We don't fear that Clown from Texas. Just another swaggering, overblown, mental midget a la 'little george' If you want to elect that ilk, you deserve what you get, and what you got with georgie.
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brayhaven
09:24 PM on 09/25/2011
Just look what we got with :"change" we can step in.. Anything at all would be a huge improvement..
CognitoErgoSum
CogitoErgoSum was taken when I signed up.
09:58 PM on 09/25/2011
The "'change' we can step in" comes from the Tea Party gains in Congress in 2010. Get rid of them and the country can get back on track
01:23 PM on 09/26/2011
Are you really that stupid to believe "Anything at all would be a huge improvement?" Really???
02:23 PM on 09/25/2011
Even the media is trying to get in on the action and "pick" the best candidate. Herman Cain wins a straw poll by a huge margin and the big story is not about this upset but about the perceived media frontrunners, Romeny and Perry. Cain is getting support from the people but that support will probably wane if the media continues to snow us with articles like this that downplay him. Are we going to choose who we want for President or should we just let a few journalists decide for us?
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brayhaven
09:25 PM on 09/25/2011
The media is terrified that the repubs picked a black man in the straw poll..
10:00 PM on 09/25/2011
Why are many people so surprised that the Florida Straw Poll went to Cain? No surprise here..
02:05 PM on 09/25/2011
Repubs are getting a wake up call that all those low grades in college were not due to lack of work - the guy is just plain stupid. You want that in your President? Perry has already reached his level of incompetence.
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snide7242ca
OBAMA 2012 Liberal Progressive Senior
06:55 PM on 09/25/2011
CAskeptic

Do you remember seeing GWB's college grades? I sure don't but something tells me they were either very low or were bought by his daddy.
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Zutroy
08:49 PM on 09/25/2011
You don't purchase grades at Yale. I'm normally as far left as they come concerning anger at Bush, but suggesting grades were bought at Yale is idiotic. Buying one's way in is one thing, but buying passing grades in classes is another thing--and insinuating that an Ivy League school would sell grades out of contempt for someone who happened to go there is ridiculous.
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brayhaven
09:27 PM on 09/25/2011
It would be interesting to compare obama's grades, but they seem to be "sealed"